Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[Angela_Freda]

Well, operations and management changed when VK left also, that might institute a new waiver.

And yes, maybe it proved to have gone missing, coincidentally after LK gained access to the office.

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’ve never seen a liability waiver with an expiration date, so I don’t understand why renewing them is necessary.

[Warmblood1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@BrownDerby

Some of the comments here are IMO just sick. If I were the assistant trainer at a big name barn, and partners with the owner (i.e, on the same page) I would darn well be entitled to ask her to leave. They safety of my children at stake? H*ll yeah.

You wouldn’t have legal standing to end the boarding relationship or training relationship between MB and his client.

What an ironic statement. That only MB had the right to ask her to leave. And we are told we worship him. It also reeks of LK entitlement. I can imagine LK torting that only MB could ask her to leave.

Would you say the same about JH as you do MHG? JH, who also worked with clients, trained LK quite a bit according to her social media posts, but even though he directly trained her, directed worked with her, he had absolutely no say in the matter? That MB wouldn’t take his assistant trainer’s opinion (of 15 years) into consideration?

I didn’t realize MB was running a monarchy here and that we know for certain he wouldn’t take any of his associates opinions into account. What a strange assumption to make. Is this how your involvement with businesses have been? You’d be the minority.

Not only was MHG his partner, she was a business partner, involved in the workings and operations of HH. Why on earth would he not take how she felt into consideration?

These questions are rhetorical as I do not believe this is in anyway how things worked. I also know you do not know how things worked.

@CurrentlyHorseless

@smoofox

If she was riding at our big boarding barn… barn and arena closed at 10:00. Only that late as we had some shift workers. No signed waiver/paperwork - no riding. No excuses. No exceptions. The sign/notice that must be posted on the wall is not a substitute. Surprisingly enough, our boarders did not see any of those documents as a nefarious Licence to Kill. Nor did they plot against us and put up cameras and mics…

In your barn, did you require the signed waiver before the first ride or before the horse was brought in to the premises?

Did you ever wait until 16 months after the first ride to require a signed waiver?

I don’t think the document was a license to kill. There is no such thing.

But I cannot think of a rational explanation that MB would permit her to ride multiple horses for months without having required the signed liability waiver, then require her to sign a waiver on Aug 4, 2019, at which point negotiations for her departure were already under way.

You do not know if this was a waiver, first off, and you do not know if this waiver was for LK or her guest. Stop pretending to know.

It also truly does not matter if she had signed one previously, had not, if this was an updated contract, etc. If she truly felt MB was entrapping her in some sort of murder conspiracy, she should have left immediately. Instead she did not most irrational and inflammatory thing and stayed while digging further in. Her behavior was negligent and reckless.

[MHM]

@DownYonder

@Angela_Freda

@DownYonder

And if it was true that the DA was already involved, then what was he basing his decision on? Did he think that LK owned the property and MB was merely leasing the barn or was her hired trainer? Or did he think that LK’s contract or agreement with MB did not forbid her from going to the barn whenever she wished? And where in the world would he have gotten that impression? From LK herself? (Remember how adamant she and RG were about referring to the farmhouse as “their porch, their property”?)

Or LK thought the DA felt this way… But was misunderstanding or misconstruing shat was determined.

Or did LK have Daddy contact the DA and tell him that the mean trainer wasn’t letting Daughter Dearest in the barn? Let’s face it - he had no compunction about emailing the JUDGE in charge of his daughter’s lawsuit, so I can easily believe he was contacting everyone in LE in that jurisdiction, including the DA and possibly/probably even the PD. And if that is the case, then could that be where the DA, etc., was getting the idea that it was the K’s property and MB was nothing more than a hired employee or lessee?

I think almost anything is a possibility with people who’ve demonstrated that they will lie a lot, and also do things that most people would never attempt as a means to their own ends. So LK could have fabricated the whole thing about the DA, or JK could have contacted the DA right off the bat with false information, or anything in between.

I will say that when I watched the video of the trial again recently, I did notice that the prosecutor looked pretty damp. In hindsight, I wonder if he was sweating bullets about having any specific information pop up during the testimony, or if it was just a result of him seeing how his star witness was coming across to the jury.

[Warmblood1]

Re: LK showing shortly prior to Aug 7th

I’m really not surprised that they did show. How do you handle a ticking bomb? MB had hundreds of thousands of dollars in assets at the farm, many very nice horses - I’m sure several in the 6 figures considering their training level, millions invested in barns, an indoor arena, miscellaneous property, etc. I’m sure the tack room contents were 5, possibly 6 figures alone. There was a lot at stake for MB and everyone to lose.

At this point, MB sees LK for who she is and as we know, was terrified. Does he pour fuel on the fire and refuse to take her to a show? Or does he comply like the prisoner in his own home that he is?

At this point, I’m sure MB thought she was capable of anything. I would have been seriously concerned about a barn fire, especially since LK had already eluded to a faulty dryer. MB’s entire livelihood and life’s work could be eradicated in minutes. I think MB was absolutely trapped and was trying his best not to set the lunatic and her minion off. What a terrible and vulnerable situation to be in.

[Mondo]

@LookinForSpace

OMG, this made me smile!!! Would you believe…Maxwell Smart and the Chief! I LOVE Get Smart!!!

Missed it by THAT much.

That show was pure GOLD.

It was one of my favorites too! Loved Agent 99 and Jaime! I went to jr. high with Don Adams’s daughter, Cecily Adams. Nice girl.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I don’t see why anyone would stand around in the parking lot unless MB ordered them to stay there, as he did RC.

This made me laugh. Clearly you have never been to a barn? Standing in the parking lot, even in gross miserable weather, is totally a thing.

But… on the actually topic, the list of things that Lauren Kanarek, Jonathan Kanarek (@Inigo-montoya) and Kirby Kanarek (@Seeker1) have done/said in this (general related to Lauren boarding with Michael, etc) situation that do not make sense to the average person is very long, I think standing in a parking lot for no good reason other than to annoy Michael is very low on the list.

[Angela_Freda]

Getting her to go with them to the show, rather than leave her at the farm, since you have other clients needing your presence and need to go, would be too risky also.
So making sure that if everyone was away at a show, that she was too would be wise

[eggbutt]

But they certainly are tenacious in their wrongness!

[eggbutt]

@DownYonder

I think I missed something along the way. How was the district attorney already involved?

I’m thinking daddy got to him with his cutsey story about his innocent little girl.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

On what statements has IM been proven wrong?

I provided you screen shots of many things in a past thread, that you promptly ignored, clearly.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Warmblood1

@CurrentlyHorseless

@BrownDerby

Some of the comments here are IMO just sick. If I were the assistant trainer at a big name barn, and partners with the owner (i.e, on the same page) I would darn well be entitled to ask her to leave. They safety of my children at stake? H*ll yeah.

You wouldn’t have legal standing to end the boarding relationship or training relationship between MB and his client.

What an ironic statement. That only MB had the right to ask her to leave. And we are told we worship him. It also reeks of LK entitlement. I can imagine LK torting that only MB could ask her to leave.

Would you say the same about JH as you do MHG? JH, who also worked with clients, trained LK quite a bit according to her social media posts, but even though he directly trained her, directed worked with her, he had absolutely no say in the matter? That MB wouldn’t take his assistant trainer’s opinion (of 15 years) into consideration?

I didn’t realize MB was running a monarchy here and that we know for certain he wouldn’t take any of his associates opinions into account. What a strange assumption to make. Is this how your involvement with businesses have been? You’d be the minority.

Not only was MHG his partner, she was a business partner, involved in the workings and operations of HH. Why on earth would he not take how she felt into consideration?

These questions are rhetorical as I do not believe this is in anyway how things worked. I also know you do not know how things worked.

@CurrentlyHorseless

@smoofox

If she was riding at our big boarding barn… barn and arena closed at 10:00. Only that late as we had some shift workers. No signed waiver/paperwork - no riding. No excuses. No exceptions. The sign/notice that must be posted on the wall is not a substitute. Surprisingly enough, our boarders did not see any of those documents as a nefarious Licence to Kill. Nor did they plot against us and put up cameras and mics…

In your barn, did you require the signed waiver before the first ride or before the horse was brought in to the premises?

Did you ever wait until 16 months after the first ride to require a signed waiver?

I don’t think the document was a license to kill. There is no such thing.

But I cannot think of a rational explanation that MB would permit her to ride multiple horses for months without having required the signed liability waiver, then require her to sign a waiver on Aug 4, 2019, at which point negotiations for her departure were already under way.

You do not know if this was a waiver, first off, and you do not know if this waiver was for LK or her guest. Stop pretending to know.

It also truly does not matter if she had signed one previously, had not, if this was an updated contract, etc. If she truly felt MB was entrapping her in some sort of murder conspiracy, she should have left immediately. Instead she did not most irrational and inflammatory thing and stayed while digging further in. Her behavior was negligent and reckless.

If her training agreement was with Michael Barisone, then Michael Barisone had the responsibility to end the training relationship.

As assistant trainers, JH and MHG can convey to the head trainer their preferences to not train or interact with LK and their preferences that LK be told to leave. I don’t tell my employer what clients the firm can or can’t take on.

I think the essence of the conflict was that LK wanted to train with MB and not be relegated to the assistant trainers, and MHG wanted her gone altogether.

MB, as head trainer, needed to make a decision to tell LK to leave, as MHG wanted, or tell MHG that he was keeping LK as a client. It appears he let the conflict fester and escalate rather than making a simple choice in April or May or June or July.

On Aug 5 Tarshis finally communicated to LK that she needed to leave. It is not clear to me whether Tarshis took that step on MBs instructions or whether Tarshis and JK stepped into a vacuum left by MBs indecision.

[eggbutt]

I wonder if Cici Bauer has changed her perspective after all these months or does she still drink the Kool-aid?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

This made me laugh. Clearly you have never been to a barn? Standing in the parking lot, even in gross miserable weather, is totally a thing.

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

I don’t see why anyone would stand around in the parking lot unless MB ordered them to stay there, as he did RC.

This made me laugh. Clearly you have never been to a barn? Standing in the parking lot, even in gross miserable weather, is totally a thing.

But… on the actually topic, the list of things that Lauren Kanarek, Jonathan Kanarek (@Inigo-montoya) and Kirby Kanarek (@Seeker1) have done/said in this (general related to Lauren boarding with Michael, etc) situation that do not make sense to the average person is very long, I think standing in a parking lot for no good reason other than to annoy Michael is very low on the list.

You and I are very different people. Yes, I have boarded horses at barns. If I’m not actively interacting with my horse or the other boarders, I leave! I don’t stand around in the parking lot, even in good weather.

In this case, they were standing in the parking lot waiting for the police to arrive after MB asked them to sign some documents and MB called 911 when they declined.

[MHM]

@Angela_Freda

Getting her to go with them to the show, rather than leave her at the farm, since you have other clients needing your presence and need to go, would be too risky also.
So making sure that if everyone was away at a show, that she was too would be wise

I was looking at it more from the perspective of LK’s claims. She had been posting that she was scared to death of MB, and she was afraid her horses were going to get hurt, and she was not getting the services she was paying for, or whatever other nonsense she invented.

So at that point, she wanted to go to a show with MB and his crew anyway? Seriously??

I’m also still thinking about the poor people who had the stalls near them at that show. That had to be no fun.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

On what statements has IM been proven wrong?

I provided you screen shots of many things in a past thread, that you promptly ignored, clearly.

Yes, I remember. You’d claim he said “yadda, yadda, yadda”, and then when the screenshot came up, it would turn out he had actually said something different.

Don’t bother with screenshots on my account. I’m not aware of anything he’s said that’s been clearly refuted.

[smoofox]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Given the timing and the ugly situation at HH and MBs statement that he would get LK to be begging to leave by making things miserable for her, I suspect that the documents MB wanted her to sign, and called 911 when she refused to sign, were changing the terms of their contract in a way advantageous to him and disadvantageous to her, rather than asking her to renew a liability waiver she had previously signed.

Oh the irony. She had been making things miserable for everyone at the barn - by her own boasting, gleeful comments all over SM. She bragged about it!!

And one more time, for those in the back who still do not seem to understand this, he did nt call 911 simply because they refused to sign - but because of their aberrant behavior when asked to sign.

When you have merrily laid waste to the atmosphere of a barn and affected that business… having new terms that may seek to address that would make perfect sense. It would still not be the alleged Licence to Kill that LK was suggesting…

[Angela_Freda]

True, uncomfortable any way you look at it, or however removed from the epicenter

[avjudge]

@Angela_Freda

But off the record, how enforcable would anything from the DA actually be?

Obviously an informal opinion expressed to an acquaintance wouldn’t be enforceable. But if there was any truth to her post that she thought the DA had said this, it would definitely increase her sense of entitlement, if it was even possible to increase that.

Aargh, now I’m getting all mixed up — and had to scroll back to remember the context in which the DA came up (when I should be washing windows — is it any wonder that I’m procrastinating by reading CotH instead?). I thought she had said something about the DA to the police, but now I see she’s claiming the DA had repeatedly told MB he could not block her from the barn. Huh. And then she stated that the police

reminded MB he could not restrict barn hours

which if true (I know, a big if) makes me really wonder what was going on in that police department (I know, we are all wondering that).

ETA: It strikes me that if it’s true that any authority figures were telling MB he could not keep them out of the barn, when he was desperately looking for a way to keep everything/everyone he cared about safe from them, he must have felt that there was no place to turn for help. I can imagine how that would have added to his mental anguish!

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@smoofox

And one more time, for those in the back who still do not seem to understand this, he did nt call 911 simply because they refused to sign - but because of their aberrant behavior when asked to sign.

Yes, the aberrant behavior was RG staring directly at MB from the parking lot and filming MB with his phone while waiting for the police to arrive in response to MBs 911 call.

Would the staring and filming have occurred if MB had not engaged them by demanding they sign the documents?

[MHM]

@avjudge

which if true (I know, a big if) makes me really wonder what was going on in that police department (I know, we are all wondering that).

Yes, I’d like to see the law on the books that says a business owner can’t set their own hours. Does that mean I could go to the bank in that town at 2 AM and demand service?