Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[Rubyroo]

@trubandloki

Oh wait. So the person who is insisting they are not reading any other threads has actually gone back to find points in other threads to comment on?

So very interesting.

I have not gone back to the beginning to read ALL the threads on this topic. I started reading in real time around June. The Christmas party discussions were after June. I assumed people here were friends with him since they were planning on traveling to Florida for his Christmas party.

[Jealoushe]

I’m pretty sure it was posted here at one point.

[Angela_Freda]

@Rubyroo

Michael couldn’t have mentioned anything during the trial (he didn’t testify), he doesn’t participate in YouTube comments or these forums so he couldn’t have said it there, so the only place according to your post he could have mentioned it is in the 48Hours episode, which is what I asked. It is weird that he would say the same thing many, many, many times in one 48 Hours episode though. You’d think they would have edited out the repetition. Like I said, I am planning on watching it when I have time.

Get back to us when you have.

[Knights_Mom]

@DownYonder

Sorry to circle back to this but I am far behind again…

I realize the jury saw and heard much more testimony than I saw watching the trial, but if I had been on that jury, this is what I would have written down after testimony was complete.

1. MB had no criminal record, he was a successful athlete and businessman, and he had been a productive and upstanding member of the community until LK and RG came along.
2. The people who testified on MB’s behalf are respected and productive members of the community.
3. There were no prosecution witnesses who testified that MB was prone to violent or abusive behavior.
4. LK and RG are liars, drug addicts, and grifters, and seem to possess very few redeeming qualities.
5. MB’s personal history and the testimony of the defense witnesses point to the fact that he had been doing OK dealing with the vagaries of life until LK embarked on a campaign to destroy his business and reputation.
6. There was testimony from multiple witnesses that the atmosphere at the farm had become toxic due to the presence and actions of LK and RG. The big question is why they did not leave when it was obvious they were no longer wanted and they had become so unhappy there. (Who does that?)
7. LK’s SM postings and text messages and alleged recording of private conversations, along with her other actions, were beyond the pale. (Who does that?)
8. The forensic reports from the scene are troubling, esp. the confusing information about bullet trajectories and the lack of GSR testing on anyone’s hands that would help prove who was holding the gun when it discharged. Those issues, along with the confusing, backpedaling and contradictory testimony of the admitted liars/drug addicts, make me have serious doubts about what happened.
9. MB was bitten multiple times by LK’s aggressive dog, including in the groin. Was he possibly trying to defend himself against the dog when the shooting occurred?
10. The photos of MB taken after the shooting incident look as though he was beaten methodically and maliciously.
11. I don’t believe LK/RG that the incident went down the way the prosecution alleges, and I wish there had been evidence/testimony about the possibility of self-defense.
12. The defense is arguing that MB had been driven insane by the actions of LK (and aided and abetted by RG and possibly/probably her father).
13. MB doesn’t look well – he needs help from mental health professionals to regain his emotional stability.
14. LK is not only an admitted liar and drug addict, she also appears to be a vindicative and conniving individual (that’s putting it nicely) who seems to have no remorse for her actions and who gives every indication that she is not finished with her plan to “Finish the Bastard.”
15. I don’t think MB should be released into my community in the mental state he is in, and especially where he would be vulnerable to further emotional abuse from LK.
16. I don’t think there is adequate evidence that MB shot at RG, so NG on those counts.
17. For the counts related to LK, NGRI acquits MB of responsibility for the shooting, ensures he gets mental health treatment before he is released back into society, and keeps him where he is safe from retaliation by LK and her minions. (And yes, I know that he did not get treatment at AK and is apparently not getting it at Greystone, but a juror would not have known that).

I guess I would have filled a few pages of a legal pad with all that, but writing it down would have helped me organize my thoughts and lead me to what I believe to be a logical verdict.

Also remember that in regards to a former spouse an order of protection was taken out against HER if memory serves me right.

