Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

They had tenancy rights due to living there over 30 days.

I wouldn’t necessarily term them as legal tenants.

I’m referring to them as legal tenants because they had tenancy rights.

Tenancy rights doesn’t make them legal tenants so you would be wrong. Sure it’s a convenience for you to slip misleading terms in there. If a squatter breaks into an abandoned house and is there over 30 days the law gives them tenancy rights, but they are not legal tenants.

Don’t mislead.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

I see it’s the same old the judge is wrong, LE is wrong, court testimony is wrong, the prosecutor is wrong, everyone lied responses. I believe MHG was truthful on the stand but then I don’t know her.

You are misleading as to MHGs testimony. She said they always made it work. That would imply there was no great financial emergency.

But here’s the kicker: IT DOESN’T MATTER EVEN IF THERE WAS. LK doesn’t get additional relevancy because she paid MB for services. It didn’t buy her extra rights. I don’t understand the obsession by you and a few posters to present that it does.

LK was a horrible student/boarder/occupant. Her narcissistic behavior and tendencies (she wrote on COTH she’s a narcissist) made her continued presence there untenable. She violated law (testified to), abused people, filed false reports, etc.

And not for nothing, she could have been paying MB $5 million a month and it still wouldn’t be worth it to put up with her crap.

IMHO

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

So he invited her to come in 2018, worked out a deal for 2019, planned all the show season, told Dr Schlesinger he needed her money, but was trying to get rid of her for how long?

Trying to get rid of her even before returning to NJ but JK threatened MB because JK didn’t want to be stuck with her either since she wasn’t allowed in JKs home and she had to recover in a hotel room evidences.

In the 48 Hours interview, Michael Barisone himself stated that he gave LK a sweet deal and that he did so because he had bills to pay.

This idea that JK threatened MB and coerced him into offering LK the apartment is something made up to attempt to excuse MB from having set up the arrangement that he did with LK.

MB is not criminally responsible for having shot her. Why is it important to you to ridiculously claim that he’s not responsible for taking her on as a client and permitting her to live in the apartment?

[OntheFnce]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

I see it’s the same old the judge is wrong, LE is wrong, court testimony is wrong, the prosecutor is wrong, everyone lied responses. I believe MHG was truthful on the stand but then I don’t know her.

You are misleading as to MHGs testimony. She said they always made it work. That would imply there was no great financial emergency.

But here’s the kicker: IT DOESN’T MATTER EVEN IF THERE WAS. LK doesn’t get additional relevancy because she paid MB for services. It didn’t buy her extra rights. I don’t understand the obsession by you and a few posters to present that it does.

LK was a horrible student/boarder/occupant. Her narcissistic behavior and tendencies (she wrote on COTH she’s a narcissist) made her continued presence there untenable. She violated law (testified to), abused people, filed false reports, etc.

And not for nothing, she could have been paying MB $5 million a month and it still wouldn’t be worth it to put up with her crap.

IMHO

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[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

In the 48 Hours interview, Michael Barisone himself stated that he gave LK a sweet deal and that he did so because he had bills to pay

So what? Even if we say OK he was broke what difference does it make? Even if we assume he took her because he needed the money (lord knows it wasn’t her talent or work ethic which got her in) that doesn’t give her license to do all the reprehensible things she did.

[Angela_Freda]

@hut-ho78

Testimony in court. Trying watching YouTube or listening.

Well, keep trying.

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The central players in this tragedy are: MB, LK, MHG, RG, and RC.

… JK and KK

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

They had tenancy rights due to living there over 30 days.

I wouldn’t necessarily term them as legal tenants.

I’m referring to them as legal tenants because they had tenancy rights.

Tenancy rights doesn’t make them legal tenants so you would be wrong. Sure it’s a convenience for you to slip misleading terms in there. If a squatter breaks into an abandoned house and is there over 30 days the law gives them tenancy rights, but they are not legal tenants.

Don’t mislead.

OK, KM. I think I understand the distinction. Thank you.

They had tenancy rights because they had been there over thirty days.

I believe they were also legal tenants because MB agreed to let them reside in the apartment, as he stated in the 48 Hours interview.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

And not for nothing, she could have been paying MB $5 million a month and it still wouldn’t be worth it to put up with her crap.

$5 million. That’s an interesting figure.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

OK, KM. I think I understand the distinction. Thank you.

They had tenancy rights because they had been there over thirty days.

I believe they were also legal tenants because MB agreed to let them reside in the apartment, as he stated in the 48 Hours interview.

Can you have legal tenants without a lease in NJ? I’m not sure on that.

Can you have legal tenants in a domicile that isn’t a multi occupancy (2+ family) dwelling in NJ? Not sure.

Are they legal tenants if there is no lease and they overstayed after being told to leave in NJ? Not sure.

Can they be legal tenants in a domicile deemed unfit for human habitation? Don’t know.

Are they legal tenants without the permission, knowledge and authorization of ALL owners? Don’t know.

I’m not assuming they were legal tenants as I’m not versed in NJ law and there are so many elements to the situation to be sure.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

And not for nothing, she could have been paying MB $5 million a month and it still wouldn’t be worth it to put up with her crap.

$5 million. That’s an interesting figure.

Oh yes it’s indicative of some super secret knowledge which you obviously find provocative which actually would out you more than I. But hey, go for it. Assume away!

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

In the 48 Hours interview, Michael Barisone himself stated that he gave LK a sweet deal and that he did so because he had bills to pay

So what? Even if we say OK he was broke what difference does it make? Even if we assume he took her because he needed the money (lord knows it wasn’t her talent or work ethic which got her in) that doesn’t give her license to do all the reprehensible things she did.

So what?

