Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[Angela_Freda]

@hut-ho78

Two of the three that first arrived were promoted to Corporal in the three years between the response and the trial. That would be Heymer and Wurtenberg

And?

[Angela_Freda]

@trubandloki

The Thoracic surgeon was at the hospital, a minute away at most per him, I believe the term he used was ‘right down the hall’, had just finished his daily surgeries. So saying he was called in is kind of exaggerating what happened there.

I did not hear him say she had a collapsed lung.

The way the Thoracic surgeon describes things she did not have multiple surgeries at all.
In the trauma bay they attempted to access the aorta, were not successful and applied loose stitches before she was taken to surgery (Thoracic surgeon said it was just minutes at most). The trauma bay is not a surgery.
The Thoracic surgeon did his thing and while she was still in the surgery being watched they decided to make the opening in her abdomen.
All the same surgery…not multiple surgeries. Just because different doctors were cutting does not mean it is more than one surgery.
She had two chest tubes.
The Thoracic surgeon said her heart had stopped once (not flatlining at all, and not twice).
She was on the ventilator for EIGHT (8) days. Not the three weeks that likes to get tossed around.
The Thoracic surgeon stated that she had two follow up appointments with him and that she had no ongoing needs after her second appointment

I wish we could add this to the OP

[Angela_Freda]

@hut-ho78

When a person is 5’2”? It looked plenty big to me.

I’m 5’2"
Everything is proportional… The incision isnt bigger cause she’s smaller. 🤦

[roseymare]

@Sdel

Same with the split stem to stern. I checked with my DH. He’s given a lot of blood products over the years and he’s never had anyone sliced open because of them before.

Yep this baffled me too but I figured it was simply a misunderstanding of what the doctors described.

[trubandloki]

@roseymare

@Sdel

Same with the split stem to stern. I checked with my DH. He’s given a lot of blood products over the years and he’s never had anyone sliced open because of them before.

Yep this baffled me too but I figured it was simply a misunderstanding of what the doctors described.

I am not a doctor but my understanding of what I just heard was they made the opening for the intestines to expand out of because of the swelling associated with the injuries, allowing room for the injured tissues to expand.
So in other words, the intestines were not too big, but moving them allowed the things that were swelling from the injury and surgery to have a little more room for their swelling.
They did not pull them out on the table to lay next to her or anything. They simply left an opening with a dressing over it.

I could be wrong here, but that is what I believe was said.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

New Jersey has a 3 day eviction rule and disorderly conduct is one of the justifications.

Ah how convenient for your point of making MB the evil villain to neglect the point that at that time MB wouldn’t have known that - nor would most people - until he got a lawyer involved who was familiar with eviction law.

[hut-ho78]

@eggbutt

@hut-ho78

Two of the three that first arrived were promoted to Corporal in the three years between the response and the trial. That would be Heymer and Wurtenberg.

It must be an extremely low bar to reach to earn a promotion with this department. No wonder the entire place screams incompetence. I can imagine their school crossing guard duties must have been exemplary. (Yeah, I don’t have much respect for this so called police department.)

At least y’all aren’t lying anymore about correct police procedure for an active shooter call out. LE did a good job. Everyone lived. The prosecutor met the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the highest standard, that MB performed the act that would otherwise be a crime (shot LK twice), and the defense met the burden of proof by a preponderance of evidence that MB was insane at the time.

[MHM]

@trubandloki

Most people do not imagine there are people in the world like Lauren Kanarek and her support system. Most people are used to dealing with varied levels of people from difficult to easy to get along with, but not even the most difficult we expect to deal with

Yes. I think it’s evident from the reactions of the different posters here. Most of us could hardly believe the details that were coming out, just because the whole thing was so far out of our range of experience.

Then there were some posters who had dealt with similar challenges throughout their careers in or around the legal system who were completely unsurprised by most of it.

[hut-ho78]

@Angela_Freda

@hut-ho78

New Jersey has a 3 day eviction rule and disorderly conduct is one of the justifications

Sure, that would have worked… Oh, wait…

But we will never know for sure because MB skipped that part.

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

@hut-ho78

Two of the three that first arrived were promoted to Corporal in the three years between the response and the trial. That would be Heymer and Wurtenberg.

It must be an extremely low bar to reach to earn a promotion with this department. No wonder the entire place screams incompetence. I can imagine their school crossing guard duties must have been exemplary. (Yeah, I don’t have much respect for this so called police department.)

At least y’all aren’t lying anymore about correct police procedure for an active shooter call out. LE did a good job. Everyone lived. The prosecutor met the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the highest standard, that MB performed the act that would otherwise be a crime (shot LK twice), and the defense met the burden of proof by a preponderance of evidence that MB was insane at the time.

This is about as accurate as your explanation of what happened to Lauren medically.

And no, I am not saying you are lying (even though you accuse everyone you do not agree with of doing that), I am saying you are not understanding what happened correctly (just like with the Krol hearing and the thoracic surgeon testimony).

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

Two of the three were promoted to Corporal in the three years between the response and the trial.

Means nothing. At my job problem people with “hooks” were promoted to get rid of them to somewhere else and make them happy to avoid their suing or starting an employment action. Happens all the time.

[Sdel]

@trubandloki

@roseymare

@Sdel

Same with the split stem to stern. I checked with my DH. He’s given a lot of blood products over the years and he’s never had anyone sliced open because of them before.

Yep this baffled me too but I figured it was simply a misunderstanding of what the doctors described.

