Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[DownYonder]

@Sdel

LK testified that Michael had already parked before she went in to get RG. She said she saw him park. And then his phone was sitting on the table. Like someone might do if they were told to wait while someone went to get RG to come talk.

It really begs the question, if they were so afraid (remember she said they knew about the murder plot and the desire to get them together and it influenced their actions) why not just stay in the house and call the police?

I wonder if he asked them what they were doing there, they told him the FM gave them permission and he pulled his phone out to try to call and verify. And either Ms. Badass lost it and charged him - like, “How dare you question me?” - or the dog got out at that point and attacked him. And then the gun appeared - I’m still not convinced MB brought it to the scene but also not convinced that he didn’t bring it - and RG jumped him and the gun discharged during the scuffle.

As for the alleged “murder plot” - didn’t they come up with that theory after the shooting? I seem to recall something about LK stating that it became clear afterwards that what they had been hearing on the recordings was a “plan” to dispose of them (for the purpose of stealing her horses - yeah, right. ).

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@SierraMist

@trubandloki

Hey @hut-ho78, the thing with the red arrow is the roofed area over the basement outside access door. The green arrow points to the lattice covering over the tops of the stairs, down to that basement access door. This photo agrees with the drawing that was posted earlier.

Not that access to the basement matters one way or the other, but I just want to make sure that you realize that no one is telling you an untruth about the whole outside access to the basement.

This screen shot is from one of the evidence photos from the trial.

It only matters if you want to understand one reason the FM deemed the basement uninhabitable. NJ code requires each sleeping room to have emergency egress. Not just a general staircase out of the basement. MB had students crammed in the basement in an unsafe environment and was having it rebuilt to include more bedrooms after the water damage. It shows MB cut corners and why he didn’t want a building permit. He was attempting to do the same thing in the barn - building sleeping cubicles in the loft area above the lounge. Not to mention inadequate septic systems/leach fields to handle all those extra people.

R310.1 Emergency escape and rescue opening required.

Basements, habitable attics and every sleeping room shall have not less than one operable emergency escape and rescue opening. Where basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, an emergency escape and rescue opening shall be required in each sleeping room. Emergency escape and rescue openings shall open directly into a public way, or to a yard or court that opens to a public way.

R310.6 Alterations Or Repairs Of Existing Basements.

An emergency escape and rescue opening is not required where existing basements undergo alterations or repairs.

Exception: New sleeping rooms created in an existing basement shall be provided with emergency escape and rescue openings in accordance with Section R310.1.

Do you read codes for any part of your every day life? Just curious. Because I read that very differently than you are portraying it to say. (And I may have quite a bit of code reading experience under my very old belt. < looks at the code book that is open next to them on their desk > )

But that aside, Is your paragraph at the top as accurate as your insistence that Michael had not paid his gas bill and that is why the pipes froze?

It feels like it is since just one example, we all know the septic issue that was brought up was about the barn not being a living space because the septic was not designed for that. Ya know, the barn that Michael and his family were forced to move to because of Lauren and her Man.

How can anyone read it other than as saying each bedroom will have at least one means of emergency egress?

[Knights_Mom]

@SierraMist

@trubandloki

Hey @hut-ho78, the thing with the red arrow is the roofed area over the basement outside access door. The green arrow points to the lattice covering over the tops of the stairs, down to that basement access door. This photo agrees with the drawing that was posted earlier.

Not that access to the basement matters one way or the other, but I just want to make sure that you realize that no one is telling you an untruth about the whole outside access to the basement.

This screen shot is from one of the evidence photos from the trial.

It only matters if you want to understand one reason the FM deemed the basement uninhabitable. NJ code requires each sleeping room to have emergency egress. Not just a general staircase out of the basement. MB had students crammed in the basement in an unsafe environment and was having it rebuilt to include more bedrooms after the water damage. It shows MB cut corners and why he didn’t want a building permit. He was attempting to do the same thing in the barn - building sleeping cubicles in the loft area above the lounge. Not to mention inadequate septic systems/leach fields to handle all those extra people.

R310.1 Emergency escape and rescue opening required.

Basements, habitable attics and every sleeping room shall have not less than one operable emergency escape and rescue opening. Where basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, an emergency escape and rescue opening shall be required in each sleeping room. Emergency escape and rescue openings shall open directly into a public way, or to a yard or court that opens to a public way.

R310.6 Alterations Or Repairs Of Existing Basements.

An emergency escape and rescue opening is not required where existing basements undergo alterations or repairs.

Exception: New sleeping rooms created in an existing basement shall be provided with emergency escape and rescue openings in accordance with Section R310.1.

A basement with 2 forms of egress is acceptable. No one expects more.

[SierraMist]

MB already had people living in the barn. He also lived in the barn before his wife moved out of the house. He was in the process of adding more sleeping rooms in the loft area.

Section 7:9A-8.2 - Septic tanks

(a) The use of a septic tank shall be required for all systems except as provided at 7:9A-8.3.

