Managing an Insulin Resistant Horse

I’ve been managing my gelding for a number of years now without mishap. He is turning 18 now. When I clipped him a few weeks ago I noticed that the lumps on his hips (my only sign that he is IR) are much more pronounced. This is worrisome as these bumps usually present themselves only in spring and fall when the grass is lush. It’s the dead of winter, no grass, very poor hay quality this year. I feed him a half pound of TC Low Starch feed twice a day. He gets hay and Triple Crown Grass Forage (because our hay is not great). Rarely ever gets alfalfa. He is in light work (due to weather and no indoor). I am worried about him. He looks like he does not feel great either.

Should I take him off the grain? If so, I don’t think I get away with not feeding him any grain at all. He would be pretty unhappy. What to to what’s right for this guy and manage him into his late teens.

Have you had his bloodwork done lately? That’s where I’d start. I’d also add a magnesium supplement to his diet if he’s not already on one.

https://www.ecirhorse.org/treatment-…resistance.php
That website was very insightful. My guy has Cushings AND IR, so he’s a bit different, but it was still super helpful.

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It could be your hay. If it is the hay causing the issue, you will have to soak it to reduce the sugar. The ecir site will have the information you need.

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The amount of grain your feeding is so small in comparison to the forage that I would not focus on it. Especially because it’s already Low Starch.

I would probably have him tested for Cushings and IR. No sense in guessing - because if he has Cushings, you will manage it better with medication than diet.

If you find that you need to adjust his diet, you will probably have to look more closely at your hay. E.g. testing it and/or soaking it.

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Ditto test for Cushings.

Also get your hay tested if you are able to buy seasonally or even a couple of months at a time. That way you know exactly how poor quality the hay is.

Even though you shouldn’t have to worry about the 1/2# of TC Low Starch – the problem is (unless the guaranteed analysis on the bag IS for 1/2#), he is not getting all his nutrients.

If your hay is short on essential vit/min, and you are not feeding enough TCLS to give him their recommended daily requirements, I might hazard a guess that is where some of your problem lies.

I have not fed any sort of feed or ration balancer since 2014. I feed HorseTech’s High Point vit/min supplement for grass fed horses and mix it with a bit of water into straight Timothy or orchard grass pellets.

This Fall I added 2,500 IU of pure Vitamin E, also from Horse Tech. I’ve been told it’s cheaper thru Santa Cruz but I am sold on HorseTech’s customer service and what products of theirs I have used to-date:). Whether or not I keep him on the Vitamin E when the grass comes back and I get my 2019 hay, remains to be seen/)

At any rate, IMHO, your main issue is knowing how your hay tests and also if you are under-feeding the TCLS to meet their guaranteed analysis:)

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Test your hay for sure. Add Heiro and either switch to a low NSC ration balancer or a vit/min supplement depend on his caloric needs. I’d also drop the grass forage and try the safe starch if you need to supplement the hay, that will cut your NSC as well. You could also feed Timothy Balancer cubes, they are designed for EMS/IR horses. Good luck, I feel your pain!

How is the hay “not great”?

I ask because I’ve tested coarse mature local grass hay. As expected, low in protein and minerals. Unexpected, it was sky high in sugar (almost 25% NSC).

So not great hay can be high NSC.

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Check for Cushings. And see if your hay can be tested, meantime, soak it.

Some horses on the verge of founder are kind enough to warn us by being NQR.

So do not wait.

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I’d start with bloodwork, checking his leptin level, your vet can advise on how to interpret the results. Next you MUST test your hay, you want an NSC at 10% or less. If it isn’t you’ll need to soak your hay for at least two hours and drain the water before feeding. I would remove the TC low starch unless it meets that 10% NSC level also. You can meet his vitamin/mineral requirements with something like SmartVite. Add magnesium, and consider adding Metabarol by Equithrive. I’ve had great success with it for my two IRs, a Morgan and a pony

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Triple Crown Low Starch is not particularly low in sugars, unfortunately. I think it runs about 13.5%, IIRC. Triple Crown Lite is less than 10%, so you may want to consider that. You would need to feed 2 pounds a day for him to get all of his required vitamins and minerals. I have an IR horse and I feed him California Trace Plus vit/min mix, a small amount of soaked beet pulp, and a handful of timothy pellets, along with salt and magnesium.

Also, you should check out Eleanor Kellon’s ECIR group. There is a wealth of information there on managing IR horses.

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TC30 is under 10% and would be a better choice for a horse on 1 lb a day.

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Even better would be TC Lite. OP, you should test your hay, and if you are having issues with weight control, it’s better to restrict hay by using a slow feed net or feeder than to have him hoover up all the hay and then wait around for hours with nothing to nibble on.

TC Lite can be fed at 1-2lb per 500lb body weight, so depending on your horse’s weight, you may need to feed more than 2 lbs. My 1150lb ISH eats about 3lb of Lite daily (4 in winter and I supplement that with Platinum Performance.) Either way, if you’re feeding TC LS at such a low rate, I’m thirding or fourthing the suggestion to switch down to TC Lite, which is about the last way to step down the volume and step up the nutrients before you go full ration balancer. Depending on his bloodwork, the ration balancer might be quite a reasonable way to take care of his nutritional needs without making him feel like he’s starving to death.

