I’ve been told that my horse may never be rid of these ulcers so it will be a management issue. I would like to hear from those of you in the same situation. How do you manage your horse? This is a dressage horse that has hay almost 24/7 (full hay bag in stall). What meds, holistic and otherwise? Routines for riding, lessoning and showing. Horse lives at home.
Why did the vet think you may never be able to heal them?
Hi OP - I saw your request to drop in here; I did have my question ^ above before I went into my schpiel 
My mare’s did heal, as you see in the “after” scope images. www.photobucket.com/ulcers (in case anybody else wants to see).
However, she always had recurring symptoms, only in the winter. I have a very long thread on here somewhere titled “I’m at my wits end with my horse and her ulcers” or something like that.
Here is how she was managed:
Retired
Pasture 24/7 in the summer (many acres of turnout)
Hay available 24/7 in the winter (literally available all.the.time. NEVER without)
No grain (she was an easy keeper, all she got was a ration balancer)
Option to go in during the winter (she HATED being stalled so I accommodated her to remove that stress - she essentially had a run-in situation which she loved and would actually spend quite a bit of time inside on her own)
However, EVERY winter, around December/January, her symptoms would return, and she’d go off feed and water.
UGH. So we racked our brains trying to figure out WHAT about WINTER would cause the return of the ulcers when in the summer, she was symptom free.
The only thing we can think of, was chronic pain elsewhere. She was 23 and had pretty uncomfortable hock and knee arthritis. Chronic pain can cause ulcers. I tried the Pentosan route (injecting the joint was not an affordable option for me, I had tried that with her while I was still using her for trail riding, and the injections only lasted 3 months so recurring joint injections were cost prohibitive). Pentosan made no different at all for her. I couldn’t use Previcox because it upset her tummy. :o
For any horse with ulcers, my steps/management would be:
Forage, forage, forage available (use small hole nets if necessary)
Low starch feed if hard concentrates are needed
and a big one for me: use PREVENTATIVES during ANY time of stress.
Not all horses show stress the same, my mare never blinked an eye about going on the trailer. But, if I didn’t use something (ranitidine or UlcerGard) she was off feed the evening or morning after trailering)
Many people feed OTC supplements (SmartGut, UGard powder, etc) but none of those helped with her at all.
I relied on ranitidine to get her symptoms back under control when they flared up. Within a few days, they were disappearing and she’d be back on feed. But then I had to feed it for the rest of the winter.
I made the decision to have her put down in October, when she went off feed (much earlier than every other winter; it was the hardest decision I’ve ever made, but I feel relieved that she’s not enduring this winter…it was 0* here last night…)
That being said: I still have two horses, and they are managed like I outlined above. And never does one step foot on a trailer without a day or two of ranitidine ahead of time.
Thanks so much Sucker. I am still hopeful we can heal this. I know that it will be a management issue for the rest of her life.
I am new to the Ulcer scene (last 2 days). My horses love oat hay, the horse coming has been treated for the ulcers. Can she eat the oat hay or do I need to feed alfalfa mix?
All right, here’s my ulcer bit.
If you need to feed grain, feed an extruded. Extruded grains are easier to digest as they are partially predigested before the horse even begins to eat.
Hay all the time. Due to the fact that you’re dealing with ulcers in the glandular lining (if I’m reading that right), I’d say to just provide a good quality hay. My recommendations are usually a Timothy, Timothy/Alfalfa, Timothy/Orchard, Alfalfa/Orchard, or Alfalfa.
I generally to feed forage with my grain, either with a hay cube/pellet or a beet pulp. I like to think of it as providing something for the stomach to eat besides itself, especially since the grain I choose to feed is highly digestible and is lower in fiber (my goal is to always make her nutritional additions easy to digest, but to always provide fiber as well for total gut health… plus beet pulp is good for colon health).
I assume you’ll be treating with sucralfate?
I have a boarder’s horse who seems to be in the same situation. I treated her for ulcers November 2013 based on symptoms–she became a different horse (not spooky, not skinny, good appetite). Over the 4th of July (noise, stress, and possibly in pain from stifles needing to be injected) she relapsed. Original symptoms back. Owner decided to have her scoped–yes ulcers. 30 days treatment and rescoped clear. We weaned her off omeprazole over the period of a month. She was still tense and spooky.She stopped eating again in October. We put her on a maintenance dose of omeprazole and she has been maintaining. Owner is trying a natural product called Starting Gate Grannules and i am weaning her off the omeprazole again. We just track her by symptoms and demeanor. She stall walks, fence walks and braces through her body when she is under stress. She is on grass 24/7 with hay and a balancer pellet and chaff haye. Has a private run-in next to stalled horses. Personally, I have gained a lot of information not found elsewhere from a Chiro Vet who has put together a pdf that is available for purchase on line. http://wheredoesmyhorsehurt.com/horses-with-ulcers.html Lots of natural suggestions. I use her suggestions on my own horses. I was reluctant to spend the $60 at first, but I am glad I did. I don’t agree with everything she says, but when you have a horse that seems to have chronic ulcers, i think she is helpful.
