Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[Warmblood1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

That’s not what he went to the police department for. He went to went to complain that the police had not responded as he wished to his 911 calls, and demanded to speak to the supervisor. What do you think he expected the police to do? Arrest LK and RG for not signing a document? Arrest LK for posting weird stuff on Facebook? Do you wish he had been successful in bullying the police into arresting LK for posting of FB? Do you doubt the man is a bully when he marches into the police station and attempts to bully the police ?

The visit to the police station was an illustration of his inability to take sensible action and his tendency to vent his frustration in confrontational ways instead.

Totally untrue.

He went there to get the police to do their job. Every single civil service supervisor MUST meet with the public when requested. The supervisor/commanding officer was derelict in their duty by not doing so. It wreaks of bias and malfeasance.

Any citizen is within their absolute right to speak with the person in authority. Unless you’re in Russia or China.

What did he want the officers responding to the 911 call to do when he called 911 to complain that LK was refusing to sign a document?

Trying to imply that each 911 call MB made was over signing a document is disingenuous.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

We don’t know exactly what Michael wanted to see a supervisor for but to be blocked by officers with hands on the butts of their weapons in a threatening manner is unacceptable .

Why don’t “we” know what Michael wanted to see the supervisor for? He gave a whole speech in the lobby of the police department.

The speech was reported in MBs civil suit against the police.

[erinmeri]

@DreadPirateRoberts

Captain’s log entry for today’s sailing on this forum (in case you don’t feel like catching up the hard way):

Several sealions were basking just below the Cliffs of Insanity. The steadfast crew of the Revenge and several of our closest internet stranger friends sailed close to the shore to see if any new notices from New Jersey were posted regarding the intriguing legal proceedings there. That was an ill-considered move, and a few in the party (a party of people who were, hilariously enough, throwing a festive ninja Christmas party with disrespectful tiaras) got out their longe lines in an attempt to clear some space of pinnipeds so that all could maneuver to shore for a friendly conversation.

The hazing, alas, did not have any effect on the state of affairs, and not only did the sealions manage to discover the top secret headquarters of the Barisone Fawning Fangirls Club, and mission control for a Facebook and YouTube comment fraud operation bigger than any election-year Russian troll farm, they also cracked several other secrets: that @eggbutt knows MHG (gasp! this has only been openly acknowledged on the internet for several years! how did they know!?), that there are other Carolinians in our midst who may have at some point met a character from this Greek tragedy, and that Unf and Ghazzu are known associates (side note: poor @Unfforgettable, having to endure 25 long years of association with someone like @Ghazzu who dares to make earnest and astute points in cheeky ways now and then).

Back at the Cliffs of Insanity it was still unclear whether any individual experience with mental health could be generalized to make inferences about the general state of mental health care access, and the debate about that point grew alarmingly acrimonious, if one-sided. True to the toponymic legacy of that rugged coast, the figures we could make out onshore were engaging in some puzzling behavior. One was building straw men, knocking them down, then gathering up the chaff and flannel and doing it all over again, over, and over. Another was shouting at the seagulls about ugly teen girl squads worshipping false idols.

The only news we heard from the eastern U.S. was that ShellyJellyNellyBelly’s friendship with the poor innocent victim may have had something to do with a vet bill. Winter is here and flurries of posts were falling, so it was difficult to make out the details from the forecastle as we passed the sealions and marveled at the bizarre behaviors of the tiny tribe of locals. Enough inflammatory vocabulary was cast about to create a whole new COTH bingo game, though on second thought a drinking game might be more appropriate for these threads. Rudolph made an appearance, along with his young cousins. Some regulators literally mounted up. Mics were dropped. There were few recipes to be had, though, so ultimately it was a lean evening for the Revenge and our internet bathrobe besties, but perhaps we’ll dine on interesting comments from the legal eagles when there’s more news in the case.

And with that, good night, @erinmeri. Good work posting actual horses in this horse forum thread. Sleep well. I’ll most likely kill you in the morning.

Having only caught up to this summary, I have to say that upon reading it again with context, it is epic. Thank you! I bow to you, dear pirate. (In deference, although I mean you no harm…)

[Angela_Freda]

Its practically a revolving door, a la Elf, for some.
Someone e more skilled, please add a Will Farrell gif

[Sdel]

@Warmblood1

Saying that MB called 911 multiple times in utter panic to “please MHG” is absolutely absurd. It is obvious to everyone that no one wanted LK on the property.