Definitely test him before you do anything else- for Cushings, IR, LR, and thyroid dysfunction- because what you find there will inform the next reasonable step. If he acts at all tender-footed while you wait for the bloodwork to come back, run, don’t walk, to the soaked hay and beet pulp diet.

He’s not overweight but he’s an easy keeper. I do think he is now Cushings and IR both. He has the signs for Cushings and I’ve put him on the Cushings meds very recently but he has quit eating his grain so it’s been hard to get his meds in him. I’ll give him warm beet pulp this evening to see if he will eat that. He is not a picky eater. And I will soak his hay.

My hay situation is that a local guy brings me hay, about 10-15 bales at a time so I can’t test it. I have tried for a year to get him to bring me hay in 100 bale increments but that’s not gonna happen. It is difficult to get good hay where I live without getting it from out of state. And with the rain overload last year the hay crop is small, hard to find, very expensive and poor quality.

He’s not “off” at all - he seems very sound in his feet and has not shown me any signs of founder yet. He is just lethargic, not his self. Vet is coming tomorrow to run a blood test. I just need to manage his diet better if he is Cushings too.

This IR / ? Cushings assignment is not an easy assignment.

Bless you for being pro-active in your gelding’s care.

  • with hay shortage and quality … while testing is important … regardless… if that’s what you have = that’s what you have and honestly all you can do is soak it and feed appropriate diet amount.

Sounds like you’re doing your best …

Good Luck … glad to hear he is not ‘ouchy’

Thyroid can make for ‘flat effect’ and once thyroid levels ( if nqr) can be ‘righted’ he will brighten up

however

with Cushings meds . … many go off feed and many appear depressed … at least in my experiences.

Again best of luck … keep up your good work ~

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What does this mean? He has clinical symptoms but no significant alteration in his bloodwork, and on that basis the vet has prescribed Pergolide? He has symptoms and his bloodwork is consistent with Cushings, and therefore the vet has prescribed Pergolide? He has symptoms and the bloodwork you mention happening tomorrow is an ACTH test, but he is on Pergolide already, so this is a retest to check his response and adjust? He’s not on Pergolide yet but is on chastetree berry or something else?

What I’m reading is that you’re operating off of his symptoms, which is where you start, but don’t have insight into what is actually going on inside his body, which makes it hard to offer to-the-point suggestions.

If he is showing pergolide veil, APF can help with that. My guy also responded well to having a handful of TC Senior or another “appetizing food” mixed in with his regular TC Lite. But you’d want to know what his levels are before making a decision about what quantity of what food might be reasonable to tempt his appetite.

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The Cushings tests are not at all accurate - that has been my experience - as I have an even older horse who has every signs of Cushings imaginable - but has yet to test positive. So I take those with a grain of salt and instead use my eyes and ears - I know my horses very well. My older horse even had a mild case of founder (and never had heat in her feet, her x-rays were clear too) but she definitely foundered (and thank goodness we caught it early). So operating off his symptoms for now is what I am doing and THANK GOODNESS I operated off the symptoms for my older mare or she would likely be dead by now.

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Hi Monalisa, Just a second to Zu Zu’s points. I also have an older IR/Cushings mare. Soaking the hay is really important. Is what you have grass hay?

When I switched to straight timothy my mare was SO MUCH better - even though it is soaked as the grass hay was. Just too much sugar in the grass.

Also, FWIW, with the older mare, I was allowed to feed alfalfa as her weight is under control (3+ ribs showing at all times). That helped her overall because of the protein and it is not high in sugar.

Well, different vets have different approaches to this, but from experience, if you’re not testing, you don’t know what’s up and you don’t know what you’re treating.

My horse is coming 24. Since about the age of 13, I suspected Cushings or another metabolic issue. Hairy, air fern, fat pockets, cresty, delayed healing, prone to soft tissue problems, etc. I had him on the diet and exercise regimen of a Cushings horse and had bloodwork for thyroid, Cushings, insulin, leptin, and the other normal suspects run annually. He tested within normal range for everything until the age of 15, at which point his leptin levels were just above normal. On the basis of his previous bloodwork this was an evident spike and we started treating that. Leptin went down, overall body condition improved. At 18 his ACTH tested just a point or two outside normal range for the time of year, but, again, it showed a change from the previous 5 years of results and justified starting treatment. And finally 2 months ago his thyroid levels showed up out of whack and finally justified treating that. If I’d put him on Pergolide at 15 it wouldn’t have helped his leptin. If I’d put him on Thyro-L at 18 it wouldn’t have helped his Cushings. The fact that I had annual results from year to year helped to identify the clinical significance of relatively small changes and come up with a treatment plan that supported what was going on inside his body.

I’m not suggesting that you don’t know your horse. You know your horse well enough to know something’s not right and to have a good sense of what it might be. But you don’t know for certain the problem you’re trying to solve, which does mean you’re doing a bit of throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks and introducing prescription medications that have potentially adverse side effects.