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Dover shoots their own photos, so we have no control over what images they use. Images on DA’s website are being updated, many already have.[/QUOTE]
Dover doesn’t shoot their own photos for products not made by them. Many are manufacturer provided, like DA. If the manufacturer does not provide images, Dover will hire for photos. For Dover’s line of stuff (Riding Sport, RI, etc) they do shoot their own photos because it is an ‘in house’ item.
The thing about wearing breeches that are slim looking on the hanger but stretch a lot when put on is if you have lumps and pumps and an imperfect body something stretched to its max clings to all those imperfections and make them glaringly obvious. You want things to fit without needing them to stretch to the limit of the fabric just to get them on, it’s not flattering.
The other thing is I don’t want to struggle with getting into breeches and I want loose comfort not tight constriction.
Pleassseeeee bring back the Grand Prix Hampton II breeches in MORE colours. I love the waistband, fit and fabric of these breeches for my schooling breeches. Definitely the most comfortable breeches I have ever owned!
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The thing about wearing breeches that are slim looking on the hanger but stretch a lot when put on is if you have lumps and pumps and an imperfect body something stretched to its max clings to all those imperfections and make them glaringly obvious. You want things to fit without needing them to stretch to the limit of the fabric just to get them on, it’s not flattering.
The other thing is I don’t want to struggle with getting into breeches and I want loose comfort not tight constriction.[/QUOTE]
It depends what fabric we’re talking about. Some knits are very thick/substantial. Even though they stretch, they don’t show a lot. Similarly, a woven can be very thin (think linen or tulle) to the point of it being see through. I actually think some wovens show lumps worse. You can’t really make a universal statement when there is so much choice in fabrics.
Just because they stretch it does not mean they must be stretched to the LIMIT of the fabric. No one is suggesting that anyone buy pants that must be literally bursting at the seams to get on. Rather, I was suggesting that because something LOOKS a couple inches too small at the waist ON THE HANGER does not mean that it’s not actually the right size.
When you use knit fabric, you want a little give— that’s part of the construction. This is true of regular pants too. If you use a knit fabric but cut on a pattern designed for a woven, the breeches/pants will look saggy and ill-fitted.
Honestly, I feel like there’s no pleasing some people. Unless you try breeches on, how do you KNOW they don’t fit or the fabric won’t look good? LE was right there IN THE STORE and rather than try anything, she just concluded they were all too small and not cut for her shape. Not to mention… I wonder what Dover she went to because it almost sounds like she only saw TIGHTS and in all 3 of the Dovers “near” me they have a WIDE array of breeches and tights in all different shapes and styles. And a WALL of helmets. So I am really puzzled by her description of what she saw.
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It depends what fabric we’re talking about. Some knits are very thick/substantial. Even though they stretch, they don’t show a lot. Similarly, a woven can be very thin (think linen or tulle) to the point of it being see through. I actually think some wovens show lumps worse. You can’t really make a universal statement when there is so much choice in fabrics.
Just because they stretch it does not mean they must be stretched to the LIMIT of the fabric. No one is suggesting that anyone buy pants that must be literally bursting at the seams to get on. Rather, I was suggesting that because something LOOKS a couple inches too small at the waist ON THE HANGER does not mean that it’s not actually the right size.
When you use knit fabric, you want a little give— that’s part of the construction. This is true of regular pants too. If you use a knit fabric but cut on a pattern designed for a woven, the breeches/pants will look saggy and ill-fitted.
Honestly, I feel like there’s no pleasing some people. Unless you try breeches on, how do you KNOW they don’t fit or the fabric won’t look good? LE was right there IN THE STORE and rather than try anything, she just concluded they were all too small and not cut for her shape. Not to mention… I wonder what Dover she went to because it almost sounds like she only saw TIGHTS and in all 3 of the Dovers “near” me they have a WIDE array of breeches and tights in all different shapes and styles. And a WALL of helmets. So I am really puzzled by her description of what she saw.[/QUOTE]
No there isn’t a lot of choices in fabrics or breeches when you need a shapely fit.
If they are a couple of inches too small on the hanger their going to be a couple of inches too small to fit me the way I want breeches to fit. If you’re happy with them fitting like that great but not everyone is. I don’t need to try them on to figure that out.
I don’t want to have the breeches stretch a couple of inches to get them on to wear them, no matter what the fabric. I personally like breeches to fit with some room, easy to get on and off, not pulling and tugging to get into them and pulling and tugging to get out of them. It’s my personal like, doesn’t have to be everyone’s. So no I don’t try on breeches that are small looking on the hanger, I know there is no point because it isn’t the fit I want. It’s not a matter of there is not pleasing everyone; everyone has a different idea of how they want something to fit. I’ve tried enough clothes on in the past 60+ years to know whether I will like the fit or not just by looking.
