Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[Angela_Freda]

@Sdel

RG said MB chased LK for 3-4 steps and then turned and got at him on the porch. He dove through the the door to avoid the bullet and MB ran up the steps and onto the porch to continue the fight. RG then says that he leapt back through the door and punched MB and dazing him (said MB just stood there for a second) and then when MB turned to flee he jumped on his back, put him in the chokehold, and then they collapsed to the concrete where they were found when MB was rendered unconscious (pretty quickly)

Which seems plausible if there’s no loveseat up there. But there was.
How did any of that happen with that up there?!

[Maria]

Sqeeeeeeeeee, why thank you

[MHM]

Great, now I’ll have that music stuck in my head all day. Lol.

[Jealoushe]

thank you, it’s ok I had no idea I even had it until I had to have a procedure done and it was discovered. I had never heard of it before that moment!

[RHdobes563]

Thank you for correcting me.

[Maria]

But it’s happy music

[MHM]

Very true. Could be worse. It’s just funny how the tune instantly popped into my head at the sight of that group dancing around, even without the music.

[Maria]

Ho boy, it has been in my head since Thanksgiving.

[KurPlexed]

@Sdel

Michael’s phone was the google phone on the table

I’m 9hrs behind with comments but if that’s the case then he pulled up, went to the table, put his phone down and then began shooting? Makes no sense.
I hate not knowing.

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@SierraMist

@trubandloki

Hey @hut-ho78, the thing with the red arrow is the roofed area over the basement outside access door. The green arrow points to the lattice covering over the tops of the stairs, down to that basement access door. This photo agrees with the drawing that was posted earlier.

Not that access to the basement matters one way or the other, but I just want to make sure that you realize that no one is telling you an untruth about the whole outside access to the basement.

This screen shot is from one of the evidence photos from the trial.

It only matters if you want to understand one reason the FM deemed the basement uninhabitable. NJ code requires each sleeping room to have emergency egress. Not just a general staircase out of the basement. MB had students crammed in the basement in an unsafe environment and was having it rebuilt to include more bedrooms after the water damage. It shows MB cut corners and why he didn’t want a building permit. He was attempting to do the same thing in the barn - building sleeping cubicles in the loft area above the lounge. Not to mention inadequate septic systems/leach fields to handle all those extra people.

R310.1 Emergency escape and rescue opening required.

Basements, habitable attics and every sleeping room shall have not less than one operable emergency escape and rescue opening. Where basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, an emergency escape and rescue opening shall be required in each sleeping room. Emergency escape and rescue openings shall open directly into a public way, or to a yard or court that opens to a public way.

R310.6 Alterations Or Repairs Of Existing Basements.

An emergency escape and rescue opening is not required where existing basements undergo alterations or repairs.

Exception: New sleeping rooms created in an existing basement shall be provided with emergency escape and rescue openings in accordance with Section R310.1.

A basement with 2 forms of egress is acceptable. No one expects more.

Until after Hurricane Sandy.

[hut-ho78]

@BrownDerby

I’m being sarcastic.

I think you are right on the face of what you typed, not your intent. It shows MB is not interested in lawful procedures.

[trubandloki]

Last I checked making illegal recordings is not overly lawful either…
But some how you manage to justify those as being OK.

Do you at least admit now that there are stairs out of the basement even though you have insisted every way you can that there are not stairs out of the basement?

[Jealoushe]

I’m guessing someone grabbed his phone after everything went down and placed it on the table?

[Sdel]

@Jealoushe

I’m guessing someone grabbed his phone after everything went down and placed it on the table?

Not according to testimony, no one testified to having moved the phone. Actually, it was on the diagram that was stipulated to by both the prosecution and the defense as facts agreed upon. Both sides agreed the location of the phone was an accurate representation of the crime scene, and it wasn’t moved there. One can see that MB was at the table, which was close to the truck.

More to the point, suggesting the phone was moved goes against the testimony of how the crime scene was collected.