(b) The minimum capacity of the septic tank shall be determined in accordance with the following criteria:

1. When serving single family dwelling units, septic tanks shall have the minimum capacity of 250 gallons per bedroom. Expansion attics shall be considered additional bedrooms. In no case shall the capacity be less than 1000 gallons.

2. When serving installations other than single family dwelling units, the minimum capacity shall be 1.5 times (150 percent) the volume of sanitary sewage, Q, when Q, determined as prescribed in 7:9A-7.4, in less than 1,500 gallons per day. When Q is greater than 1,500 gallons per day, the minimum capacity in gallons shall be 1,125 plus 0.75Q. In no case shall the capacity be less than 1000 gallons.

[trubandloki]

@BrownDerby

I’m sure the basement egress will play a huge part in the suit.

Why do you think that?

[SierraMist]

@Knights_Mom

@SierraMist

@trubandloki

Hey @hut-ho78, the thing with the red arrow is the roofed area over the basement outside access door. The green arrow points to the lattice covering over the tops of the stairs, down to that basement access door. This photo agrees with the drawing that was posted earlier.

Not that access to the basement matters one way or the other, but I just want to make sure that you realize that no one is telling you an untruth about the whole outside access to the basement.

This screen shot is from one of the evidence photos from the trial.

It only matters if you want to understand one reason the FM deemed the basement uninhabitable. NJ code requires each sleeping room to have emergency egress. Not just a general staircase out of the basement. MB had students crammed in the basement in an unsafe environment and was having it rebuilt to include more bedrooms after the water damage. It shows MB cut corners and why he didn’t want a building permit. He was attempting to do the same thing in the barn - building sleeping cubicles in the loft area above the lounge. Not to mention inadequate septic systems/leach fields to handle all those extra people.

R310.1 Emergency escape and rescue opening required.

Basements, habitable attics and every sleeping room shall have not less than one operable emergency escape and rescue opening. Where basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, an emergency escape and rescue opening shall be required in each sleeping room. Emergency escape and rescue openings shall open directly into a public way, or to a yard or court that opens to a public way.

R310.6 Alterations Or Repairs Of Existing Basements.

An emergency escape and rescue opening is not required where existing basements undergo alterations or repairs.

Exception: New sleeping rooms created in an existing basement shall be provided with emergency escape and rescue openings in accordance with Section R310.1.

A basement with 2 forms of egress is acceptable. No one expects more.

Maybe where you live. Not in my state and not in NJ according to NJ code.

[BrownDerby]

I’m being sarcastic.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@SierraMist

@trubandloki

Hey @hut-ho78, the thing with the red arrow is the roofed area over the basement outside access door. The green arrow points to the lattice covering over the tops of the stairs, down to that basement access door. This photo agrees with the drawing that was posted earlier.

Not that access to the basement matters one way or the other, but I just want to make sure that you realize that no one is telling you an untruth about the whole outside access to the basement.

This screen shot is from one of the evidence photos from the trial.

It only matters if you want to understand one reason the FM deemed the basement uninhabitable. NJ code requires each sleeping room to have emergency egress. Not just a general staircase out of the basement. MB had students crammed in the basement in an unsafe environment and was having it rebuilt to include more bedrooms after the water damage. It shows MB cut corners and why he didn’t want a building permit. He was attempting to do the same thing in the barn - building sleeping cubicles in the loft area above the lounge. Not to mention inadequate septic systems/leach fields to handle all those extra people.

R310.1 Emergency escape and rescue opening required.

Basements, habitable attics and every sleeping room shall have not less than one operable emergency escape and rescue opening. Where basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, an emergency escape and rescue opening shall be required in each sleeping room. Emergency escape and rescue openings shall open directly into a public way, or to a yard or court that opens to a public way.

R310.6 Alterations Or Repairs Of Existing Basements.

An emergency escape and rescue opening is not required where existing basements undergo alterations or repairs.

Exception: New sleeping rooms created in an existing basement shall be provided with emergency escape and rescue openings in accordance with Section R310.1.

A basement with 2 forms of egress is acceptable. No one expects more.

Please see the bolded sentence, @Knights_Mom

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

How can anyone read it other than as saying each bedroom will have at least one means of emergency egress?

How is the information about that police report you claimed to have read coming along?

You already admitted that the judgement you announced in your post was made up. Are you going to admit that this was made up too?

[trubandloki]

@SierraMist

Maybe where you live. Not in my state and not in NJ according to NJ code.

In your state where the only way pipes freeze is by not paying the gas bill?

[trubandloki]

@BrownDerby

I’m being sarcastic.

Darn it, I usually can see the sarcasm font too. I apologize for missing it this time.

[BrownDerby]

The day is young.

[DownYonder]

@Knights_Mom

@SierraMist

R310.1 Emergency escape and rescue opening required.

Basements, habitable attics and every sleeping room shall have not less than one operable emergency escape and rescue opening. Where basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, an emergency escape and rescue opening shall be required in each sleeping room. Emergency escape and rescue openings shall open directly into a public way, or to a yard or court that opens to a public way.

R310.6 Alterations Or Repairs Of Existing Basements.

An emergency escape and rescue opening is not required where existing basements undergo alterations or repairs.