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No there isn’t a lot of choices in fabrics or breeches when you need a shapely fit.
If they are a couple of inches too small on the hanger their going to be a couple of inches too small to fit me the way I want breeches to fit. If you’re happy with them fitting like that great but not everyone is. I don’t need to try them on to figure that out.
I don’t want to have the breeches stretch a couple of inches to get them on to wear them, no matter what the fabric. I personally like breeches to fit with some room, easy to get on and off, not pulling and tugging to get into them and pulling and tugging to get out of them. It’s my personal like, doesn’t have to be everyone’s. So no I don’t try on breeches that are small looking on the hanger, I know there is no point because it isn’t the fit I want. It’s not a matter of there is not pleasing everyone; everyone has a different idea of how they want something to fit. I’ve tried enough clothes on in the past 60+ years to know whether I will like the fit or not just by looking.[/QUOTE]
They put elastic in the waist of certain things (including breeches) for a reason-- they are designed to stretch. If you really want 100% woven breeches you’re going to have to look for the old TS type ones from the 80s because very very very few people want that sort of “not stretch” woven look/fit at all anymore. If you like the look of the old canary ones that you had to button on the ankle that were flared at the hip-- no, you’re not going to find that anymore because it’s very out of style.
If what you just want is NOT skintight but cut for curves with some heft to the fabric/not TIGHTS, there are many possibilities. But they’re going to stretch and not fit loose/baggy a bit because that’s how knit fabrics are designed to work. They’re not going to be like TIGHTS but they’re also going to be more figure fitting than the old canaries.
Off the top of my head-- Custom Riding Apparel (they offer a variety of low/medium/high waist options, are not high stretch, and fit curvy figures nicely), Ovation equoweave, some of the FITS [Beka, not the tights but the breeches], and On Course (they make a shapely breech specifically). None of these are 100% woven fabric with NO KNIT at all and they’re all designed to stretch and not be literally baggy-- but they also don’t look like they’re painted on and they’re not thin thin material like tights.
Things that are designed to stretch LOOK smaller pre-wearing than they fit. This is why pantyhose look small when you hold them up. But they are designed to stretch. If pantyhose were big enough to fit before you put them on, you’d have layers of loose draping fabric.
Knit fabric with lycra is designed to stretch. Doesn’t mean it has to look PAINTED ON but it also really isn’t designed to fit loose/baggy either.
Love the On Course but (my other complaint post) only make black and tan. I love their fit and have several pair but I’m tired of black and tan. I want colors. Just did a quick search and I’m not sure the On Course Shapely are still being made, I noticed Dover and Smart Pak no longer have them. Sadly, I think they have been discontinued?
Dover has a Dublin Shapely but of course only in beige and the Custom Riding Apparel knee patch - blue and grey! Unfortunately their full seat, tan and white only. Not sure about the modified rise though. Might be worth a try.
Ovations come in a BUNCH of other colors…
http://www.doversaddlery.com/ovation-euroweave-dx-breeches-with-synthetic-full-seat/p/X1-35134/
I have not tried these but I have heard them recommended for a curvier shape and they also come in lots of colors…
http://www.doversaddlery.com/ovation-slim-secret-full-seat/p/X1-35681/
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Ovations come in a BUNCH of other colors…
Not the Shapely, I was referring specifically to that style.
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I have not tried these but I have heard them recommended for a curvier shape and they also come in lots of colors…
http://www.doversaddlery.com/ovation-slim-secret-full-seat/p/X1-35681/[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately they aren’t cut with the extra size thru the hips and thigh like the Shapely, they only have a control panel. Not that I couldn’t use that too.
I am definately a “hips wider than waist” kind of gal and I really like the fit of the Ovation Euroweave (I am not as jazzed about the fabric but it sounds like you prefer that type of fabric).
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I’m a grown woman with no hips, no ass, and no waist. It is possible, you know. It doesn’t mean I’m “built like a teenage boy” I’m just not curvy. Most breeches sag on my non-butt, so I’m pretty sure they aren’t made for me.[/QUOTE]
Ditto! I always laugh when COTH complains that breeches must be made for skinny teenagers. I am the archetypical Tiny Person and I know of exactly one (1) company that makes adult breeches in my size.
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For the larger-calfed riders, how about the Flex Plus field boot:
http://www.ovationriding.com/footwear/ovation-flex-plus-field-boot-468752
Goes up to a 20" calf.[/QUOTE]
The ovation site has loads of items I’m interested in (including those boots), the problem is finding a retailer that carries them as part of their normal inventory. I hate doing the special order thing through stores. I wish I could order direct from Ovation online. Anyone know of a site I might be missing?
