Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Warmblood1

@CurrentlyHorseless

If RG had been charged with assault, it would be easy to establish that he acted in self defense after MB started shooting. It was so obvious to the authorities that RG acted in self defense that he was never even charged.

You have no idea what the authorities thought. Despite that, there wasn’t evidence to lead to a conviction. Look at the Casey Anthony case: not enough evidence to lead to a conviction.

And in this case, no one was convicted of a criminal charge. MB was acquitted.

I know that the authorities declined to charge him. I know that MB is not suing RG in the civil suit for anything, including tor the injuries to MB incurred when RG subdued him.

[Warmblood1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Warmblood1

@CurrentlyHorseless

If RG had been charged with assault, it would be easy to establish that he acted in self defense after MB started shooting. It was so obvious to the authorities that RG acted in self defense that he was never even charged.

You have no idea what the authorities thought. Despite that, there wasn’t evidence to lead to a conviction. Look at the Casey Anthony case: not enough evidence to lead to a conviction.

And in this case, no one was convicted of a criminal charge. MB was acquitted.

I know that the authorities declined to charge him. I know that MB is not suing RG in the civil suit for anything, including tor the injuries to MB incurred when RG subdued him.

Yep, and none of that knowledge equates to you knowing what the police thought, nor does it equate to RG using self defense because of a lack of conviction.

[DownYonder]

I am so very sorry about your brother. My cousin was killed by gunshot and although he was a grown man (46), it was still a devastating time for his mother and sister and daughters (as well as for the rest of the family). Those kind of losses leave emotional scars that never heal. Hugs to you and your family.

[Warmblood1]

Thank you. I appreciate everyone’s very kind words.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I know that the authorities declined to charge him. I know that MB is not suing RG in the civil suit for anything, including tor the injuries to MB incurred when RG subdued him.

RG is an assetless, jobless drug user. He is judgment proof. That’s why he wasn’t named. Had he assets, a job to attach, property, ANYTHING at all, he would have been sued.

Realistically speaking, spending $100 just to have him served was already $100 you would never get back.

[Salty]

I think I paid $350 for a lesson in the 1990s.

[Jealoushe]

So glad someone got it hahaha

[Jealoushe]

oh my gosh and I think my coach is $$$! $350 in the 80s would be about $950 now.

[DownYonder]

@hut-ho78

Heymer and Wurtemberg and Bailey all testified they responded to an active shooter radio call

Who first described it as an “active shooter” situation? Was it the 911 dispatcher? That may have been the person who mischaracterized it but I can understand why given that he/she did not know the full circumstances at the time. All they knew was what they had been told by the caller - that someone was there with a gun and had just shot them. So yeah, I could see how they might call it in to PD as an active shooter situation.

Still doesn’t make me think of RG as a “hero” though. The shooting stopped because the gun was empty, and I have a lot of questions about why the first officer to search MB didn’t find the other mag in his pocket but the second officer supposedly found it there. I mean, how the heck do you miss a full 9mm magazine in the pocket of someone’s SHORTS, for Christ’s sake? Esp. when you are a trained LE officer?

Edited to add that the speculation that MB may have then gone on a murderous rampage against the CPS worker and others at the barn sort of negates the narrative that he was carrying out a plot to murder LK and RG.

[SpicyPRE]

I feel that there should another “retreat”/“planning session” for the K supporters coming up soon. Its so tedious to see the continued nonsense and superfluous rhetoric. Yes, I have the 3 on ignore and am working hard on my scrolling efforts.

[iberianfan]

Unfortunately, you have misread that entire post.

On another observation (not directed at CH), didn’t LK write, in her manifesto, that she had this grand idea to “offer” her BF to do renovations in exchange for whatever? And, yet, just above, she talks about MB begging RG to do work? Am I misremembering, or is this just another example of inconsistencies?

[Angela_Freda]

International breeding farms advertise horses for sale and breeding. On Facebook.
Why wouldn’t you?

[Angela_Freda]

@Salty

I think I paid $350 for a lesson in the 1990s.

That’s how out of touch I am.
The time I was in that circle of people training with MB was in the 90s and since it was way out of my price range, knowing how much it was was actually not relevant. “When you know to not even ask cause you know it’s more than you can afford”, kinda thing.