[Angela_Freda]

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

On a more serious note, I do not think Michael knows or does not know what anyone randomly on the internet is posting about him or the situation.

Really? Didn’t Eggbutt say that after the shooting she immediately contacted people like MHG and ask what she could do to help?

Eggbutt has been the dominant poster on these threads.

[LexInVA]

@BigMama1

Right. But national shows do not fall under FEI rules, even if someone is riding an FEI test. AFAIK FEI rules only apply at CDIs, and I can’t imagine LK riding well enough to enter a CDI. Then again, she seems pretty delusional about her abilities so perhaps she would.

Per the WADA agreements and USADA rules, the USADA has authorization to demand testing of any USEF-recognized athlete/member engaged in USEF sanctioned/recognized competition or activity. They can do so by their own volition or at the insistence of the USEF or other designated and authorized agencies, including WADA. Testing can be in-competition/event or out of it, with no advanced notice, per the USEF rules and reciprocity agreements.

GR 413 Human Drug Testing

In accordance with the rules of the FEI and of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), any Federation member shall comply with in-competition, no advance notice (NAN), and other out-of-competition drug testing conducted by the FEI, WADA, US Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) or by a WADA-authorized organization or USADA-authorized organization at any time without advanced notice. Failure to cooperate with such in-competition, NAN or other out-of-competition drug testing shall be a violation of Federation rules.

International competition is just where you see and hear about the testing, but it can be done at any USEF/USDF-sanctioned or affiliated event, be it a recognized show or a clinic or exhibition or team tryouts. The short answer is, so long as LK is using Suboxone or any other banned substance, she can’t go chasing points and USDF medals without the possibility of running afoul of the drug testing, at any time.

[Angela_Freda]

@Rubyroo

I have not gone back to the beginning to read ALL the threads on this topic. I started reading in real time around June. The Christmas party discussions were after June. I assumed people here were friends with him since they were planning on traveling to Florida for his Christmas party

If you take all posts literally, well I hope you buckle up for your remedial reading of the case.
Or, maybe the internet isn’t for you.
Tip: not everything here is literal, or true.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Really? Didn’t Eggbutt say that after the shooting she immediately contacted people like MHG and ask what she could do to help?

Didn’t MHG leave as soon as she could after the shooting? The state expert says she told the police something about being afraid that JK was going to kill her.

[Angela_Freda]

Hmmm… The stretching has ramped up.
Something must not be going LKs way.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

On a more serious note, I do not think Michael knows or does not know what anyone randomly on the internet is posting about him or the situation.

Really? Didn’t Eggbutt say that after the shooting she immediately contacted people like MHG and ask what she could do to help?

Eggbutt has been the dominant poster on these threads.

Yes really!

So to you the fact that Eggbutt was helpful and talked to MHG and maybe even some other random people associated with Michael’s facility that she has a history with equals people telling Michael what is happening on a horse internet bulletin board years later?

Aren’t you one of the people who likes to boast how MHG left Michael right after this, so how is Eggbutt talking to MHG leap to someone telling Michael what is happening on the COTH forum?

I admit, just like Lauren Kanarek (as stated by the state’s expert witness), you are creative and use your imagination well.

[Knights_Mom]

@Rubyroo

Another thing I’ve been curious about - how many people posting here are friends with Michael? A few months ago, before Michael was transferred to where he is now, there was talk about him being released and some were talking about going to a Christmas party that he was going to host at his farm. Is he ok with his friends posting on these threads?

I don’t know MB. Never saw him in person. Never wanted a lesson from him. Never spoke to him even on the phone, text or email. I never visited any of his farms.

I saw him on TV in the Colbert thing and circa 2008ish I took a few lessons from one of his students who I didn’t know trained with him until they told me.

I know of him mostly from COTH and this tragedy. Feel better now?

I posted that I was betting on his being home from Christmas. It’s still possible. Very possible.

