Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

The defense met the burden of proof by a preponderance of evidence that MB was insane at the time. Though Mb committed the act, he is not guilty of a crime.

You can repeat this 1000 times. It changes nothing and still means nothing for the cicmvil trial.

[avjudge]

@Tazzie

I’m sorry if I totally missed it, but where does this come from? Thank you!

I see @Sdel answered you, but just to amplify, it shows up as the “manifesto” on August 6 in @ekat’s timeline, here

Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

Well, I’ve posted this timeline before, but, here it is again. Again, this is from testimony, and actual dates on posts. It formats funky when I copy it. Sorry. April 3: LK FB post about a specific business owner (not named) keeping both eyes open. “Control is the name of the game.” #BipolarNarcissist “I’m narcissistic and I have delusions of grandeur.” April 20: LK FB post that she put up cameras around the property April 26: LK FB post, Money can’t buy class, spending other people’s mo…

The manifesto has been posted in its entirety on CotH before, but not in this thread.

(ETA: Ekat posted that timeline just three days ago, but there have been many hundreds of posts since so it is not easy to find!)

[MHM]

@Sdel

@MorganSercu

Exactly how was LK capable of being “on the lookout” for troublesome texts & emails that weren’t sent directly to her?

One thought: there are spyware apps that can be put on phones that will capture texts, emails, phone calls, pictures and other things and send them to a cloud for 3rd party access. Some will even allow you to turn on the speaker of the phone and allow it to act as a remote bug and listen in to ambient surroundings. They run invisibly on the phone and cannot be found.

My husband’s ex wife used one on her current husbands phone. We know because she confronted my stepson about a call he made to him while she was on a psych hold by replaying him the phone call.

Other than that, no idea.

Yikes. Very scary.

[Ghazzu]

@Sdel

There were two parts I left off. I only posted those two because they covered recent topics…

Any chance you could send me the entire magnum opus?
I’ve seen numerous references to it, but never the whole magilla.

[Knights_Mom]

For sure there are people who will utilize every tool they can find, legality be damned, in order to win.

That’s why once you identify one of these predators you have to eliminate them from your life with as much distance as possible and you must clearly illustrate to them how targeting you is not in their best interest.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

JK threatened MB with an arduous legal process. LK confirmed that she had to force MB to allow her to live there (enforce contracts that were in writing with recorded backup) when coming back to NJ in her manifesto. You enforce contracts by engaging in an expensive arduous legal process (aka a lawsuit).

Now, the real question, what was the real agreement MB made. Since your standard of believability is LK said, why exactly are you so determined to ignore what LK said? You also seem to be very determined to ignore the many references LK made to having been recording everyone’s conversations.

No, my standard of believability is not “LK said”. She’s said plenty of stuff on SM that is inaccurate, exaggerated or untrue.

I do not think she has lied under oath in court.

I don’t approve of lying or misrepresenting things on SM, but I don’t see it as inexcusable as committing perjury.

I do not believe everything LK has posted on SM! Never said that I did.

Re bolded. I don’t think JK is an idiot. Only an idiot would threaten a trainer with a civil lawsuit if the trainer declined to accept LK as a client.

LK has said, I think, that she stated that she would not continue training with MB that spring unless the apartment was included in the deal, as it was in 2018. That’s negotiation. It’s not threatening or suing.

MB could have said, “No, no use of the apartment,” and let her walk.

If he didn’t need the extra $5,000 in income, and the opportunity to sell her more horses, and the renovation work from RG, you would think he would have said “no”.

[MHM]

@Ghazzu

Any chance you could send me the entire magnum opus?

Or post it here for everyone to see?

[Sdel]

@hut-ho78

@Angela_Freda

@hut-ho78

Back to the box of 9 mm ammunition that didn’t fit any weapons but RC’s, I hope its age and location purchased has been determined

Don’t hold your breath.
If it had been damning wouldn’t the state prosecutor trotted it out if it was available?
Shoddy investigation by this PD hurt everyone.

Nagel may follow up on it.

LE didn’t even fingerprint the box or any of the bullets from the box. Or maybe they did and found the wrong prints on the box so they never mentioned doing it. But still, fingerprints are basic, low tech forensics. No excuses.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@RHdobes563

Hire CurrentlyHorseless?