Didn’t RC testify about her presence for one of those 911 calls? Wasn’t that testimony about that 911 that they were threatened by RG.

[KurPlexed]

@CurrentlyHorseless

A rational person would have informed the client that the client relationship was ended and proceeded with eviction if necessary.

Obviously you’ve never dealt with someone like LK. You simply don’t tell someone like her, things like this. If you do, you best be prepared to have your world destroyed. He didn’t want his world destroyed he just wanted her gone. He went to the police for help. Any help he could get. He didn’t receive that bc in their eyes it was a civil matter. Had they taken the time to really see what was going on, I believe they could have possibly intervened and maybe this mess wouldn’t have happened. Unfortunately it’s pretty common for police to take the easy way out.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Warmblood1

Trying to imply that each 911 call MB made was over signing a document is disingenuous.

I am not implying that “each 911 call MB made” was over signing a document.

Only one 911 call was over signing a document.

My point was that the whole set of 911 calls might be interpreted as calls intended to demonstrate to MHG that he was scaring and harassing them out, as promised. I harp on the particular 911 call about them refusing to sign documents because to me that’s the most bizarre one of the whole set.

[MorganSercu]

@Paint_Party

Also, I’d like to inquire about incense. Burning incense keeps away the evil spirits (or so I hear).

Can one of those plug-in things be used in a barn in place of incense (fire hazard)?

[Angela_Freda]

Feliway, maybe?

[Sdel]

@Paint_Party

Also, I’d like to inquire about incense. Burning incense keeps away the evil spirits (or so I hear).

Sage. We need a powerful Sage smudge to cleanse our happy place of negative influences.

[Warmblood1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Warmblood1

Trying to imply that each 911 call MB made was over signing a document is disingenuous.

I am not implying that “each 911 call MB made” was over signing a document.

Only one 911 call was over signing a document.

My point was that the whole set of 911 calls might be interpreted as calls intended to demonstrate to MHG that he was scaring and harassing them out, as promised. I harp on the particular 911 call about them refusing to sign documents because to me that’s the most bizarre one of the whole set.

You’re trying to imply that it was not evident that MB desperately wanted LK to leave in the 911 calls. That a call was over a signed document. It was not. MB repeatedly stated he was fearful for himself and his family. Insinuating that he was trying to “appease MHG” by making false calls and pretending to be scared is absolutely absurd. I just listened to the 911 calls again. These are direct quotes:

First call is for TREAPASSERS in horse barn (referring to RG and LK - MB’s address is given)

“I have told them not to be in the barn…”

“They are scum bags, they have chased us out of our house, I want them gone.”

“I asked her to go home for the evening, she won’t leave the barn and she is screaming at me… This is the second time in 3 days”

“They’re nuts. They are stalking us, they are harassing us… we are in fear for our lives.”

“I talked to my lawyers and they said call them right away (police)”

“We are at the stable, we are under siege here.”

“I don’t know what to do, this is not looking good. I have a family…”

Quotes LK’s FB post: “Everyone should be worried, I’m not responsible for what my other personalities do when threatened.”

In response to FB post: “That’s insane, and we are in fear for our lives.”

MHG calls day after shooting and says she is afraid and in fear for her life after JK and RG threaten her.

And ironically, LK makes a call stating a suspicious vehicle has return. She says no weapons are involved. (Then why the CPS report?) States she overheard guys who wanted to hurt them

911 operator: “Are you or anyone else in danger?”

LK: “We feel we very much could be.”

Not only was it blatantly obvious no one wanted her there, she says she is in fear of danger yet refuses to leave.

911 calls in days leading up to shooting at horse farm

[BigMama1]

@cutter99

Here’s the thing- if they wanted to keep the Suboxone boxes hidden, they would have.

How difficult would it be???

You collapsed the box, put it inside a bag with other garbage, throw it in the can and no one is the wiser.

Either very sloppy or didn’t care who knew.

