Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[Warmblood1]

@EADoug

@Warmblood1

Also imagine the jurors thinking the lengths they would also go to to protect their own children in this situation. SMH.

I cried when I accidentally pulled of a spider’s leg when attempting to relocate it to a different corner of the room.

I am first to admit that I have no idea what I would be capable of if someone threatened my child’s safety or my custody of my child. I know I’d throw myself in front of a bus of I thought it would save his life. I could imagine a scenario where I would critically injure someone if needed.

My thoughts exactly. You just don’t go after someone’s livelihood and children and expect zero repercussions. The things I’d do for my own would be absolutely savage.

@erinmeri

Replying to self… I now want to go back and watch other testimony about common spaces, Lauren’s locker, where conversations were held, and the recording devices… because if anything, that video made me realize how vast that club room was. Seems unlikely Lauren’s “locker recorder” could have recorded ANYTHING from the clubhouse or office.

I seriously don’t think there is a device on the market, let alone at a Home Depot or Lowe’s, that would pick up a conversation from the locker in a helmet to the office with a closed door. Fortunately, they can find the model she used and test the device’s capabilities.

@lazaret

It doesn’t matter what she said or doesn’t say because there’s no such thing as a “legal role in the business” outside of being an owner or key employee, which are legal definitions.

She rode, trained, competed and did god knows what else to support the business.
All these activities bring revenue to a horse business. You ride (train) client horses, that’s $$. You teach clients, that’s $$. You bring up horses that go on to sell, that’s $$. You compete and win, that’s not only prize $$, but $$ earned by attracting clients, owners and sponsors.

^ this is as much a role in the business as any other.

It would be completely typical for an owner’s romantic partner to be working in or for the business but not be a compensated employee. The endless fixation on MB’s perceived financial troubles and divorce is frankly super weird.

I think it’s one of LK’s main, delusional arguments. That MB desperately needed LK financially (ha) and lured the precious thing into a trap. LaLa tried to repeatedly make the claim that she was essentially forced to come to this farm, as if she didn’t willingly move in and bring her horses herself. Absolutely no accountability.

[Angela_Freda]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Jay T was a horse owned by Barisone, occupying a stall and eating hay. If Barisone sold Jay-T to LK for $40,000, with the provision that Barisone would not charge LK for board the horse, the change in ownership does not increase MBs monthly costs at all. In the meantime, he gets a $40,000 lump sum payment.

How old was JayT at the time?

[erinmeri]

@OntheFnce

I know someone who just leased their hunter pony out for WEF for $100k.

Color me not shocked at all!

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Warmblood1

@EADoug

@Warmblood1

Also imagine the jurors thinking the lengths they would also go to to protect their own children in this situation. SMH.

I cried when I accidentally pulled of a spider’s leg when attempting to relocate it to a different corner of the room.

I am first to admit that I have no idea what I would be capable of if someone threatened my child’s safety or my custody of my child. I know I’d throw myself in front of a bus of I thought it would save his life. I could imagine a scenario where I would critically injure someone if needed.

My thoughts exactly. You just don’t go after someone’s livelihood and children and expect zero repercussions. The things I’d do for my own would be absolutely savage.

@erinmeri

Replying to self… I now want to go back and watch other testimony about common spaces, Lauren’s locker, where conversations were held, and the recording devices… because if anything, that video made me realize how vast that club room was. Seems unlikely Lauren’s “locker recorder” could have recorded ANYTHING from the clubhouse or office.

I seriously don’t think there is a device on the market, let alone at a Home Depot or Lowe’s, that would pick up a conversation from the locker in a helmet to the office with a closed door. Fortunately, they can find the model she used and test the device’s capabilities.

@lazaret

It doesn’t matter what she said or doesn’t say because there’s no such thing as a “legal role in the business” outside of being an owner or key employee, which are legal definitions.

She rode, trained, competed and did god knows what else to support the business.
All these activities bring revenue to a horse business. You ride (train) client horses, that’s $$. You teach clients, that’s $$. You bring up horses that go on to sell, that’s $$. You compete and win, that’s not only prize $$, but $$ earned by attracting clients, owners and sponsors.

^ this is as much a role in the business as any other.

It would be completely typical for an owner’s romantic partner to be working in or for the business but not be a compensated employee. The endless fixation on MB’s perceived financial troubles and divorce is frankly super weird.

I think it’s one of LK’s main, delusional arguments. That MB desperately needed LK financially (ha) and lured the precious thing into a trap. LaLa tried to repeatedly make the claim that she was essentially forced to come to this farm, as if she didn’t willingly move in and bring her horses herself. Absolutely no accountability.

MB couldn’t force LK to move to the farm any more than JK could force MB to let LK live in the farmhouse.

MB and LK mutually agreed on the deal for $5,000 initially, then the deal expanded with the renovation work and the purchase of Jay-T.

I cannot understand why MB was so reluctant to tell LK to leave or to evict her unless there was some financial benefit to MB to having her stay.

[Angela_Freda]

@Rubyroo

You just moved the goal posts because this conversation started by someone saying that Michael’s girlfriend had the authority to ask boarders to leave permanently and take their horses elsewhere without Michael’s knowledge or permission. This was not a discussion about training until you just mentioned it in the post quoted above

[Warmblood1]

No one can understand why you still continue to believe MB didn’t tell her to leave. He had a legal obligation to tell her to leave prior to formal eviction.