My gelding was diagnosed with chronic hindgut ulcers over 10 years ago, on top of a 5 to 6 times per year colic issue. It was very tough on JJ and I. Out of necessity I delved deep into equine GI research. I was never able to help JJ out to a satisfactory level with conventional treatments. Fast forward a year and I created Jeremiah’s Ulcer Repulser (later to be called JUR Equine as I expanded offered products). Jeremiah’s Ulcer Repulser has been a godsend for me, JJ has not had an ulcer or a colic in 10+ years. So now I can pay my own mortgage rather than my vets :). After such a successful turnaround, I thought there must be others in the same boat. Fast forward to present time and we have many happy horses on “JUR”, and always looking to help more out. I really hate “pitching” JUR in forums, but as a guy who had a sick horse, it’s a great venue to commiserate and look for alternatives. “JUR” is entirely natural and consists of 6 simple ingredients which begin working immediately to help your horse, as well as your wallet as this is the most cost effective solution to many GI issues, not just uclers. I will keep this part brief, but feel free to ask for more info, I just don’t want to detract from any suggestions others may have. Slippery Elm Bark, Fenugreek, Marshmallow root powder are the first three ingredients, which are all demulcents. Upon ingestion those demulcents create a mucilaginous gel from “stem to stern”, coating the entire GI tract including the hindgut. As those are all botanically based, the gel is digested in 24-36 hours by your horse as a low glycemic food. The remaining ingredients are L-glutamine which helps to soothe the equine gut, carrot powder which not only tastes good but it is an excess acid neutralizer, and probios. If your horse uses Ulcer Repulser, you will no longer need a probiotic regimen as the necessary amounts to assist/start a healthy colony are already present. And that’s it. It’s cheap and effective, ships free from my manufacturing facility in MA. 1 year of using JUR is less than one colic call to the vet. I’ll end here, but best of luck with whatever helps out! If I can answer anything just let me know! www.jurequine.com
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My gelding was diagnosed with chronic hindgut ulcers over 10 years ago, on top of a 5 to 6 times per year colic issue. It was very tough on JJ and I. Out of necessity I delved deep into equine GI research. I was never able to help JJ out to a satisfactory level with conventional treatments. Fast forward a year and I created Jeremiah’s Ulcer Repulser (later to be called JUR Equine as I expanded offered products). Jeremiah’s Ulcer Repulser has been a godsend for me, JJ has not had an ulcer or a colic in 10+ years. So now I can pay my own mortgage rather than my vets :). After such a successful turnaround, I thought there must be others in the same boat. Fast forward to present time and we have many happy horses on “JUR”, and always looking to help more out. I really hate “pitching” JUR in forums, but as a guy who had a sick horse, it’s a great venue to commiserate and look for alternatives. “JUR” is entirely natural and consists of 6 simple ingredients which begin working immediately to help your horse, as well as your wallet as this is the most cost effective solution to many GI issues, not just uclers. I will keep this part brief, but feel free to ask for more info, I just don’t want to detract from any suggestions others may have. Slippery Elm Bark, Fenugreek, Marshmallow root powder are the first three ingredients, which are all demulcents. Upon ingestion those demulcents create a mucilaginous gel from “stem to stern”, coating the entire GI tract including the hindgut. As those are all botanically based, the gel is digested in 24-36 hours by your horse as a low glycemic food. The remaining ingredients are L-glutamine which helps to soothe the equine gut, carrot powder which not only tastes good but it is an excess acid neutralizer, and probios. If your horse uses Ulcer Repulser, you will no longer need a probiotic regimen as the necessary amounts to assist/start a healthy colony are already present. And that’s it. It’s cheap and effective, ships free from my manufacturing facility in MA. 1 year of treatment with JUR is less than one colic call to the vet. I’ll end here, but best of luck with whatever helps out! If I can answer anything just let me know! www.jurequine.com[/QUOTE]
Have you received your warning letter from the FDA yet?
I don’t think the original poster would wish for a continued discussion on that front while they are trying to get their horse some help (i’m also not quite sure why you asked that). But if you’d like i’m happy to entertain any questions/concerns elsewhere. Thank you for the concern though!
JUR, You have piqued my interest. I think Sucker was just trying to be humorous in light of the FDA crackdown on non-approved omeprazole sales.Sucker has lots of good information and I thank her/him.