1. It contradicts your nasty claim that JK threatened MB in order to coerce him into letting LK live in the apartment.
2. While $5,000 a month is not huge amount, if it made the difference between barely covering bills and racking up more debt each month, it potentially explains why he would not want her to leave until he had other boarders to replace that income. Not want her to leave despite the intense pressure from MHG to get rid of her.

[SillyHorse]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

And not for nothing, she could have been paying MB $5 million a month and it still wouldn’t be worth it to put up with her crap.

$5 million. That’s an interesting figure.

How so? What do you find so interesting about it?

[jvanrens]

@hut-ho78

Testimony in court. Trying watching YouTube or listening.

Listening to it, interesting to note that maybe everyone who said the basement apartment only had one means of egress should too, as MHG testified that there was access to the main living area for the upstairs and the working student area in the basement.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I have read Ekat’s timeline.

The same way you read the police report mentioned earlier? Or some other way?

@DownYonder

@trubandloki

So, @CurrentlyHorseless, have you read the police report?

I’m desperately trying to catch up but am wondering if there was ever a reply to this question. ???

Just CH insisting they are not going to answer that question.

@CurrentlyHorseless

Unless you see new motions for contempt or new motions to compel, that would suggest everyone is complying.

Wow, that would be a unique and different way for the Kanarek family to do somthing.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

In the 48 Hours interview, Michael Barisone himself stated that he gave LK a sweet deal and that he did so because he had bills to pay

So what? Even if we say OK he was broke what difference does it make? Even if we assume he took her because he needed the money (lord knows it wasn’t her talent or work ethic which got her in) that doesn’t give her license to do all the reprehensible things she did.

So what?

1. It contradicts your nasty claim that JK threatened MB in order to coerce him into letting LK live in the apartment.

Nasty claim? Wrong. Documented claim. Inconvenient yet factual.

2. While $5,000 a month is not huge amount, if it made the difference between barely covering bills and racking up more debt each month, it potentially explains why he would not want her to leave until he had other boarders to replace that income. Not want her to leave despite the intense pressure from MHG to get rid of her.

Supporting that many horses, living accommodations, utilities, added expenses from the daily and ongoing trauma she was imposing daily like a night guard, etc. There was NEVER any mention of trying to get boarders to fill her spot so quit making things up. Besides how could you tell a new boarder when to come when you couldn’t get Miss Thang, Cujo and the Male to leave? Plus, now clinics were being cancelled, other boarders were leaving. Yeah, she was a treasure alright.

Bolding mine.

[OntheFnce]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

In the 48 Hours interview, Michael Barisone himself stated that he gave LK a sweet deal and that he did so because he had bills to pay

So what? Even if we say OK he was broke what difference does it make? Even if we assume he took her because he needed the money (lord knows it wasn’t her talent or work ethic which got her in) that doesn’t give her license to do all the reprehensible things she did.

So what?

1. It contradicts your nasty claim that JK threatened MB in order to coerce him into letting LK live in the apartment.

Nasty claim? Wrong. Documented claim. Inconvenient yet factual.

2. While $5,000 a month is not huge amount, if it made the difference between barely covering bills and racking up more debt each month, it potentially explains why he would not want her to leave until he had other boarders to replace that income. Not want her to leave despite the intense pressure from MHG to get rid of her.

Supporting that many horses, living accommodations, utilities, added expenses from the daily and ongoing trauma she was imposing daily like a night guard, etc. There was NEVER any mention of trying to get boarders to fill her spot so quit making things up. Besides how could you tell a new boarder when to come when you couldn’t get Miss Thang, Cujo and the Male to leave? Plus, now clinics were being cancelled, other boarders were leaving. Yeah, she was a treasure alright.

Bolding mine.

And because CH is currently horseless, it seems she has no clue how much a BNT charges for monthly board. I suggest CH shop around for board rates. BNT for H/J will be charging a minimum of 5k per month PER HORSE in Wellington. That would be to the tune of $30k per month for Ms. K.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

In the 48 Hours interview, Michael Barisone himself stated that he gave LK a sweet deal and that he did so because he had bills to pay

So what? Even if we say OK he was broke what difference does it make? Even if we assume he took her because he needed the money (lord knows it wasn’t her talent or work ethic which got her in) that doesn’t give her license to do all the reprehensible things she did.

So what?

1. It contradicts your nasty claim that JK threatened MB in order to coerce him into letting LK live in the apartment.

Nasty claim? Wrong. Documented claim. Inconvenient yet factual.

2. While $5,000 a month is not huge amount, if it made the difference between barely covering bills and racking up more debt each month, it potentially explains why he would not want her to leave until he had other boarders to replace that income. Not want her to leave despite the intense pressure from MHG to get rid of her.

Supporting that many horses, living accommodations, utilities, added expenses from the daily and ongoing trauma she was imposing daily like a night guard, etc. There was NEVER any mention of trying to get boarders to fill her spot so quit making things up. Besides how could you tell a new boarder when to come when you couldn’t get Miss Thang, Cujo and the Male to leave? Plus, now clinics were being cancelled, other boarders were leaving. Yeah, she was a treasure alright.

Bolding mine.

What is the documentation that JK threatened MB to force him to let LK live in the apartment? I admit I missed that.

[CindyB59]

Honestly, if I was on the verge of financial ruin, losing everything, etc? I’d choose that over having a tenant/boarder/client like LK and her sidekick.

And just based on average board, lessons, training - much less a facility like HH - you’re looking at $2-3,000 per horse per month. Variables do apply, how many lessons, training rides, etc. But $5k for 3-4 horses is a bargain. He wasn’t paying off debt on the “profit” at that rate.

[BigMama1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

How does MHG have the authority to end the agreement between MB and LK,

MHG has whatever authority MB grants her when it comes the barn. He can put anyone in change of any aspect of the business he wants to.