[Sdel]

Hmmm…are we getting close to that timeline the judge set for reissuing subpoenas? What about a new deposition date?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Angela_Freda

@Rubyroo

Discussing the case isn’t strange - I meant the part about being invited to Michael’s Christmas party

You mean the imaginary party that really wasn’t going to happen, and was only a bit of light “what if…” since he’s being detained? Still?
You’re really grasping here.

To be clear, like when we muse over how to spend Lottery winnings, it was just a musing on how people who wanted to, and could, might celebrate his release… in their Imagination.

The party was being discussed prior to the Krol hearing snd was an expression of everyone’s confidence that MB would be released as soon as the Krol hearing happened.

[Knights_Mom]

@Sdel

@Angela_Freda

If that doesn’t tell you that you should leave, while you claim to hear a plot to kill you… I mean… I guess you can deny that.
But I doubt it will end well. Or your denial will be believable.
.

You are explaining something to someone who is not discussing in good faith. They have admitted to 1) not reading the old threads, 2) not having watched much of the trial beyond opening statements and 3) not having watched the 48 hours episode. All while having been extremely condescending, rude, and suggesting we are stupid for believing certain possibilities could have happened based on 1) having read the 3 years of old threads 2) having watched the trial (and discussed every aspect of the trial before said trial because the victim blabbed the whole case online) 3) having watched the 48 hours episode. In fact, one could really say that we have MORE information than the criminal jury ever received because there were definitely things discussed here that didn’t make it into the trial.

Actually they lied if they remember people saying they thought he’d be out for Christmas AND state they haven’t read past threads.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The party was being discussed prior to the Krol hearing snd was an expression of everyone’s confidence that MB would be released as soon as the Krol hearing happened.

And if Taylor had done as he is charged to do, follow MD recommendations, Michael may have actually been able to have that party with his real friends and loved ones.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@Sdel

@Angela_Freda

If that doesn’t tell you that you should leave, while you claim to hear a plot to kill you… I mean… I guess you can deny that.
But I doubt it will end well. Or your denial will be believable.
.

You are explaining something to someone who is not discussing in good faith. They have admitted to 1) not reading the old threads, 2) not having watched much of the trial beyond opening statements and 3) not having watched the 48 hours episode. All while having been extremely condescending, rude, and suggesting we are stupid for believing certain possibilities could have happened based on 1) having read the 3 years of old threads 2) having watched the trial (and discussed every aspect of the trial before said trial because the victim blabbed the whole case online) 3) having watched the 48 hours episode. In fact, one could really say that we have MORE information than the criminal jury ever received because there were definitely things discussed here that didn’t make it into the trial.

Actually they lied if they remember people saying they thought he’d be out for Christmas.

I remember you saying he’d be out by the holidays, @Knights_Mom

[Knights_Mom]

@Rubyroo

@Angela_Freda

Tarshis and JK @Inigo-montoya were negotiating a place for her to go to.

If that doesn’t tell you that you should leave, while you claim to hear a plot to kill you… I mean… I guess you can deny that.
But I doubt it will end well. Or your denial will be believable.
.

I was asking about the comment that Michael himself stated many, many, many times that he asked her to leave. And not because I don’t believe she was asked to leave, but because I didn’t think that Michael has had many, many, many opportunities to tell his side of the story where he would have the opportunity to tell anyone this many, many, many times. I have no doubt that Lauren new that her presence was not welcome on that property.

Had you watched the TV and internet coverage you would have seen him say it in an interview.

But you didn’t. Hard to argue with those who did watch, eh?

[Rubyroo]

@Knights_Mom

Feel better now?

I felt perfectly fine both before and after reading your post. Thank you for caring.

[Knights_Mom]

@Rubyroo

Obviously someone directly involved in this case (for example, Michael’s lawyers) would want to collect this kind of thing, but why do random people on the internet need to gather proof of something related to this case?

For posters like YOU