Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[Rubyroo]

@Davignport

Can all of us make a conscious effort not to respond to the few posters who refuse to move on from certain things. Who cares what they think, believe, babble on about. No matter what is said, they will NEVER stop the incessant posting and who really cares what they think. Jury trial is OVER and their posts are really dragging the whole thread down. Enough is enough please.

Be careful - one of your own brought it up this time!

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

If the cops and prosecution did such a great job, then why wasn’t MB found guilty?

Seriously, @Knights_Mom?

The only reason that MB was not found straight Guilty is that the defense met its burden of establishing that MB was insane at the time that he shot LK.

How can you not understand that?

Seriously, @CurrentlyHorseless?

If the police had done such an awesome job it seems like nothing the defense would say would mean squat in such a slam dunk case with two eye witnesses and an ear witness and so much great evidence to prove their case.

How can you not understand that?

(Clearly this is ignoring the fact that all three witnesses were impeached on the stand, but if there was some great police forensics that could have been overcome I think.)

PS - How is sharing the information on the police report you posted that you read coming along?

Hmm. This post by @trubandloki demonstrating that she doesn’t understand the NGRI verdict was “liked” by 14 posters.

It appears that further explanation of the difference between straight Guilty and NGRI is necessary. A minimum of 15 people still don’t understand.

[KurPlexed]

going back to like the post so we don’t get 15 more lectures on CHs interpretation of the verdict. BRB. Oops. “Unlike”

[eggbutt]

Personally I think they all should have been fired or at a minimum, they all would have been reprimanded and sent for further training (or retraining) at least here in NC! They did no service to the State of NJ but apparently shoddy forensics is okay with the general public in that state.

[eggbutt]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

If the cops and prosecution did such a great job, then why wasn’t MB found guilty?

Why was he able to beat a guilty charge even with such a historically slim chance of doing so with an attorney LK fans claim was awful and who did a bad job according to them?

He was. It just wasn’t a crime because he was insane at the time.

The prosecutor met the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the highest standard, that MB committee the Act that would otherwise be a crime except the defense attorney met the burden of proof by a preponderance of evidence that MB was insane at the time.

THREE CHARGES against MB in regard to RG were straight NOT GUILTY.

THATS A LOSS FOR THE PROSECUTION. A BIG ONE.

Give it up KM, these folks aren’t capable of comprehending what you and others have said for months, both here and in various chat discussions elsewhere. The dead horse they enjoy beating on various tangents has gone beyond the stink factor and has rapidly decomposed.

[enjoytheride]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Hmm. This post by @trubandloki demonstrating that she doesn’t understand the NGRI verdict was “liked” by 14 posters.

It appears that further explanation of the difference between straight Guilty and NGRI is necessary. A minimum of 15 people still don’t understand.

That’s not at all why anyone liked that post. This SHOULD have been a slam dunk guilty verdict, but the evidence gathering, trial, and witness lead the jury to pick a verdict which is historically incredibly hard to achieve. The entire situation and LKs behavior allowed the defense to prove that MB was insane at the time of the shooting, driven insane by LK.

[eggbutt]

He has a old truck, probably not work much at all. Apparently he also has no income and as such, would not pay any taxes. He has nothing and does not contribute to society.

[eggbutt]

@DownYonder

My goodness, one would think someone is terrified that poor RG is going to get kicked to the curb by the K-Klan so it has become mandatory to continually hail him as a hero so they will keep him on the tab.

And it is so, so telling that HH continues to refer to RG this way.

Maybe some people find his disgusting bad boy behavior sexy or something other than disgusting. I guess it’s nice Guy has a tiny fan club. Of course these people insist they’ve never met him or communicated with him.

[Rubyroo]

@Knights_Mom

Wrong. For RG SchillySchally tossed in Aggravated Assault. Listen to the verdict.

Wrong. The judge stated the charges in his instructions to the jury both at the very beginning of the trial and at the end, before they deliberated. Two counts attempted murder, two weapons charges. Aggravated assault was added as a lesser charge to attempted murder; if the jury did not find Michael guilty of attempted murder, they could consider aggravated assault. If was not a formal charge.

[eggbutt]

Maybe it’s time to bring up one of the things that sent LK into a frenzy - Occams Razor. It applied back then and definitely still applies today.

[Rubyroo]

@Sdel

This is where it helps to have watched the trial and listened to the judges instructions.

There were no instructions shown on video given to Lauren by the judge that told her she was to be sequestered. At the end of her testimony he told her to not to talk to anyone about the trial. That is not even remotely the same as being sequestered.