Less of a manufacturing thing, but I would love some kind of fabric catalog with samples of the fabrics that each company is carrying. I’d love to branch out and try new things from companies I know usually fit me, but even as a huge fabric nerd, it’s practically impossible for me to decipher what all the new tech fabrics are like in real life. I think it’s kind of hilarious how different all of the spandex-polyester-wicking-Euro-woven-in-tan fabrics can be from one another. They all sound the exactly the same when you’re reading the description in Dover!
P.S. Speaking as a product design major – thanks for doing our research work for us, COTH! I’m saving this thread for future reference. :lol:
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The ovation site has loads of items I’m interested in (including those boots), the problem is finding a retailer that carries them as part of their normal inventory. I hate doing the special order thing through stores. I wish I could order direct from Ovation online. Anyone know of a site I might be missing?[/QUOTE]
It looks like Equestrian Collections carries them? I usually check their site first if I’m looking for one of the lower-range brands, they seem to do a better job of stocking those than Smartpak or Dover.
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It looks like Equestrian Collections carries them? I usually check their site first if I’m looking for one of the lower-range brands, they seem to do a better job of stocking those than Smartpak or Dover.
They drop ship. Adams does too
I have the Black Knight belt bag and love it!
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It depends what fabric we’re talking about. Some knits are very thick/substantial. Even though they stretch, they don’t show a lot. Similarly, a woven can be very thin (think linen or tulle) to the point of it being see through. I actually think some wovens show lumps worse. You can’t really make a universal statement when there is so much choice in fabrics.
Just because they stretch it does not mean they must be stretched to the LIMIT of the fabric. No one is suggesting that anyone buy pants that must be literally bursting at the seams to get on. Rather, I was suggesting that because something LOOKS a couple inches too small at the waist ON THE HANGER does not mean that it’s not actually the right size.
When you use knit fabric, you want a little give— that’s part of the construction. This is true of regular pants too. If you use a knit fabric but cut on a pattern designed for a woven, the breeches/pants will look saggy and ill-fitted.
Honestly, I feel like there’s no pleasing some people. Unless you try breeches on, how do you KNOW they don’t fit or the fabric won’t look good? LE was right there IN THE STORE and rather than try anything, she just concluded they were all too small and not cut for her shape. Not to mention… I wonder what Dover she went to because it almost sounds like she only saw TIGHTS and in all 3 of the Dovers “near” me they have a WIDE array of breeches and tights in all different shapes and styles. And a WALL of helmets. So I am really puzzled by her description of what she saw.[/QUOTE]
I KNOW they wouldn’t fit because there simply isn’t enough of the (thin, cheesy) fabric there to even zip them up. And some of us from Ye Olden Daze of Tailored Sportsman, Kentucky and Georg Schumacher just won’t DO “sausage casing.” Or fugly neon racer-back tank-top, for that matter. It’s called dignity.
In the 80’s and 90’s, the better German breeches WERE cut for a filled-out figure (think “St. Pauli Girl” type :winkgrin:) as opposed to anorexic youth. That’s why we notice the contrast. Furthermore, higher-quality fabrics with more heft tend to eliminate the “lumps and bumps” look. Stretchiness is not the issue.
I still have pairs of the old-tyme brands in a 30-32, purchased in the EIGHTIES that I still wear, so I think I speak for many here that the issue is not the size as much as the cut.
Perhaps if riding apparel mfr.'s put as much research into cuts, fabrics and demographics as they do into Swarovski crystal-crusting of helmets and boots, they might make more money.
Back to the Future . . . ! 
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I KNOW they wouldn’t fit because there simply isn’t enough of the (thin, cheesy) fabric there to even zip them up. And some of us from Ye Olden Daze of Tailored Sportsman, Kentucky and Georg Schumacher just won’t DO “sausage casing.” Or fugly neon racer-back tank-top, for that matter. It’s called dignity.
In the 80’s and 90’s, the better German breeches WERE cut for a filled-out figure (think “St. Pauli Girl” type :winkgrin:) as opposed to anorexic youth. That’s why we notice the contrast. Furthermore, higher-quality fabrics with more heft tend to eliminate the “lumps and bumps” look. Stretchiness is not the issue.
I still have pairs of the old-tyme brands in a 30-32, purchased in the EIGHTIES that I still wear, so I think I speak for many here that the issue is not the size as much as the cut.
Perhaps if riding apparel mfr.'s put as much research into cuts, fabrics and demographics as they do into Swarovski crystal-crusting of helmets and boots, they might make more money.
Back to the Future . . . ! [/QUOTE]
I’m getting really tired of people calling body types they may not have things like “anorexic” or “boyish” or whatever. Just because it’s not YOUR body type doesn’t mean it’s some negative thing.
You can be thin and not have an eating disorder. You can be fat and still have no butt and boobs. You can be strong and still be a woman who doesn’t need concealing for “dignity.”
Let’s stop with this kind of language, yes? You can be unhappy with the available breeches selection without shaming other people’s bodies with these hyperbolic descriptions.
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