Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[Angela_Freda]

@trubandloki

Lauren was asked to leave many many many times. Eviction notice was given right before she proclaimed Finish The Bastard.
So, asked to leave - YES.
Told she was being evicted - No. Not until the very end.
Two VERY different things and leave and evict are not interchangeable.

And note her reaction when she was given that legal eviction. It was, considering her bad reaction to many things, fairly predictable.

[CindyB59]

Try refreshing when you open the thread. Working that way for me

[eggbutt]

Me too. It is extremely tiresome and ridiculous for sure.

[trubandloki]

@BatCoach

@hut-ho78

Officer Wurtenberg arrived within a couple of minutes and testified he kept RG in sight the entire time, that RG only opened the door to place the dog inside, and at no time did he lose sight of him.

but A LOT can happen in just “a couple of minutes”

That is a huge understatement.
Add that the police then do not bother to look for any evidence past what they have decided makes the case for what they want the answer to be.

[Sdel]

@hut-ho78

@BatCoach

@hut-ho78

The criticism was Heymer should have found the magazine. I was talking about Heymer trying to do 3 things at one time.

It’s true officer Heymer did come into a very chaotic scene, which in my mind lends credence to the probability that there was no way he could have kept eyes on RG the whole time while RG was running around the crime scene. It just increases the margin for error.

Officer Wurtenberg arrived within a couple of minutes and testified he kept RG in sight the entire time, that RG only opened the door to place the dog inside, and at no time did he lose sight of him.

Um, not quite. He watch RG chase the dog all around the crime scene too….just coincidentally by the car where the magazines showed up. And a very uncomfortable officer testified to placing them there. Honestly, he was squirming so much I wondered if he was also high as a kite or really worried about what may come out during his testimony.

Considering everything else, I really wouldn’t be surprised if he was told to lie about putting the magazine there. Keep in mind, his testimony was separated from the other officer’s testimony by several days. It really felt like to me that they realized they had a hole in their story that needed to be filled.

Remember who was coming on to the threads and reading the conversations? Yep, IM, Seeker, and LK herself were all on the boards during the trial….anyone silly enough to think they weren’t discussing how the case was going with the prosecution?

[Knights_Mom]

NJ police major discipline reporting must be empty because yanno, cops never lie

https://www.google.com/url?sa=j&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nj.gov%2Foag%2Fiapp%2Fdocs%2FMajor%20Discipline%201-01-21%20to%2012-31-21.pdf&uct=1644904076&usg=UjG9Vsjz1rCgoLL6TvwEsbqi96c.&ved=2ahUKEwi6j_yfk-P7AhWDNlkFHdhhDrMQwtwHKAB6BAgAEAE

Will try this way. Download a report of each NJ county naughty police reports
Major Discipline 1-01-21 to 12-31-21 (3)_221205_135635.pdf (2.8 MB)

[MHM]

Does anyone else keep getting distracted by the fact that the one cop’s name is so similar to Wurttemberg, which is a relatively unusual breed of warmblood?

Maybe it’s just me.

[hut-ho78]

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

He had a second magazine in his pocket. Drop one and in with the other.

You must have missed where I already commented on you saying this. There is no proof anywhere that Michael had a second magazine in his pocket. A magazine is not a small thing that is easily missed and the police officer that first searched Michael says he did not find anything on him. I can see an officer missing a razor blade in a pocket but a gun magazine is not missable. If the police officer did not find it, it was not there.

Officer Hensley found it within minutes. Y’all really need to watch the trial.

[hut-ho78]

@BigMama1

@hut-ho78

Actually, I agree with your entire post. Best of luck with your situation.

Except you’re totally overlooking the fact that most reasonable people try to avoid a legal battle over over eviction, and try to resolve the situation without involving lawyers. Most reasonable people, when they have been asked to leave and when it’s clear they are unwelcome, leave. No need for lawyers or an eviction on your record. That’s what happened here. It was a last resort because LK dug her heels in and declared war when told she needed to leave.

Most people evict before they shoot too.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

Most people evict before they shoot too.

Should it not also be said that most tenants leave?

[enjoytheride]

Why are we going over the exact same nonsense over and over? Madness.

[hut-ho78]

@trubandloki

@Jenerationx

No. MB was not an active shooter. You either don’t know the definition or are intentionally posting a falsehood over and over.

Or, some combination of both things!

@SillyHorse

The definition has been posted here quite a few times, so I’m taking door number two, Monty

Yes, but some posters believe they are smarter than everyone else and they do not need to read anything that tells them facts or the truth. So just because real information has been posted for them to read does not mean they bothered to read it.

@hut-ho78

It wasn’t jammed, it was empty.

But, but, but… Robert Guy Goodwin/Jim E Stark/Superman said under oath on the stand that it was jammed. So it must be true that it was jammed, right?

@hut-ho78

He specifically said he checked for “weapons or anything that could hurt me.”

Do you think to police that a whole magazine is not considered weapons?
An officer searching for weapons who finds a full magazine would remove the magazine, not just leave it there.
This is not Rocket Surgery.

Heymer was kind of busy at the time. I believe LE did a good job. Everyone lived. The prosecutor was able to meet the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the highest standard, that MB performed the Act that otherwise would have been a crime except the defense then met the burden of proof by a preponderance of evidence that MB was insane at the time.