[Knights_Mom]

@Rubyroo

@Knights_Mom

Wrong. For RG SchillySchally tossed in Aggravated Assault. Listen to the verdict.

Wrong. The judge stated the charges in his instructions to the jury both at the very beginning of the trial and at the end, before they deliberated. Two counts attempted murder, two weapons charges. Aggravated assault was added as a lesser charge to attempted murder; if the jury did not find Michael guilty of attempted murder, they could consider aggravated assault. If was not a formal charge.

At the time of the reading of the verdict the charge was read and the verdict was read and returned, clear as day, NOT GUILTY.

The ACTUAL point being the Prosecution didn’t do a great job as not one guilty verdict was heard.

On the video in regard to RG it’s listed as Count 2.

VERDICT: NJ v Michael Barisone - Former Olympic Horse Trainer Shooting Trial

[Sdel]

@eggbutt

Maybe it’s time to bring up one of the things that sent LK into a frenzy - Occams Razor. It applied back then and definitely still applies today.

Yes. And let’s go back to that gun charge. In order to have gotten NG on that the jury had to have had reasonable doubt that he brought the gun. Or jury nullification where they just were not going to hold him responsible no matter what, but from what I understand, because the jury was given “instructions” that just isn’t a possible outcome, so reasonable doubt it is…

[Knights_Mom]

[Rubyroo]

@eggbutt

Give it up KM, these folks aren’t capable of comprehending what you and others have said for months, both here and in various chat discussions elsewhere. The dead horse they enjoy beating on various tangents has gone beyond the stink factor and has rapidly decomposed.

This is tiresome, so I will do the work for you:

NJ v. Michael Barisone Trial Day 11 - Jury Instructions & Jury Charge

Instructions on the insanity plea start at 58:46. You’re welcome.

[Knights_Mom]

@Rubyroo

@eggbutt

Give it up KM, these folks aren’t capable of comprehending what you and others have said for months, both here and in various chat discussions elsewhere. The dead horse they enjoy beating on various tangents has gone beyond the stink factor and has rapidly decomposed.

This is tiresome, so I will do the work for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IicXqWtTLKI

Instructions on the insanity plea start at 58:46. You’re welcome.

I’ve already posted the verdict being read above. NOT GUILTY.

[Rubyroo]

@Knights_Mom

At the time of the reading of the verdict the charge was read and the verdict was read and returned, clear as day, NOT GUILTY.

The ACTUAL point being the Prosecution didn’t do a great job as not one guilty verdict was heard.

On the video in regard to RG it’s listed as Count 2.

Let me explain:

The judge told the jury that if they came to a not guilty verdict for both counts of attempted murder, they could then consider the lesser charge of aggravated assault.

They found that the prosecution did meet the burden of proof for the attempted murder charge for Lauren, so they did not have to consider aggravated assault for her.

They found that the prosecution did not meet the burden of proof for the attempted murder charge for Rob, so they did have to consider aggravated assault for him. They found that the prosecution did not meet the burden of proof for the lesser charge of aggravated assault for Rob, so that verdict was Not Guilty.

You should really watch the trial. I posted the video of the day this was covered in a previous post.

[Rubyroo]

@Knights_Mom

I’ve already posted the verdict being read above. NOT GUILTY.

In this post, I’m talking about the judge’s instructions to the jury about the insanity plea. I’m not talking about the verdict here.

[Knights_Mom]

@Rubyroo

@Knights_Mom

At the time of the reading of the verdict the charge was read and the verdict was read and returned, clear as day, NOT GUILTY.

The ACTUAL point being the Prosecution didn’t do a great job as not one guilty verdict was heard.

On the video in regard to RG it’s listed as Count 2.

Let me explain:

The judge told the jury that if they came to a not guilty verdict for both counts of attempted murder, they could then consider the lesser charge of aggravated assault.

They found that the prosecution did meet the burden of proof for the attempted murder charge for Lauren, so they did not have to consider aggravated assault for her.

They found that the prosecution did not meet the burden of proof for the attempted murder charge for Rob, so they did have to consider aggravated assault for her. They found that the prosecution did not meet the burden of proof for the lesser charge of aggravated assault for Rob, so that verdict was Not Guilty.

You should really watch the trial. I posted the video of the day this was covered in a previous post.

Let ME explain. As I’ve said, there are no GUILTY findings and in regard to each and every charge in regard to RG the verdict was NOT GUILTY

IM not so sure how to make this any clearer.

[eggbutt]

Oh look! A squirrel!