Exception: New sleeping rooms created in an existing basement shall be provided with emergency escape and rescue openings in accordance with Section R310.1.

A basement with 2 forms of egress is acceptable. No one expects more.

I don’t read code for living but it seems to me that it is stating that each bedroom in a basement must have at least two openings for egress, and they must both open to the outside. So each sleeping room in the basement should have had at least a door leading to the outside and a window opening to the outside. My guess is that perhaps they did not have windows, which may be why they were disallowed for habitation.

[Sdel]

@DownYonder

And either Ms. Badass lost it and charged him - like, “How dare you question me?” - or the dog got out at that point and attacked him. And then the gun appeared - I’m still not convinced MB brought it to the scene but also not convinced that he didn’t bring it - and RG jumped him and the gun discharged during the scuffle.

As for the alleged “murder plot” - didn’t they come up with that theory after the shooting? I seem to recall something about LK stating that it became clear afterwards that what they had been hearing on the recordings was a “plan” to dispose of them (for the purpose of stealing her horses - yeah, right. ).

According to post 70 and other related posts, the door was wide open during the entire exchange (so they could easily flee back into the house). The infamous post 70 talks about how they knew all of the murder plans involved getting them together and how they knew to stay on the porch or easily able to flee into the house.

[Knights_Mom]

@SierraMist

MB already had people living in the barn. He also lived in the barn before his wife moved out of the house. He was in the process of adding more sleeping rooms in the loft area.

Section 7:9A-8.2 - Septic tanks

(a) The use of a septic tank shall be required for all systems except as provided at 7:9A-8.3.

(b) The minimum capacity of the septic tank shall be determined in accordance with the following criteria:

1. When serving single family dwelling units, septic tanks shall have the minimum capacity of 250 gallons per bedroom. Expansion attics shall be considered additional bedrooms. In no case shall the capacity be less than 1000 gallons.

2. When serving installations other than single family dwelling units, the minimum capacity shall be 1.5 times (150 percent) the volume of sanitary sewage, Q, when Q, determined as prescribed in 7:9A-7.4, in less than 1,500 gallons per day. When Q is greater than 1,500 gallons per day, the minimum capacity in gallons shall be 1,125 plus 0.75Q. In no case shall the capacity be less than 1000 gallons.

As you’re not the septic police the only relevant point is that people were staying in the barn because of the behavior of the grifters.

[Knights_Mom]

@SierraMist

@Knights_Mom

@SierraMist

@trubandloki

Hey @hut-ho78, the thing with the red arrow is the roofed area over the basement outside access door. The green arrow points to the lattice covering over the tops of the stairs, down to that basement access door. This photo agrees with the drawing that was posted earlier.

Not that access to the basement matters one way or the other, but I just want to make sure that you realize that no one is telling you an untruth about the whole outside access to the basement.

This screen shot is from one of the evidence photos from the trial.

It only matters if you want to understand one reason the FM deemed the basement uninhabitable. NJ code requires each sleeping room to have emergency egress. Not just a general staircase out of the basement. MB had students crammed in the basement in an unsafe environment and was having it rebuilt to include more bedrooms after the water damage. It shows MB cut corners and why he didn’t want a building permit. He was attempting to do the same thing in the barn - building sleeping cubicles in the loft area above the lounge. Not to mention inadequate septic systems/leach fields to handle all those extra people.

R310.1 Emergency escape and rescue opening required.

Basements, habitable attics and every sleeping room shall have not less than one operable emergency escape and rescue opening. Where basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, an emergency escape and rescue opening shall be required in each sleeping room. Emergency escape and rescue openings shall open directly into a public way, or to a yard or court that opens to a public way.

R310.6 Alterations Or Repairs Of Existing Basements.

An emergency escape and rescue opening is not required where existing basements undergo alterations or repairs.

Exception: New sleeping rooms created in an existing basement shall be provided with emergency escape and rescue openings in accordance with Section R310.1.

A basement with 2 forms of egress is acceptable. No one expects more.

Maybe where you live. Not in my state and not in NJ according to NJ code.

You’ve misread the code.

[Sdel]

Going back to the infamous Post 70. In it LK says she approached MB and the table and chair were between them when he pulled out the gun. We now know MB’s phone was on the table making that the most likely to be his true location. And that placement would mean he was not by the bush.

[Jealoushe]

Another one that infuriates me. Her dad for years has fought for them to test the DNA they have and they wouldn’t! Instead they let the media go wild accusing him, while he was the biggest fighter for justice! Ugh!

[Jealoushe]

@Knights_Mom

For me it’s not that I can declare I know what happened. It’s that you can’t CONVICT as if you know what happened because nothing is proven and the witness testimony varies too much and is sketchy.

Yes and I don’t disagree with this. It’s just so hard to believe that LE really didn’t do much of anything in this case. It’s awful.

[BatCoach]

You deserve a medal, and a lifetime supply of dark chocolate and red wine for dealing with 2 periods. And here I thought my fibroids were bad. Thanks for educating me - I’m a bit embarrassed that as a woman I had no idea this existed.