Was it supposed to be a secret? I don’t see why it would. I can see keeping active drug use on the downlow but this is a drug that treats addiction, no? And in theory keeps people from using. (We know that wasn’t exactly working for RG)

[erinmeri]

@Angela_Freda

Its practically a revolving door, a la Elf, for some.
Someone e more skilled, please add a Will Farrell gif

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@KurPlexed

@CurrentlyHorseless

A rational person would have informed the client that the client relationship was ended and proceeded with eviction if necessary.

Obviously you’ve never dealt with someone like LK. You simply don’t tell someone like her, things like this. If you do, you best be prepared to have your world destroyed. He didn’t want his world destroyed he just wanted her gone. He went to the police for help. Any help he could get. He didn’t receive that bc in their eyes it was a civil matter. Had they taken the time to really see what was going on, I believe they could have possibly intervened and maybe this mess wouldn’t have happened. Unfortunately it’s pretty common for police to take the easy way out.

If you’re dealing with someone you know or suspect will be difficult, you should work extra hard to follow the legal procedure. Let her know in writing that you’re ending the client relationship, in addition to asking her to leave. Let her know you’re working with a lawyer.

If you’re dealing with someone prickly and stubborn, it’s even more dangerous to skip the boring legal process, say “this is war”, and “scare” them out while trying to get them banned for life by USEF.

The police did not “take the easy way out”. They responded to each of his 911 calls. They are not permitted to arrest and detain LK for refusing to sign a document or for being in the barn after 9:00 or for posting weird stuff on FB.

I feel very sorry for MB. I assume it’s due to his mental breakdown that he handled the situation so badly.

[Jealoushe]

My comment was more…why are you talking about LK at Barisones when my question was asking if the poster had ever heard of a National athlete being tested. I wasn’t talking about LK or MB or their circumstance.

Anywho not important to the thread. So far only @BigMama1 has heard of it and it was here in Ontario lol

[MHM]

@BigMama1

And in theory keeps people from using. (We know that wasn’t exactly working for RG)

Maybe that’s why they wanted to keep it on the downlow.

Or maybe they didn’t want to give anyone a reason to think of running a background check on them, which may have been exactly what happened.

Again, I think there is a whole skill set and mindset for addicts that most of us don’t understand. Especially when it comes to hiding the signs.

[Warmblood1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If you’re dealing with someone you know or suspect will be difficult, you should work extra hard to follow the legal procedure. Let her know in writing that you’re ending the client relationship, in addition to asking her to leave. Let her know you’re working with a lawyer.

If this is the approach the K’s are taking for the civil trial, then they are absolutely screwed.

Unless you have inside information, you have no idea how many times MB told LK to leave verbally. You have no idea what was written and given to her. You have no idea what steps were taken legally.

We know for a fact MB was working with a lawyer. We know formal eviction was given, and we known oral notice is required prior to legal eviction. We also know MB was taking the advice of lawyers.

We know damn well that LK knew she was completely unwanted.

[MorganSercu]

@Warmblood1

Quotes LK’s FB post: “Everyone should be worried, I’m not responsible for what my other personalities do when threatened.”

You know what? I think she slipped up and admitted something very damning about herself with that one.

[Knights_Mom]

@KurPlexed

@CurrentlyHorseless

A rational person would have informed the client that the client relationship was ended and proceeded with eviction if necessary.

Obviously you’ve never dealt with someone like LK. You simply don’t tell someone like her, things like this. If you do, you best be prepared to have your world destroyed. He didn’t want his world destroyed he just wanted her gone. He went to the police for help. Any help he could get. He didn’t receive that bc in their eyes it was a civil matter. Had they taken the time to really see what was going on, I believe they could have possibly intervened and maybe this mess wouldn’t have happened. Unfortunately it’s pretty common for police to take the easy way out.

It has been my experience that police often tell people wrong things.

So much so that I was saying this at work to a member of the public who had gotten totally blown off by police and I informed them of that. My boss called me in to counsel me on how I shouldn’t criticize another officers actions. I was like yeah right. I was threatened with action and nothing came of it. But that’s how sure I am of this.

[Sdel]

@Warmblood1

We also know MB was taking the advice of lawyers.

I seem to recall a comment LK made here about MB talking to his lawyers….seems most of us understood it to be that she was talking about having recorded his attorney-client conversations.

She blew it off as MB having a lot of conversations with him “as a friend”. In hindsight those comments now have context.