Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[hut-ho78]

@Sdel

@hut-ho78

@BatCoach

@hut-ho78

The criticism was Heymer should have found the magazine. I was talking about Heymer trying to do 3 things at one time.

It’s true officer Heymer did come into a very chaotic scene, which in my mind lends credence to the probability that there was no way he could have kept eyes on RG the whole time while RG was running around the crime scene. It just increases the margin for error.

Officer Wurtenberg arrived within a couple of minutes and testified he kept RG in sight the entire time, that RG only opened the door to place the dog inside, and at no time did he lose sight of him.

Um, not quite. He watch RG chase the dog all around the crime scene too….just coincidentally by the car where the magazines showed up. And a very uncomfortable officer testified to placing them there. Honestly, he was squirming so much I wondered if he was also high as a kite or really worried about what may come out during his testimony.

Considering everything else, I really wouldn’t be surprised if he was told to lie about putting the magazine there. Keep in mind, his testimony was separated from the other officer’s testimony by several days. It really felt like to me that they realized they had a hole in their story that needed to be filled.

Remember who was coming on to the threads and reading the conversations? Yep, IM, Seeker, and LK herself were all on the boards during the trial….anyone silly enough to think they weren’t discussing how the case was going with the prosecution?

Oh here we go. Blame it all on LE, the DA, the judges, the entire Kanarek family, RG, anyone who disagrees.

That ship won’t sail, it sunk long ago.

[KurPlexed]

I’ve never been more annoyed at the use of “y’all” then I have been in the last 3 days.

[trubandloki]

@KurPlexed

I’ve never been more annoyed at the use of “y’all” then I have been in the last 3 days.

It did seem to come out of nowhere, didn’t it?

Maybe it is their imaginary narrator voice for the imaginary story that they are posting about in the thread? Could that be it?

[MHM]

@Sdel

Wasn’t there also a big dirty cop/drug scandal within this department?

Whoa, really?

If so, that would certainly open up a gigantic smelly can of worms under the circumstances.

[KurPlexed]

It did. Like an attempt at a jab but whatever. It’s just annoying now.

[DownYonder]

@MHM

@Sdel

Wasn’t there also a big dirty cop/drug scandal within this department?

Whoa, really?

If so, that would certainly open up a gigantic smelly can of worms under the circumstances.

Yes, do tell!

[hut-ho78]

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

Heymer was kind of busy at the time.

Being kind of busy does not excuse him for not following protocol. When things are hectic is when those things are supposed to be followed even more. And if he was too busy to find something as large as a magazine in the pocket of someone wearing shorts he truly needs to go back to the police academy for some training.

Thank you for the reminder to watch the trial. I only wish you would take your own advice on this and so many other things, then we would not have to explain it to you again and again.

Someday, you will explain it correctly and I will be able to just hit like and move on.

[hut-ho78]

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

Maybe y’all’s scenario sees them rejoicing and that they already have a cover story for the shooting. No witnesses left alive. If I believed that was the ending y’all expected or wanted then I wouldn’t keep trying to explain why I think RG saved everyone at that barn.

Wow, that is a strange and offensive thing to say and kind of offensive on all fronts.

For the record, you can tell us to watch the trial in every post, but that will not change the fact that you are twisting what is said in the trial.

You know I don’t twist things.

[DownYonder]

Hmm.

There is discussing the feasibility of moving to another barn .

" Perhaps you would be happier in another program elsewhere."

There is suggesting that you should leave .

“It appears that things aren’t really working out. You should consider an alternate program at another facility.”

There is asking you to leave .

“This is not working for you or for anyone else here and I would like you to leave. Can you move out by xxxxx ?”

There is telling you to leave .

“OK, we are at a stalemate and no one will be happy until you leave. I expect you and your possessions to be gone by xxxxx .”

There is notifying you that you better leave .

“We are advising you that you must vacate the premises by xxxxx .” (Or however such notifications are usually worded.)