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JUR, You have piqued my interest. I think Sucker was just trying to be humorous in light of the FDA crackdown on non-approved omeprazole sales.Sucker has lots of good information and I thank her/him.[/QUOTE]
:yes:
I understand :).
Shenandoah, i’m happy to explain JUR at length with you for as long as needed. To start, i’ll go into a little bit more detail on it and ulcers in general.
If we all gathered our general knowledge and the knowledge of our vets and existing products which help treat/prevent ulcers, the consensus would be that excess acid in the equine GI system is to blame. Therefor we must find way’s to reduce the amount of acid being introduced into the equine gut. Enter conventional means, which would include proton pump inhibitors, omeprazol, calcium, sodium bicarbonate, etc… All of these are designed as acid suppressants or in the case of the proton pump inhibitors, the reduction in acid production. That should take care of the issue, right?
Not really, and not well, and here is why.
First off, acid is not the enemy. Horses are meant to graze, all day, every day. When the horse has a full belly, the amount of acid produced is appropriate and does what it is meant to. Going further, acid is integral in the prevention of pathogen/bacterial/fungal transfer to the horses inner systems during periods of ingestion. Looking at how our horses live today, many have feed times both AM and PM. On this feeding schedule, the horse does not have anything in its belly in between feedings. That is when acid can become problematic. That is why conventional treatments seek to reduce acid. But as you read, acid is necessary in keeping our horses happy and healthy.
So what do we do with this conundrum?
I use JUR… The purpose of JUR, is to create a mucilaginous gel of botanical origin which coats the entire GI system including the hindgut. JUR is a top dressing, which is mixed (preferably moistened) into the PM feed (for severe issues I recommend using twice daily for the first 7-10 days). JUR begins working immediately. That gel continues through the GI system with the food it was dressed with. Everywhere food goes, so too does JUR. The gel that forms is full coverage, and helps to soothe as well as protect the equine gut including any/all ulcers. With these ulcers protected and soothed, JUR allows the horses natural body systems to begin the healing process, without affecting body chemistry in the slightest, and without allowing the re-aggravation of aforementioned ulcers.
Ingredients:
Slippery elm - demuclent
Fenugreek - demuclent, also a taste horses love (not in pregnant mare formula, see website)
Marshmallow root powder - demuclent
L-glutamine - Gut soothing amino acid, helps reduce pain
Carrot powder - tastes good and reduced excess acid
probios - is probios.
I have used JUR every day for over 10 years. JJ has never had an ulcer or a colic during that time period. That was proof enough for me to continue research and start providing the same help to others.
I can talk all day about ulcers and about JUR. Please let me know if you’d like any more specifics or have any questions.
This is a testimonial received not long ago:
“I know that Jeremiah’s Ulcer Repulser made all the difference. Her bucket gets licked clean every time and she carries on like a fool until her food is in front of her.”?
I just wanted to say thanks for a great product. I have a TB mare that has been on Jeremiah’s Ulcer Repulser and for almost a month now and is doing soooooo much better. I recently moved her to a new barn (in the middle of the show season) and had on my hands a fire breathing DRAGON!!! She had become a dangerous horse in obvious distress.
This mare is a rock star in the jumper ring and was a superstar all summer long. She is the type that is always ‘right there’, will try her guts out for me and is honest as the day is long. We went to an event (shortly after moving) and when she refused in stadium I had no idea what to do. She never quits, ever. She is the type that ‘locks on’ and will jump so hold on.
We initially thought that she had Lyme Disease again as that was the last time that she refused a fence (3 years prior). Doxy was started, for the Lyme Disease and that was the start of the ‘evolving dragon’. Within a week she was tearing her stall down board by board, kicking, not eating and hating life. She has always been a bad eater but I just thought that was just her. When her Lyme titer came back as minimal…I was shocked but because she was ‘symptomatic’ the decision to treat her was based on the clinical symptoms and not the titer.
The Doxy killed her belly, her symptoms were not improving and she was becoming dangerous. I could not turn her out…come hell or high water she was getting out of the round pen…complete panic. This mare was so beside herself that she was covered in white sweat within 10 minutes after being turned out. This was the breaking point, the proverbial ‘straw that broke the camels back’. I started researching alternative ways to treat for ulcers as the typical ones were not working.
I stopped the Doxy for the Lyme Disease because of the worsening symptoms not the improvement that one would suspect. Indie, having been treated for Lyme should have been improving, not worsening. It is well known that the Doxy is irritating to the horse’s stomach, but when treating Lyme Disease a needed medicine.