That said, I’ve seen video of clinics held with riders I knew, and I really missed an opportunity.
Even auditing would have really benefitted me.
He is an excellent instructor/trainer.
.

[cutter99]

@Rubyroo

@Ambitious_Kate

I am certain the reason he didn’t want MHG or anyone else to tell her she was being evicted was because

@Ambitious_Kate

It wasn’t anyone’s place to tell LK she was being evicted except MB’s attorney.

@cutter99

We already KNOW she had been asked to leave many, many times.

@cutter99

The element of surprise would have been crucial in serving her with an eviction notice.

I’m getting whiplash here. You all have been insisting that Michael asked Lauren to leave many times. Michael himself apparently said he asked her to leave many, many, many times, you have all argued many times that Michael’s girlfriend had every right to tell her to leave, but now one of you has suddenly decided that Michael DIDN’T want his girlfriend to tell her to leave and that the ONLY person who was allowed to tell her to leave was Michael’s lawyer and they were all keeping it a secret on purpose so that the sheriff could surprise her, but please remind me who was part of the negotiations about Lauren leaving that took place right before the shooting?

So lots of people were telling Lauren they wanted her to leave, but the fact that they didn’t use the term “evict” in their conversations means that it was a secret that they wanted her to leave and the sheriff would be able to surprise her with a formal eviction notice. Do I have that right?

No, you do not have it right, but no shock there. Try reading for comprehension and not looking for the opportunity to twist things to your liking.

[hut-ho78]

@BatCoach

@hut-ho78

The criticism was Heymer should have found the magazine. I was talking about Heymer trying to do 3 things at one time.

It’s true officer Heymer did come into a very chaotic scene, which in my mind lends credence to the probability that there was no way he could have kept eyes on RG the whole time while RG was running around the crime scene. It just increases the margin for error.

Officer Wurtenberg arrived within a couple of minutes and testified he kept RG in sight the entire time, that RG only opened the door to place the dog inside, and at no time did he lose sight of him.

[Maria]

[hut-ho78]

@Jenerationx

Definitions matter… and active shooter was never a good definition for what happened in this case. Please stop using it unless you enjoy spreading a lie.

I keep saying the call on the radio came in as an active shooter and they responded as the same. That is a fact, testified to in court by Heymer, Wurtenberg, and Bailey. The definition includes enclosed and public area and also enclosed and populated area. The definition is constantly changing and changes between agencies. They keep trying to come up with a standard definition for the purpose of record keeping.

You are misrepresenting the chaotic scene LE entered and my comments. I am not nor am I lying.

[BatCoach]

@hut-ho78

Officer Wurtenberg arrived within a couple of minutes and testified he kept RG in sight the entire time, that RG only opened the door to place the dog inside, and at no time did he lose sight of him.

but A LOT can happen in just “a couple of minutes”

[Angela_Freda]

@Rubyroo

I’m getting whiplash here. You all have been insisting that Michael asked Lauren to leave many times. Michael himself apparently said he asked her to leave many, many, many times, you have all argued many times that Michael’s girlfriend had every right to tell her to leave, but now one of you has suddenly decided that Michael DIDN’T want his girlfriend to tell her to leave and that the ONLY person who was allowed to tell evict her to leave was Michael’s lawyer and they were all keeping it a secret on purpose so that the sheriff could surprise evict her, but please remind me who was part of the negotiations about Lauren leaving that took place right before the shooting?

So lots of people were telling Lauren they wanted her to leave, but the fact that they didn’t use the term “evict” in their conversations means that it was a secret that they wanted her to leave and the sheriff would be able to surprise her with a formal eviction notice. Do I have that right?

No, you don’t have that right.
It’s about nuance.

No, eviction is not a secret, but it’s certainly an escalation.
LK herself would school you on the legal difference between the two, asking/telling her to leave and eviction, as per her blue suede shoe chipped fingernail law firm … but she’s not here, so…

If the difference isn’t obvious, well I’m not sure how to help you.

[Hightale]

I have all three on ignore and the function glitch is driving me mad, because their shambolic crassness keeps cluttering up the feed with monotonous regularity.