Then there is eviction. This is a legal process that varies state to state. In my state, it requires the following:

1. Initial (written or verbal) notice period of 24 hours to 60 days (depending on the situation).
2. Issuance and posting of Summons and Complaint. The tenant has 7 days to respond or pay what is owed.
3. Court Ruling and posting of Writ of Possession. Court issues the Writ of Possession usually within 7 days of the landlord winning the case.
4. Return of Possession. Tenants have 7 days to vacate the property after Court Ruling and Writ of Possession, after which they and their possessions can be physically removed from the premises by sheriff’s deputies or constables.

I assume that the notice that Tarshis sent LK a few days before the shooting was the notification that a formal eviction process was beginning, but I am betting that conversations very similar to the others described above also took place in the weeks leading up to the final altercation at the farmhouse.

And really - it is totally incongruous that a self-described “5D chess grandmaster” can be so stupid as to not understand that she was no longer welcome on the property. Nope – that mantra “I was never asked to leave, I was never told to leave, I never had any idea that they wanted me to leave” is total BS. Only idiots and K-Klan sycophants believe it.

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

Heymer was kind of busy at the time.

Being kind of busy does not excuse him for not following protocol. When things are hectic is when those things are supposed to be followed even more. And if he was too busy to find something as large as a magazine in the pocket of someone wearing shorts he truly needs to go back to the police academy for some training.

Thank you for the reminder to watch the trial. I only wish you would take your own advice on this and so many other things, then we would not have to explain it to you again and again.

Someday, you will explain it correctly and I will be able to just hit like and move on.

I do not need your likes, but thank you for the thought.

I refuse to ever say that these police did a good job. Ever. They did a horrible job when it comes to collecting evidence and such. The prosecution side (the side you are trying to pretend you are not on) should be the people screaming this from the roof tops. If the story is as you say it is, there should have been lots of great evidence out there that would have bolstered their case, but no one ever bothered to secure it, or even look for it.
The police should not stop looking for evidence because they think they found enough, they should be looking for all of the evidence. Period.
No one should be happy with the police work that was done here. Absolutely no one.
They dropped the ball before the shooting. They dropped the ball when they simply believed the guy who said - he did it - when they got on site and they let the other guy go running all over the scene with no supervision. If we are to believe what you have been screaming at us, they dropped the ball in finding a full magazine in the pocket of a man they are securing.
They dropped the ball when they did not look anywhere for any additional evidence. They dropped the ball when it took them much longer than is standard to fill out their reports.
And their response to all this is to remind everyone that the police have no duty to do their job. Why is this OK with anyone? This should not be OK with anyone.

@hut-ho78

You know I don’t twist things.

I know for a fact that you twist just about everything. Shall I start a short list for you?
Flatlined twice
Double tap center mass
Point Blank range
Robert Guy Goodwin/Jim E Stark/Superman moved faster than the bullet

[OntheFnce]

@hut-ho78

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

Heymer was kind of busy at the time.

Being kind of busy does not excuse him for not following protocol. When things are hectic is when those things are supposed to be followed even more. And if he was too busy to find something as large as a magazine in the pocket of someone wearing shorts he truly needs to go back to the police academy for some training.

Thank you for the reminder to watch the trial. I only wish you would take your own advice on this and so many other things, then we would not have to explain it to you again and again.

Someday, you will explain it correctly and I will be able to just hit like and move on.

Or maybe just move on

[DownYonder]

My goodness, one would think someone is terrified that poor RG is going to get kicked to the curb by the K-Klan so it has become mandatory to continually hail him as a hero so they will keep him on the tab.

And it is so, so telling that HH continues to refer to RG this way.

[hut-ho78]

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

Heymer was kind of busy at the time.

Being kind of busy does not excuse him for not following protocol. When things are hectic is when those things are supposed to be followed even more. And if he was too busy to find something as large as a magazine in the pocket of someone wearing shorts he truly needs to go back to the police academy for some training.

Thank you for the reminder to watch the trial. I only wish you would take your own advice on this and so many other things, then we would not have to explain it to you again and again.

Someday, you will explain it correctly and I will be able to just hit like and move on.