Everyone but you believes he told her to leave.

[Ghazzu]

I expect it is highly unlikely that there was not a net monthly loss associated w/ LK’s 4 horses.

[Warmblood1]

Has anyone ever heard of anyone selling someone a horse but still agreeing to pay for all of the horse’s care?

In my lifetime, I have not.

[Warmblood1]

@Ghazzu

I expect it is highly unlikely that there was not a net monthly loss associated w/ LK’s 4 horses.

Totally agree. I’ve managed many equestrian facilities - I do not see how it would be possible at MB’s level of care to make any sort of profit on 4 horses in full training for 5k a month.

I can not even see how he’d make a profit off simply boarding the horses and not paying assistant trainers to train her. We know for certain she was being trained by JH and MHG.

[Angela_Freda]

@CindyB59

*Edit to add…breaking even is not most business peoples goals. Or even us working stiffs. I preferred to earn more than just paying my bills. Unique concept?

Yep, in fact it wasn’t how MB rolled
According to Tarshis he was quite smart about making money, rare among horsemen.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

MB couldn’t force LK to move to the farm any more than JK could force MB to let LK live in the farmhouse.

JK threatened MB with a lawsuit to let LK live there. FACT.

[erinmeri]

@lazaret

Dressage schoolmasters are a little different - they don’t lease for the super big bucks unless they are a very competitive FEI Jr/YR or U25 horse. A schoolmaster just to learn the ropes on that would not be really competitive could well be in the 10s a year plus all costs, and maintenance costs on them are often steep after a competitive career.

Really? My quirky, tough, but awesome mare was in the mid 10s, lease fee only, with a cap on jumping at 3’. A schoolmaster would be multiples of that, even with a cap. A schoolmaster with no cap? I shudder to think.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Warmblood1

No one can understand why you still continue to believe MB didn’t tell her to leave. He had a legal obligation to tell her to leave prior to formal eviction.

Everyone but you believes he told her to leave.

Maybe he did tell her to leave.

I’ve seen no evidence that he told her to leave prior to Tarshis emailing her on Aug 5. In the civil suit against the police there is no claim that “upon information and belief” she was asked to leave prior to Aug 5, much less evidence that he had asked her to leave.

He was determined to have been delusional, insane as of Aug 7, 2019. I don’t think someone goes from being completely sane on July 30 to legally insane on Aug 7. I think there is plenty of evidence of bizarre (insane) behavior in his actions and inaction in the weeks prior to Aug 7.

If you believe he must have asked her to leave because it just would have been insane not to, well, we’re talking about an insane person here.

[erinmeri]

@Ghazzu

I expect it is highly unlikely that there was not a net monthly loss associated w/ LK’s 4 horses.

Strongly concur.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

He was determined to have been delusional, insane as of Aug 7, 2019. I don’t think someone goes from being completely sane on July 30 to legally insane on Aug 7. I think there is plenty of evidence of bizarre (insane) behavior in his actions and inaction in the weeks prior to Aug 7.

Absolutely possible. Happens all the time.

Understanding Brief Psychotic Disorder

OR

Mental Breakdowns and Psychotic Breaks: What's the Difference?

[hut-ho78]

@Sdel

@hut-ho78

Called someone who was all over the news I was interested in by their full name? I doubt I was the first to do so.

You didn’t use a full name. You preferentially used the middle name of someone you claimed to not know.

Good for me for remembering Robert Guy Goodwin in that post. That was the third post still remaining with his name. The earlier two said Robert Guy Goodwin and said that his name was found on Lauren’s FB page. It was also commented that it was a surprise both their FB pages were still open to the public.

Let me guess. You think I have Some connection to him. Nope. Just through COTH forums and if he has posted here, I haven’t been aware.

[erinmeri]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Jay T was a horse owned by Barisone, occupying a stall and eating hay. If Barisone sold Jay-T to LK for $40,000, with the provision that Barisone would not charge LK for board the horse, the change in ownership does not increase MBs monthly costs at all. In the meantime, he gets a $40,000 lump sum payment.

You have precisely no way of knowing that.

Was Jay T being leased prior to sale? (Lease fee plus expenses covered).

Does Jay T add an additional lesson or two, and/or a pro ride to Michael, Justin, or MHG’s schedule?

Those are just two obvious questions to start.

You’re embarrassing yourself with your lack of knowledge about how show barns work.

[Angela_Freda]

Its what the owner pays for training board.

[erinmeri]

If I wasn’t previously convinced that a person presently sans equine had never been WITH equine, at least not one in any sort of program (I was!), I certainly am now. How naive.

[MHM]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@ekat

@Knights_Mom

It’s absurd to think that anyone would offer free lifetime board for a horse they sold. The horse wasn’t a reverse mortgage

I have a feeling we’ll learn more about that sale in the civil suit. My gut tells me the actual sale didn’t include things LK said it did. Shocking to think she might lie, I know.

Does your gut have inside information?

Why would I expect that deal to go cleanly when every single other deal was tainted with skankness?

Just the fact that free board was expected tells me this.

Plus other posters have just as much right as anyone else to imagine movies in their heads.

The difference is that most people who do that don’t pretend that they have factual knowledge to that effect.