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@SierraMist

MB already had people living in the barn. He also lived in the barn before his wife moved out of the house. He was in the process of adding more sleeping rooms in the loft area.

Section 7:9A-8.2 - Septic tanks

(a) The use of a septic tank shall be required for all systems except as provided at 7:9A-8.3.

(b) The minimum capacity of the septic tank shall be determined in accordance with the following criteria:

1. When serving single family dwelling units, septic tanks shall have the minimum capacity of 250 gallons per bedroom. Expansion attics shall be considered additional bedrooms. In no case shall the capacity be less than 1000 gallons.

2. When serving installations other than single family dwelling units, the minimum capacity shall be 1.5 times (150 percent) the volume of sanitary sewage, Q, when Q, determined as prescribed in 7:9A-7.4, in less than 1,500 gallons per day. When Q is greater than 1,500 gallons per day, the minimum capacity in gallons shall be 1,125 plus 0.75Q. In no case shall the capacity be less than 1000 gallons.

As you’re not the septic police the only relevant point is that people were staying in the barn because of the behavior of the grifters.

I really appreciate that she is quoting or linking to laws, rules, and regulations. It takes some effort to do that and shows respect for the reader that they are believed to be able to read and understand.

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@SierraMist

@Knights_Mom

@SierraMist

@trubandloki

Hey @hut-ho78, the thing with the red arrow is the roofed area over the basement outside access door. The green arrow points to the lattice covering over the tops of the stairs, down to that basement access door. This photo agrees with the drawing that was posted earlier.

Not that access to the basement matters one way or the other, but I just want to make sure that you realize that no one is telling you an untruth about the whole outside access to the basement.

This screen shot is from one of the evidence photos from the trial.

It only matters if you want to understand one reason the FM deemed the basement uninhabitable. NJ code requires each sleeping room to have emergency egress. Not just a general staircase out of the basement. MB had students crammed in the basement in an unsafe environment and was having it rebuilt to include more bedrooms after the water damage. It shows MB cut corners and why he didn’t want a building permit. He was attempting to do the same thing in the barn - building sleeping cubicles in the loft area above the lounge. Not to mention inadequate septic systems/leach fields to handle all those extra people.

R310.1 Emergency escape and rescue opening required.

Basements, habitable attics and every sleeping room shall have not less than one operable emergency escape and rescue opening. Where basements contain one or more sleeping rooms, an emergency escape and rescue opening shall be required in each sleeping room. Emergency escape and rescue openings shall open directly into a public way, or to a yard or court that opens to a public way.

R310.6 Alterations Or Repairs Of Existing Basements.

An emergency escape and rescue opening is not required where existing basements undergo alterations or repairs.

Exception: New sleeping rooms created in an existing basement shall be provided with emergency escape and rescue openings in accordance with Section R310.1.

A basement with 2 forms of egress is acceptable. No one expects more.

Maybe where you live. Not in my state and not in NJ according to NJ code.

You’ve misread the code.

No.

[hut-ho78]

@Sdel

Going back to the infamous Post 70. In it LK says she approached MB and the table and chair were between them when he pulled out the gun. We now know MB’s phone was on the table making that the most likely to be his true location. And that placement would mean he was not by the bush.

All we know is by the time the crime scene investigator stopped responding as a police officer to a call out for an active shooter and then went back to his real job, that at some point someone put the phone on the table. Whether that someone was initially MB or one of 50 LE lifting it out of the rain and water on the ground, we don’t know.

[Sdel]

@hut-ho78

All we know is by the time the crime scene investigator stopped responding as a police officer to a call out for an active shooter and then went back to his real job, that at some point someone put the phone on the table.

No one put the phone on the table. No one testified to that. The officer said he found the phone on the table and put the plastic bag on top of it to protect it from the rain. The defense would not have stipulated to the phone being on the table if someone other than MB had put it there. Are you suggesting that the chain of custody on the evidence was broken? Shouldn’t that make anyone question the legitimacy of any of the evidence they collected? