Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@MorganSercu

I bet LK told everyone at the police station and JK told all his attorney connections that LK was the owner/lesser of that property and MB was someone who had no right to record her activities.

That is the only way any of the police’s actions, and the lifetime training for Jay-T, and RG’s continued commentary about how the house belonged to them, makes any sense.

RG and LK were legal tenants living in the farmhouse when she was shot. It was their residence at the time because that’s where they were residing.

One can can refer to their current residence as “their home” without implying that are the legal owners of the physical structure.
I refer to “my apartment” all the time. It’s my residence and my home, even though I don’t own it.

[Ghazzu]

@BigMama1

The details of them stalking MHG’s children are chilling. I had forgotten just how far they went

Sending friend requests on SM is particularly creepy.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@lazaret

@hut-ho78

she had no legal role in the business.

That has literally no meaning. There’s millions of people listed on LLCs and partnerships and have nothing to do with running a business, and millions more who do have decision making capacity in a business but are not a legal owner or “employee”. There’s no such thing as a “legal role in the business” except for who has to pay taxes. That’s it. This gets litigated literally daily, by the way.

Interesting that you claim to know who was or was not paying board on “8-9” horses you all say are “hers.”

You do know that anyone alleging to have information about events or persons involved in a civil case can be subpoenaed, right?

It would sure be a waste of time and money, though, as you’ve said repeatedly that you’re not an insider then spewed information that couldn’t be known by the average bystander as if they are facts. Interesting.

MB owned the training business, Michael Barisone Dressage, LLC. Was MHG part owner of MBD, LLC?

LK was living there, boarding her horses, and training under an agreement between her and MB. It’s not clear if there was a written agreement, but whatever agreement she had was with MB or MBD,LLC.

How does MHG have the authority to end the agreement between MB and LK, other than to pressure MB to end it?

There was extensive discussion earlier in the threads about the financial situation at the barn before the shooting. The outcome of the discussion was that there were many horses associated with MHG that were not generating board payments. In the 48 Hours interview, MB acknowledged that he gave LK the sweet deal because he had bills to pay.

I doubt Hut-Ho is worried about being subpoenaed because she has “information” garnered from reading COTH.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

@MorganSercu

I bet LK told everyone at the police station and JK told all his attorney connections that LK was the owner/lesser of that property and MB was someone who had no right to record her activities.

That is the only way any of the police’s actions, and the lifetime training for Jay-T, and RG’s continued commentary about how the house belonged to them, makes any sense.

RG and LK were legal tenants living in the farmhouse when she was shot. It was their residence at the time because that’s where they were residing.

One can can refer to their current residence as “their home” without implying that are the legal owners of the physical structure.
I refer to “my apartment” all the time. It’s my residence and my home, even though I don’t own it.

They had tenancy rights due to living there over 30 days.

I wouldn’t necessarily term them as legal tenants.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

Up after a fretful, painful night to see the back and forth with deniers and excusers continues.

I wonder what the mom and pop strategy is now to refuse to obey? Maybe leave the country again? Perhaps it truly is time to subpoena all those LK shared the recordings and perhaps police reports with!

Unless you see new motions for contempt or new motions to compel, that would suggest everyone is complying.

[yaya]

@MHM

@yaya

. (I think that would be more a show management thing than DF/EF, but whatever.)

Is the show management supposed to know the complete competition history of every exhibitor at their show? And whether they are trying for their Bronze in any given class?

No, but when I was managing shows, I always tried to schedule riders with different judges (if we had two) just in case they were going for medals.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@lazaret

@hut-ho78

she had no legal role in the business.

That has literally no meaning. There’s millions of people listed on LLCs and partnerships and have nothing to do with running a business, and millions more who do have decision making capacity in a business but are not a legal owner or “employee”. There’s no such thing as a “legal role in the business” except for who has to pay taxes. That’s it. This gets litigated literally daily, by the way.

Interesting that you claim to know who was or was not paying board on “8-9” horses you all say are “hers.”

You do know that anyone alleging to have information about events or persons involved in a civil case can be subpoenaed, right?

It would sure be a waste of time and money, though, as you’ve said repeatedly that you’re not an insider then spewed information that couldn’t be known by the average bystander as if they are facts. Interesting.

MB owned the training business, Michael Barisone Dressage, LLC. Was MHG part owner of MBD, LLC?

LK was living there, boarding her horses, and training under an agreement between her and MB. It’s not clear if there was a written agreement, but whatever agreement she had was with MB or MBD,LLC.

How does MHG have the authority to end the agreement between MB and LK, other than to pressure MB to end it?

There was extensive discussion earlier in the threads about the financial situation at the barn before the shooting. The outcome of the discussion was that there were many horses associated with MHG that were not generating board payments. In the 48 Hours interview, MB acknowledged that he gave LK the sweet deal because he had bills to pay.

I doubt Hut-Ho is worried about being subpoenaed because she has “information” garnered from reading COTH.

MHG had whatever authority MB wanted her to have.

Your narrative of money issues is not truthful. And the continued obsession with MHGs financial ties to MB and their arrangements is not at all relevant to the case. It’s a distraction on your part. Not legit. A tool to avoiding the actual culprit LK and her heinous actions and plotted nefarious course of abuse, revenge, harassment and self enrichment IN MY OPINION.

[hut-ho78]

@lazaret

@hut-ho78

she had no legal role in the business.

That has literally no meaning. There’s millions of people listed on LLCs and partnerships and have nothing to do with running a business, and millions more who do have decision making capacity in a business but are not a legal owner or “employee”. There’s no such thing as a “legal role in the business” except for who has to pay taxes. That’s it. This gets litigated literally daily, by the way.

Interesting that you claim to know who was or was not paying board on “8-9” horses you all say are “hers.”

You do know that anyone alleging to have information about events or persons involved in a civil case can be subpoenaed, right?

It would sure be a waste of time and money, though, as you’ve said repeatedly that you’re not an insider then spewed information that couldn’t be known by the average bystander as if they are facts. Interesting.

MHG testified to that. Try listening to her testimony at least once.

[hut-ho78]

@Angela_Freda

@hut-ho78

MHG was not yet in partnership with MB. She did not contribute to his income. She did not pay rent or board for herself or her 8-9 horses. She was not in a position to make decisions about boarders as she had no legal role in the business.

Says who?

MHG in court testimony. Try watching it on YouTube or listening on the new podcast.

[hut-ho78]

@Angela_Freda

@hut-ho78

It’s pretty hard to think MB was telling them to leave when they went to a show, a MP clinic, and had another show scheduled when she was shot.

I thought the clinic was at HH.

If it was an event open to observers that makes HH a public area.

[hut-ho78]

@OntheFnce

@Angela_Freda

@hut-ho78

It’s pretty hard to think MB was telling them to leave when they went to a show, a MP clinic, and had another show scheduled when she was shot.

I thought the clinic was at HH.

Hut-ho clearly knows nothing about showing with a BNT. Horse showing is always scheduled/planned ahead of the season. They generally schedule x number of shows within a circuit, so the HITS show that they were scheduled to show (including stalls) had already been entered and the clinic at HH would have also been scheduled in advance The trainer will sit down with you and plan out your season prior to the start.

So he invited her to come in 2018, worked out a deal for 2019, planned all the show season, told Dr Schlesinger he needed her money, but was trying to get rid of her for how long?

[hut-ho78]

@Paint_Party

@Angela_Freda

@hut-ho78

MHG was not yet in partnership with MB. She did not contribute to his income. She did not pay rent or board for herself or her 8-9 horses. She was not in a position to make decisions about boarders as she had no legal role in the business.

Says who?

Yeah, this seems like a lot of nuts’n bolts kind of information that’s not public knowledge. Plus, it reads like declarative statements that have been spoon fed to the poster. In my opinion.

At both my previous barn and my current one (both show and training barns), the romantic/personal partners of the trainer certainly did help make decisions on whether an annoying client stayed or was asked to leave. That’s why they’re in a relationship: because they trust and rely on each other’s input.

Testimony in court. Trying watching YouTube or listening.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Angela_Freda

@hut-ho78

It’s pretty hard to think MB was telling them to leave when they went to a show, a MP clinic, and had another show scheduled when she was shot.

I thought the clinic was at HH.

If it was an event open to observers that makes HH a public area.

Wrong. No more than having a yard sale makes a private residence a public area.

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

@MorganSercu

I bet LK told everyone at the police station and JK told all his attorney connections that LK was the owner/lesser of that property and MB was someone who had no right to record her activities.

That is the only way any of the police’s actions, and the lifetime training for Jay-T, and RG’s continued commentary about how the house belonged to them, makes any sense.

RG and LK were legal tenants living in the farmhouse when she was shot. It was their residence at the time because that’s where they were residing.

One can can refer to their current residence as “their home” without implying that are the legal owners of the physical structure.
I refer to “my apartment” all the time. It’s my residence and my home, even though I don’t own it.

They had tenancy rights due to living there over 30 days.

I wouldn’t necessarily term them as legal tenants.

It depends on whether you believe MB had the legal right to invite them to live there. SGF is trying to say he didn’t except MBD also owned a part of SGF.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

They had tenancy rights due to living there over 30 days.

I wouldn’t necessarily term them as legal tenants.

I’m referring to them as legal tenants because they had tenancy rights.

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@lazaret

@hut-ho78

she had no legal role in the business.

That has literally no meaning. There’s millions of people listed on LLCs and partnerships and have nothing to do with running a business, and millions more who do have decision making capacity in a business but are not a legal owner or “employee”. There’s no such thing as a “legal role in the business” except for who has to pay taxes. That’s it. This gets litigated literally daily, by the way.

Interesting that you claim to know who was or was not paying board on “8-9” horses you all say are “hers.”

You do know that anyone alleging to have information about events or persons involved in a civil case can be subpoenaed, right?

It would sure be a waste of time and money, though, as you’ve said repeatedly that you’re not an insider then spewed information that couldn’t be known by the average bystander as if they are facts. Interesting.

MB owned the training business, Michael Barisone Dressage, LLC. Was MHG part owner of MBD, LLC?

LK was living there, boarding her horses, and training under an agreement between her and MB. It’s not clear if there was a written agreement, but whatever agreement she had was with MB or MBD,LLC.

How does MHG have the authority to end the agreement between MB and LK, other than to pressure MB to end it?

There was extensive discussion earlier in the threads about the financial situation at the barn before the shooting. The outcome of the discussion was that there were many horses associated with MHG that were not generating board payments. In the 48 Hours interview, MB acknowledged that he gave LK the sweet deal because he had bills to pay.

I doubt Hut-Ho is worried about being subpoenaed because she has “information” garnered from reading COTH.

MHG had whatever authority MB wanted her to have.

Your narrative of money issues is not truthful. And the continued obsession with MHGs financial ties to MB and their arrangements is not at all relevant to the case. It’s a distraction on your part. Not legit. A tool to avoiding the actual culprit LK and her heinous actions and plotted nefarious course of abuse, revenge, harassment and self enrichment IN MY OPINION.

It was testified to in court. I’m being truthful. MHG read actual texts. Dr Schlesinger’s comment was legally hearsay.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

So he invited her to come in 2018, worked out a deal for 2019, planned all the show season, told Dr Schlesinger he needed her money, but was trying to get rid of her for how long?

Trying to get rid of her even before returning to NJ but JK threatened MB because JK didn’t want to be stuck with her either since she wasn’t allowed in JKs home and she had to recover in a hotel room evidences.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@lazaret

@hut-ho78

she had no legal role in the business.

That has literally no meaning. There’s millions of people listed on LLCs and partnerships and have nothing to do with running a business, and millions more who do have decision making capacity in a business but are not a legal owner or “employee”. There’s no such thing as a “legal role in the business” except for who has to pay taxes. That’s it. This gets litigated literally daily, by the way.

Interesting that you claim to know who was or was not paying board on “8-9” horses you all say are “hers.”

You do know that anyone alleging to have information about events or persons involved in a civil case can be subpoenaed, right?

It would sure be a waste of time and money, though, as you’ve said repeatedly that you’re not an insider then spewed information that couldn’t be known by the average bystander as if they are facts. Interesting.

MB owned the training business, Michael Barisone Dressage, LLC. Was MHG part owner of MBD, LLC?

LK was living there, boarding her horses, and training under an agreement between her and MB. It’s not clear if there was a written agreement, but whatever agreement she had was with MB or MBD,LLC.

How does MHG have the authority to end the agreement between MB and LK, other than to pressure MB to end it?

There was extensive discussion earlier in the threads about the financial situation at the barn before the shooting. The outcome of the discussion was that there were many horses associated with MHG that were not generating board payments. In the 48 Hours interview, MB acknowledged that he gave LK the sweet deal because he had bills to pay.

I doubt Hut-Ho is worried about being subpoenaed because she has “information” garnered from reading COTH.

MHG had whatever authority MB wanted her to have.

Your narrative of money issues is not truthful. And the continued obsession with MHGs financial ties to MB and their arrangements is not at all relevant to the case. It’s a distraction on your part. Not legit. A tool to avoiding the actual culprit LK and her heinous actions and plotted nefarious course of abuse, revenge, harassment and self enrichment IN MY OPINION.

It was testified to in court. I’m being truthful. MHG read actual texts. Dr Schlesinger’s comment was legally hearsay.

MHG testified that as far as finances there was nothing irregular and that they “always made it work”.

[hut-ho78]

I see it’s the same old the judge is wrong, LE is wrong, court testimony is wrong, the prosecutor is wrong, everyone lied responses. I believe MHG was truthful on the stand but then I don’t know her.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

And the continued obsession with MHGs financial ties to MB and their arrangements is not at all relevant to the case.

The central players in this tragedy are: MB, LK, MHG, RG, and RC.