I do not need your likes, but thank you for the thought.

I refuse to ever say that these police did a good job. Ever. They did a horrible job when it comes to collecting evidence and such. The prosecution side (the side you are trying to pretend you are not on) should be the people screaming this from the roof tops. If the story is as you say it is, there should have been lots of great evidence out there that would have bolstered their case, but no one ever bothered to secure it, or even look for it.
The police should not stop looking for evidence because they think they found enough, they should be looking for all of the evidence. Period.
No one should be happy with the police work that was done here. Absolutely no one.
They dropped the ball before the shooting. They dropped the ball when they simply believed the guy who said - he did it - when they got on site and they let the other guy go running all over the scene with no supervision. If we are to believe what you have been screaming at us, they dropped the ball in finding a full magazine in the pocket of a man they are securing.
They dropped the ball when they did not look anywhere for any additional evidence. They dropped the ball when it took them much longer than is standard to fill out their reports.
And their response to all this is to remind everyone that the police have no duty to do their job. Why is this OK with anyone? This should not be OK with anyone.

@hut-ho78

You know I don’t twist things.

I know for a fact that you twist just about everything. Shall I start a short list for you?
Flatlined twice
Double tap center mass
Point Blank range
Robert Guy Goodwin/Jim E Stark/Superman moved faster than the bullet

On the last thread you accused me of lying about people saying MB had a girlfriend between VK and MHG. The thread closed before I posted several people had said that, including you. What I find that you do is accuse others of your own tricks.

[smoofox]

@DownYonder

And really - it is totally incongruous that a self-described “5D chess grandmaster” can be so stupid as to not understand that she was no longer welcome on the property. Nope – that mantra “I was never asked to leave, I was never told to leave, I never had any idea that they wanted me to leave” is total BS. Only idiots and K-Klan sycophants believe it.

She made it very clear that she was no longer welcome on the property all over Facebook in the weeks before the eviction notice.

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

What I find that you do is accuse others of your own tricks.

So you are saying that I am just like Lauren Kanarek?

I suppose coming from you that is a compliment.

[smoofox]

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

Maybe y’all’s scenario sees them rejoicing and that they already have a cover story for the shooting. No witnesses left alive. If I believed that was the ending y’all expected or wanted then I wouldn’t keep trying to explain why I think RG saved everyone at that barn.

Wow, that is a strange and offensive thing to say and kind of offensive on all fronts.

For the record, you can tell us to watch the trial in every post, but that will not change the fact that you are twisting what is said in the trial.

The sudden constant use of y’all this and y’all that comes across as rather affected, @hut-ho78 … and seems to be just a way of denoting contempt and dismissal. As are the repeated suggestions to watch the trial and this new “scenario”… maybe you have just watched it all again and thus have this new crusade?

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

On the last thread you accused me of lying about people saying MB had a girlfriend between VK and MHG

I do not remember us discussing this on the last thread and I do not remember saying that to you. I am not really sure what that has to do with the discussion at hand …

I really do not think it matters one bit who Michael dated and when he dated them. The whole adults doing adult things…

[Rubyroo]

@Angela_Freda

No, you don’t have that right.
It’s about nuance.

No, eviction is not a secret, but it’s certainly an escalation.
LK herself would school you on the legal difference between the two, asking/telling her to leave and eviction, as per her blue suede shoe chipped fingernail law firm … but she’s not here, so…

If the difference isn’t obvious, well I’m not sure how to help you.

Lol based on this post you shouldn’t be trying to school anyone on nuance.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

So, what does everyone think? Another round of full family Kanarek contempt filings? Or will Kirby come up with the transcripts she has bragged about sending everywhere? Will Jonathan provide the communication records or ignore another subpoena?
I wonder if Jonathan Kanarek (@Inigo-montoya) will send another private note to the judge?

No new filings as of yet today.

I wonder if the Kanarek’s got served? Wonder if this time they’ll hire attorneys? At any rate, there’s nothing new, yet.

[Maria]

Thank you!!!