Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

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@Warmblood1

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@Warmblood1

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@Knights_Mom

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Speaking of stopping active shooters, did y’all see the condition of the active shooter in Colorado Springs after he was stopped by an army guy, combat veteran no less, and civilians who helped him? They beat him badly keeping him away from the gun and from hurting anyone else. His face looked just like someone else’s face who was stopped from finishing off the people he had come to kill.

You sound like a proud papa.

Colorado thug was beaten by 2 guys btw.

Proud papa? LOL!

The main guy, the veteran that took down the active shooter in Colorado Springs is being hassled by SM. Are y’all commenting there too?

You do sound like RG’s mother in these threads.

From what I’ve put together regarding RG’s age, potential dates of enlistment, and his criminal record, it’s entirely possible RG was a recruit and kicked out of boot camp before becoming a Marine or kicked out of the USMC when he accrued criminal charges. If he never become a Marine, it would be insulting to actual veterans to call RG a veteran. Also not too fond of people that disgrace the Corps and are kicked out due to criminal activity either.

What I have said about RG’s status is that if he is a veteran and to me if he even tried to serve and failed then that should be respected.

Absolutely not. Criminals in the USMC compromise the mission of the USMC, the USMC’s effectiveness, and disgraces the lives sacrificed for the USMC.

I do not know if RG was a Marine or a recruit or if he had an honorable service. His criminal history, the nature of the offenses, and when he accrued those offenses lend to a poor service discharge or no service as a Marine at all. You really are crossing a line by inferring that he is a veteran and trying to bestow honor upon him by associating him as a veteran when you know nothing of his military career.

Try using my entire quote instead of lying by omission. Here, I’ll help you.

“I don’t know RG’s status. I referred to the veteran that stopped the Colorado Springs shooter.

What I have said about RG’s status is that if he is a veteran and to me if he even tried to serve and failed then that should be respected. Now if he did something so horrible as to dishonor the service or sedition, etc, then that is different. People get released for medical reasons, downsizing, failure to adapt, compassionate discharge, drug use, etc. their intent is good.

I’m just glad RG stopped MB. LK got a call in to 911 along with the neighbor across the street and ED. If RG hadn’t stopped MB then an agitated incoherent man with the gun and second magazine would have headed back to the barn and at some point would have run into LE.

Now, everyone can recover and continue their lives. Otherwise, what would the body count have been?“

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@eggbutt

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and pray y’all’s continued buttressing up of his delusions won’t catch him future setbacks.

What the hell does this mean and exactly what are you implying???

Four psychiatric professionals have said he is not a danger to himself or others. Not one has said he is a danger! Explain yourself!

BTW, when did you become Southern with your cutesy “y’alls”? You continue to morph into multiple personalities! Interesting.

At birth.

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No, HH. Quoting exactly what you said. Everyone has the capability of pressing the down arrow to see your entire quote.

What I said still stands. You should speak less on something you know little about. Trying to bestow some sort of honor on RG as a veteran when even you admit you do not know if he is a veteran is entirely inappropriate.

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@trubandloki

So you are saying that RGG/JES/Superman lied when he said on the stand that the gun jammed?

The gun was actually empty. RG was wrong about it jamming. Y’all need to listen to the trial.

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@trubandloki

All the medical team that has treated him has already deemed him not a risk to himself or others.

The final decision is the court under advisement of the medical staff. The court is to consider that someone who has committed a violent act has demonstrated a danger to themselves or others while those deemed to be a danger to themselves or others have not yet shown that they are. I found that rather convoluted but it’s in the state (of New Jersey) vs Fields 1978. Try reading it.

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@BatCoach

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Proud papa? LOL!

The main guy, the veteran that took down the active shooter in Colorado Springs is being hassled by SM. Are y’all commenting there too?

You are making some very bizarre accusations here. Do you have any proof of this “hassling”? Every report I read is rightly very supportive of the efforts of Richard Fierro. The public have been so supportive that Fierro family Brewery has completely sold out of their merchandise

Which makes me believe that the only scum who would be “hassling” Mr. Fierro are homophobic jerks. Or you are making up the “hassling” to try to lower the heroic Mr. Fierro to the same level of RG. Which is frankly wrong and disgusting.

Mr. Fierro has a distinguished service record, a loving family, and helped his wife run one of the few women- operated breweries in the sage. His class and level of character outranks RG in every way. They are in no way similar and you do Mr. Fierro a disservice by implying otherwise.

I am not comparing their lifelong accomplishments. I am comparing their reactions to an active shooter. There is a vice article about the online hate groups targeting Fierro.

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@Warmblood1

Wow. So even the “flat lined twice” thing is made up? I do believe the medical expert would have testified to CPR occurring, let alone twice.

As described yes.

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@Mersidoats

I do remember seeing an ad on Facebook for Jay-T. He was advertised in the $75k range at that time. The ad has disappeared.

Something tells me that a very amateur friendly GP trained schoolmaster would command every penny of that 75k asking price….

[BatCoach]

So you were positing that coth members are part of the online hate groups?

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The main guy, the veteran that took down the active shooter in Colorado Springs is being hassled by SM. Are y’all commenting there too?

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@trubandloki

All the medical team that has treated him has already deemed him not a risk to himself or others.

The final decision is the court under advisement of the medical staff. The court is to consider that someone who has committed a violent act has demonstrated a danger to themselves or others while those deemed to be a danger to themselves or others have not yet shown that they are. I found that rather convoluted but it’s in the state (of New Jersey) vs Fields 1978. Try reading it.