I am not a doctor but my understanding of what I just heard was they made the opening for the intestines to expand out of because of the swelling associated with the injuries, allowing room for the injured tissues to expand.
So in other words, the intestines were not too big, but moving them allowed the things that were swelling from the injury and surgery to have a little more room for their swelling.
They did not pull them out on the table to lay next to her or anything. They simply left an opening with a dressing over it.

I could be wrong here, but that is what I believe was said.

You have a lot of room for your intestines/guts to swell. Sometimes the stomach swells too much for an incision to be closed after it is made however.

[Angela_Freda]

She reacted badly to what he did do, so…

[hut-ho78]

@Angela_Freda

@trubandloki

The Thoracic surgeon was at the hospital, a minute away at most per him, I believe the term he used was ‘right down the hall’, had just finished his daily surgeries. So saying he was called in is kind of exaggerating what happened there.

I did not hear him say she had a collapsed lung.

The way the Thoracic surgeon describes things she did not have multiple surgeries at all.
In the trauma bay they attempted to access the aorta, were not successful and applied loose stitches before she was taken to surgery (Thoracic surgeon said it was just minutes at most). The trauma bay is not a surgery.
The Thoracic surgeon did his thing and while she was still in the surgery being watched they decided to make the opening in her abdomen.
All the same surgery…not multiple surgeries. Just because different doctors were cutting does not mean it is more than one surgery.
She had two chest tubes.
The Thoracic surgeon said her heart had stopped once (not flatlining at all, and not twice).
She was on the ventilator for EIGHT (8) days. Not the three weeks that likes to get tossed around.
The Thoracic surgeon stated that she had two follow up appointments with him and that she had no ongoing needs after her second appointment

I wish we could add this to the OP

He testified he was called and it was a call for his emergency service. I bet that is important for billing. You start right off telling lies like they asked him to drop by. If he had to drive in, things would have been much worse for MB. No more SM posts. No less than sympathetic performance as a witness. Thank God he was there and thank God LK is so resilient.

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

@Angela_Freda

@trubandloki

The Thoracic surgeon was at the hospital, a minute away at most per him, I believe the term he used was ‘right down the hall’, had just finished his daily surgeries. So saying he was called in is kind of exaggerating what happened there.

I did not hear him say she had a collapsed lung.

The way the Thoracic surgeon describes things she did not have multiple surgeries at all.
In the trauma bay they attempted to access the aorta, were not successful and applied loose stitches before she was taken to surgery (Thoracic surgeon said it was just minutes at most). The trauma bay is not a surgery.
The Thoracic surgeon did his thing and while she was still in the surgery being watched they decided to make the opening in her abdomen.
All the same surgery…not multiple surgeries. Just because different doctors were cutting does not mean it is more than one surgery.
She had two chest tubes.
The Thoracic surgeon said her heart had stopped once (not flatlining at all, and not twice).
She was on the ventilator for EIGHT (8) days. Not the three weeks that likes to get tossed around.
The Thoracic surgeon stated that she had two follow up appointments with him and that she had no ongoing needs after her second appointment

I wish we could add this to the OP

He testified he was called and it was a call for his emergency service. I bet that is important for billing. You start right off telling lies like they asked him to drop by. If he had to drive in, things would have been much worse for MB. No more SM posts. No less than sympathetic performance as a witness. Thank God he was there and thank God LK is so resilient.

Specialty surgeons do not stand around the ER waiting for a patient to come in. They are paged/called into the ER as they are needed. It is part of their duties for that day.

You implied earlier that he was not there and had to be called into the hospital. He did not.

It truly is a blessing that he was available, just a minute down the hall.

[BrownDerby]

Thank God MB wasn’t killed because RG sure came close. That will make an interesting movie of the “based on a real-life incident” ilk.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

@hut-ho78

Two of the three that first arrived were promoted to Corporal in the three years between the response and the trial. That would be Heymer and Wurtenberg.

It must be an extremely low bar to reach to earn a promotion with this department. No wonder the entire place screams incompetence. I can imagine their school crossing guard duties must have been exemplary. (Yeah, I don’t have much respect for this so called police department.)

At least y’all aren’t lying anymore about correct police procedure for an active shooter call out. LE did a good job. Everyone lived. The prosecutor met the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the highest standard, that MB performed the act that would otherwise be a crime (shot LK twice), and the defense met the burden of proof by a preponderance of evidence that MB was insane at the time.

LE did a terrible job. So did the prosecution.

The experts agree.

[MHM]

@trubandloki

I admit there are scars, but they certainly are not as she describes them to be and they are definitely not “stem to stern”.

If the two small marks above her hand are from the bullets, and the surgeon described the wounds as going upward through her body, if I recall correctly, I’m still wondering how that was physically possible if the 5’2”+/- LK was next to the 6’3” MB, as she testified.

[Sdel]

@trubandloki

Specialty surgeons do not stand around the ER waiting for a patient to come in. They are paged/called into the ER as they are needed. It is part of their duties for that day.

We had a doctor that used to call the CCU and pretend he was being called in for an emergency as a way of getting out of his speeding tickets. Once my husband picked up that call and went along with it. About 15 minutes later that doctor walked in and he said, “you really didn’t have to come, we didn’t really need you.” The response, “No, I really had to come”……

[MHM]

@Sdel

And of course, at trial there were only the two casings….

And the ear witness on the K family payroll said he only heard two sounds that could have been gunshots.