Thanks for the nomination, but I’m already gainfully employed and not willing to relocate.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Re bolded. I don’t think JK is an idiot. Only an idiot would threaten a trainer with a civil lawsuit if the trainer declined to accept LK as a client.

Surprise!! Then under your standards you have named him an idiot. Because it happened.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ninakl

That’s not how I remember it. LK had two horses. I pay $1800 a month for one horse, full training board. I’m not in New Jersey where real estate tax is astronomical. Even so, $5,000 for two horses seems fair, albeit a little low. Even with an apartment added in. Horse trainers make their money at horse shows and through sales. Remember this is pre-Covid and subsequent inflation.Also, the barn pays the farrier and I reimburse the farm. It’s part of my barn bill. This could be why MB told the farrier to not shoe her horses.

Then Symphony arrived. This was a sunk cost because I doubt she was showing, maybe suitable for lessons. $5,000 divided among three horses is ~$1700 per month. Then JayT was purchased. I’m not sure why but the other two seemed to be green so he was a vital cog in the quest for her medals. Somewhere in this timeframe the barter of work for board was negotiated.

I remember one poster from the first thread stating that she was not paying anything at the end. If so, this morphs from a marginal loss to a huge financial drain.

It would help if some would understand the hard costs of maintaining a facility like HH. It’s not just feed and bedding. There are taxes, insurance, equipment, maintenance, and little extras like toilet paper, paper towels, etc.

My discussion on this has concerned monthly cash flow and marginal costs, which are different from average costs or fixed costs.

Property taxes do not contribute to marginal costs, because the property taxes on the farm would be exactly the same regardless of whether LK had zero horses there or six.

I’m omitting things like property taxes and insurance and equipment not because I’m completely ignorant of the horse business, but because those are fixed rather than marginal costs.

If you do not understand the concept of marginal cost, and how it differs from average cost, you’re not going to understand my point. According to @erinmeri, “nobody” understood my point about marginal costs, so you’re in good company.

[Sdel]

@Ghazzu

@Sdel

There were two parts I left off. I only posted those two because they covered recent topics…

Any chance you could send me the entire magnum opus?
I’ve seen numerous references to it, but never the whole magilla.

[lazaret]

only one person was posting all over facebook with creepy allegories. And that person was neither of the people you named.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

Re bolded. I don’t think JK is an idiot. Only an idiot would threaten a trainer with a civil lawsuit if the trainer declined to accept LK as a client.

Surprise!! Then under your standards you have named him an idiot. Because it happened.

???

[Paint_Party]

She’s beautiful and a true blackity-black. You must’ve been on Santa’s good girl list!

[lazaret]

This gives credence to my theory that the Jay-T sale/terms was one that has been twisted in the time since to include lifetime board/care, since this clearly states that she, the client, wanted to keep the horse in that environment and the seller did not apparently have any such requirement.

If any of what she said here was true re: “the gf” then it stands to be asked why she’s suing the people that she is and not the gf for the intentional harm and tortious interference. Instead “the gf” has apparently successfully won a restraining order preventing “the client” from speaking about her at all.

hmmmm.

[jvanrens]

@BigMama1

We were very tempted to put him on the trailer too! Only things stopping us were (a) our husbands and (b) our empty bank accounts

That’s why you buy horses of the same colour! Most husbands (with the exception of horse husbands like mine) can’t tell them apart if they are the same colour.

[Sdel]

I’m still stuck on how anyone could think that she was the money client and imply she was his sole income. MB had more than 5 stalls and more than 1 client. He had room for a lot of horses on that farm, and only 9 of the others belonged to MHG.

[lazaret]

Mine (bless him) could not even tell the difference between my new, 17h, dark bay holsteiner with two socks and a snip, and my 16h Pinto oldenburg. This would be like looking in a garage and seeing a neon green Jeep Wrangler and a black ferrari and saying “why did you get two of the same car??”

I love him dearly, but even I was like honey, you’re going to need to get better at this.

[MHM]

That makes it easier, though. You can buy any horse you want. Not solely plain bays. Lol.