I started on a quest to find a better way to treat her for ulcers, figuring that this was the problem. She has not been scoped in the past due to finances, the same reason for her not being on the UlcerGard. She was on Ranitidine throughout this entire ordeal, but that was just not enough. She used to eat a TON of grain to keep O.K. weight but never was a great eater. Not to mention that she would never eat supplements, ever!!! She was always convinced that her food was poisoned.
I found Jeremiah’s Ulcer Repulser while doing more research on equine ulcers and decided to give it a try. The difference is like night and day.
Indie now eats 1 coffee can of grain 3 times daily, Jeremiah’s Ulcer Repulser (AM and PM), Starting Gate Granules (AM and PM) and scoop of alfalfa cubes (1.5 quarts) three times a day. She gets this wet to make a nice moist mash and to prevent any choking episodes from the alfalfa cubes. The results are unreal. Indie eats all of her food, loves the taste of Jeremiah’s Ulcer Repulser and looks like a million bucks. When I told the staff at the barn that this was her new feeding regiment they thought that I was crazy. Indie has always been ‘hot’ and they thought that this would put her over the edge…well she was already there and then some.
I know that Jeremiah’s Ulcer Repulser made all the difference. Her bucket gets licked clean every time and she carries on like a fool until her food is in front of her. Indies ’ appetite is so good now that she looks like she may ‘drop a foal’. We laugh at the fact that she may need to be cut back on food, I never thought that would be a problem for this mare. She always has hay in front of her and gets alfalfa cubes before she is ridden and to protect her stomach, but Jeremiah’s Ulcer Repulser sealed the deal. She now goes out for 5-6 hours daily in a ‘big girl paddock’ and acts like a normal content horse. She is now back in full work and is once again a ROCK STAR. The spookiness that I thought was her just being a ‘hot TB mare’ is GONE. There are no more monsters in the corner or anywhere else for that matter. Indie will always be a sensitive mare, but now she is different horse.
Friends have witnessed this transformation and want to start their horses on it too. I know it takes a little more time and energy to change the way we feed our horses, but we owe it to them. Jeremiah’s Ulcer Repulser is affordable, effective and easy to use. Traditional medicines are great, but there are other ways to treat horses too. I can’t say enough about your product. Give JJ a kiss for me and Indie too 
Elizabeth R and her horse, Indie"
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JUR, You have piqued my interest. I think Sucker was just trying to be humorous in light of the FDA crackdown on non-approved omeprazole sales.Sucker has lots of good information and I thank her/him.[/QUOTE]
Also, when looking at hindgut ulcers. Most of the conventional means do not work, as they are designed to suppress/reduce the amount of acid in the stomach, and those treatments in most cases do not reach the hindgut. There are some specific products that have a special carrier that allows for the conventional acid suppression to reach the hindgut. Those few that work in the hindgut DO work for suppressing the acid, but as I said above, acid isn’t the issue, and reducing acid in the gut can be even more problematic.
@ sucker. Thanks for the humor 
Also, to the OP and anyone else. Pricing:
30 days - $49.95 shipped free in USA
90 days - $134.95 shipped free in USA
As you can see in comparison to other products this is VERY cost effective, even better because it works.
" Not to mention that the prolonged use of these medications an be detrimental to our horses health. There is also more and more supporting research on the carcinogenic properties of many of the available treatments."
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JUR,
If the digestive tract is coated then does your product inhibit absorbion of nutrients?
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JUR,
If the digestive tract is coated then does your product inhibit absorbion of nutrients?[/QUOTE]
Ingredients:
Slippery elm - demuclent
Fenugreek - demuclent, also a taste horses love (not in pregnant mare formula, see website)
Marshmallow root powder - demuclent
L-glutamine - Gut soothing amino acid, helps reduce pain
Carrot powder - tastes good and reduced excess acid
probios - is probios.
OP - you can get all these ingredients in bulk online. If you’re truly interested in trying them, I’m sure its cheaper
To the OP, I received your PM and will respond shortly.
Great question on the absorption. Because JUR is firstly a food in and of itself (given that the demulcents themselves are botanical), it is digested as it passes through the GI system along with whatever feed is given to the horse, which is why the serving is given daily. JUR should have no effect on the horses ability to digest food and receive nutrients. As I mentioned earlier, JJ has been eating JUR for 10+ years as well as many of our customers horses.
To Sucker
All of the ingredients are available for purchase online, that is no secret nor do I make it one. I’m a full disclosure type of guy. My goal is to help horses and owners. Quite frankly, you likely will not find the ingredients cheaper. JUR uses all food grade ingredients, which are then shipped to you at no cost. The price really cannot be beat, on top of whatever value the convenience of JUR affords you (i.e. packaged, professionally mixed, shipped at no cost). If one agrees that JUR is a good option for their horse, one would have done enough research to know that JUR is also the cheapest and most convenient way of providing your horse with the relief it needs.