I never said they were perfect or didn’t make mistakes. Heymer either missed the magazine or deemed it not a weapon once he tossed the gun out of reach. The gun that Wurtemberg retrieved after they handcuffed MB and turned him over to Hensley who was 3rd on the scene just a couple of minutes behind Wurtemberg who then handcuffed RG. Hensley found the magazine and read MB his rigjts. Fellini and others pulled in and Wurtemberg retrieved the gun from where Heymer said he tossed it and put it in the back of Fellini’s car where Hensley had already placed the magazine.

I recommend watching the trial.

[hut-ho78]

@2tempe

Agree. MHG Clients probably paid board directly to the farm. Training paid to MHG.

Nope. Watch her testimony again. She had a separate business from MB.

[eggbutt]

And don’t forget Wurtenberg’s testimony changed from the hearing to the trial and so did Heymer’s!

It always struck me as odd that it took these officers almost 72 hours to write their final reports (per hearing testimony) and their reports didn’t match their notes. This fly-by-night police department is a disgrace. Had they done their jobs with even a minute semblance of professionalism and proper training, this entire case would have been a slam dunk!!

[Sdel]

@eggbutt

And don’t forget Wurtenberg’s testimony changed from the hearing to the trial and so did Heymer’s!

It always struck me as odd that it took these officers almost 72 hours to write their final reports (per hearing testimony) and their reports didn’t match their notes. This fly-by-night police department is a disgrace. Had they done their jobs with even a minute semblance of professionalism and proper training, this entire case would have been a slam dunk!!

Yep. Heymer specifically said RG told him there was a video of the incident. One wonders if he didn’t see how it started and then when they watched the video…oops…

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

Heymer was kind of busy at the time.

Being kind of busy does not excuse him for not following protocol. When things are hectic is when those things are supposed to be followed even more. And if he was too busy to find something as large as a magazine in the pocket of someone wearing shorts he truly needs to go back to the police academy for some training.

Thank you for the reminder to watch the trial. I only wish you would take your own advice on this and so many other things, then we would not have to explain it to you again and again.

[Sdel]

Wasn’t there also a big dirty cop/drug scandal within this department?

[hut-ho78]

@DownYonder

@hut-ho78

Heymer and Wurtemberg and Bailey all testified they responded to an active shooter radio call

Who first described it as an “active shooter” situation? Was it the 911 dispatcher? That may have been the person who mischaracterized it but I can understand why given that he/she did not know the full circumstances at the time. All they knew was what they had been told by the caller - that someone was there with a gun and had just shot them. So yeah, I could see how they might call it in to PD as an active shooter situation.

Still doesn’t make me think of RG as a “hero” though. The shooting stopped because the gun was empty, and I have a lot of questions about why the first officer to search MB didn’t find the other mag in his pocket but the second officer supposedly found it there. I mean, how the heck do you miss a full 9mm magazine in the pocket of someone’s SHORTS, for Christ’s sake? Esp. when you are a trained LE officer?

Edited to add that the speculation that MB may have then gone on a murderous rampage against the CPS worker and others at the barn sort of negates the narrative that he was carrying out a plot to murder LK and RG.

Heymer, Wurtemberg, I believe Hensley, and Bailey for sure al testified the call came out as an active shooter. Bailey explained that he couldn’t initially respond in his crime scene investigation role as he was responding as LE to an active shooter call.

Well. MHG and AB testified they were afraid he was going to commit suicide. Maybe the third life RG saved was MB’s even before LE got there. At that point with MB on a mental breakdown (wasn’t MHG’s dad walking away from the scene towards the barn) and LE on the way, LE could have rolled up on a man with a gun not in shock but in a killing state. If they were slower arriving, MB could have made it back to the barn. I believe MHG, her dad, RC, JH, etal seem to be good people who would react in horror, maybe even recoil, all with sirens screaming up the driveway. I can’t imagine that chaotic desperate scenario ending well. RG stopped the shooter. LE could then cuff everyone, search everyone, take RG to the station where they grilled him for the next 10 hours or so while he was trying to get to the hospital where LK was. That was testimony too so please no one get excited and ask how I knew that.

Maybe y’all’s scenario sees them rejoicing and that they already have a cover story for the shooting. No witnesses left alive. If I believed that was the ending y’all expected or wanted then I wouldn’t keep trying to explain why I think RG saved everyone at that barn.

[trubandloki]

So, what does everyone think? Another round of full family Kanarek contempt filings? Or will Kirby come up with the transcripts she has bragged about sending everywhere? Will Jonathan provide the communication records or ignore another subpoena?
I wonder if Jonathan Kanarek (@Inigo-montoya) will send another private note to the judge?

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

Maybe y’all’s scenario sees them rejoicing and that they already have a cover story for the shooting. No witnesses left alive. If I believed that was the ending y’all expected or wanted then I wouldn’t keep trying to explain why I think RG saved everyone at that barn.

Wow, that is a strange and offensive thing to say and kind of offensive on all fronts.

For the record, you can tell us to watch the trial in every post, but that will not change the fact that you are twisting what is said in the trial.