Your reading of the law is the last place I will take advice from, but thanks for the very silly suggestion.
I prefer to take legal advice from people who actually have legal knowledge, not someone who has proclaimed themselves too smart to actually understand what is being said.

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Two bullet holes in LK who flatlined twice.

This only proves that Lauren Kanarek was shot twice, not who shot or how the shooting happened.

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Officer Wettenberg saying blood everywhere.

The evidence showed that the blood everywhere was Michael’s, not Lauren’s, as was also proven by her shirt having almost no blood on it.

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RG on top of MB when Officer Heymer arrived.

This only proves that Robert Guy Goodwin/Jim E Stark/Superman was beating up Michael.

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Full magazine found in MB’s pocket by Officer Hessler.

So strange that the first officer that searched Michael did not find this magazine, no?

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911 calls.

To me this proves that Michael was truly scared of Lauren Kanarek and Robert Guy Goodwin/Jim E stark/Superman.

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ED hearing two shots fired.

Darn, that is not really how that testimony went, was it? I believe Ed the Amazing Ear Witness actually testified to the fact that he heard screaming and then two noises that he later assumed were gun shots after Lauren Kanarek told him she was shot.
Add that he also impeached himself more than once on the stand.

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Testimony from two eye witnesses and one ear witness.

All these of those people were impeached on the stand.

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Control and possession of the gun. Who bought that extra ammo and where and when?

Who bought the extra ammo is a great question, but you know as well as anyone does that if there was anyway that Michael bought it the prosecution would have brought it up at the trial.

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Fast arrival of LE rendering changes to the crime scene by affected parties impossible.

Even the law enforcement admit that Robert Guy Goodwin/Jim E Stark/Superman was allowed to run around the scene without supervision so there was plenty of ways the scene could have been modified. But heck, none of that matters because the police did not bother to look for any evidence that anything else could have happened.

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@trubandloki

The evidence showed that the blood everywhere was Michael’s, not Lauren’s, as was also proven by her shirt having almost no blood on it.

Head wounds bleed like a stuck pig. He had multiple severe ones.

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@jvanrens

@Rides_Again

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listening on the new podcast.

@hut-ho78 - What new podcast?

The only new podcast I’ve seen mentioned lately is this one, (that KM shared a couple days ago but HH isn’t willing to share).

https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/michael-witch-shooter-barisone-verdict-not-guilty-insanity/id1546136066?i=1000557658876

This one I posted first way back during the trial.

The one which says that this verdict was clearly a case of jury nullification and you can’t ascribe any motivations to the jury based on that? Hmm…

I really appreciate how Branca breaks down the law of self defense. However, I do not agree with his point of view from a personal level. I started following and listening to him with the Rittenhouse trial. Branca made it clear while commenting on the video that Rittenhoise did not fire until attacked. However, Branca criticized the defense lawyer for Rittenhouse whom I thought did a great job. I quit listening and following Branca (though I’ve visited to hear his take on Baldwin) after the Ahmaud Arbery shooting as Branca’s seemed biased and not following his own description of self defense. He saw a large black man attacking white men and a self defense shooting by. I saw a large black man hounded and chased and cornered by white men in trucks who charged one because he had nowhere else to go. The self defense was Arbery’s, not the defendants. The jury thought so too.

Google says Ahmaud Arbery was 6’ tall and slender. Not something that I would find threatening.

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NJ v. Michael Barisone Trial Day 4 - Direct Exam (No Cross) of Dr. Mark Widman -...

I went back and listened the the thoracic surgeon who operated on LK.

Apparently LK’s heart never stopped twice. It sounds as though heart rhythm may have stopped once, began again, and then there was an issue with maintaining blood pressure. They clamped the aorta and repaired the lung damage which stabilized the blood pressure.

I seriously do not understand the compulsive lying surrounding the details of this entire incident.

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@Warmblood1

Wow. So even the “flat lined twice” thing is made up? I do believe the medical expert would have testified to CPR occurring, let alone twice.

We’re going to need a fresh bingo card.

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@eggbutt

BTW, when did you become Southern with your cutesy “y’alls”? You continue to morph into multiple personalities! Interesting.

Too much time spent in NC recently perhaps?

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@BatCoach

You are ignoring the second point regarding IM’s incorrect and/or intentionally misleading claims that SS and USEF are not only monitoring these threads but are fully aware of EVERYONE’S IDENTITY.

I addressed that point a day or two ago when someone else brought it up. I don’t wish to rehash the point.

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@Warmblood1

Wow. So even the “flat lined twice” thing is made up? I do believe the medical expert would have testified to CPR occurring, let alone twice.

Are you surprised? They may have lost her pulse or she may have momentarily stopped breathing, but that isn’t the same as flatlining. Just like an ambulance ride isn’t the same as being airlifted to hospital. Strange how some here persist in repeating her stories word for word though, isn’t it?

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@Warmblood1

I seriously do not understand the compulsive lying surrounding the details of this entire incident.

Exhibit A: The imaginary helicopter.

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@trubandloki

So you are saying that RGG/JES/Superman lied when he said on the stand that the gun jammed?

The gun was actually empty. RG was wrong about it jamming. Y’all need to listen to the trial.

I did watch the trial. Robert Guy Goodwin/Jim E Stark/Superman said it was jammed.

But heck, let us go with the fact that it was empty (which it was, but that does not mean that is what RGG/JES/Superman said), either way, jammed or empty both mean that RGG/JES/Superman was not stopping anyone shooting. Empty guns do not shoot.

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@BatCoach

So you were positing that coth members are part of the online hate groups?

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The main guy, the veteran that took down the active shooter in Colorado Springs is being hassled by SM. Are y’all commenting there too?

Yes. And naming me as one of them.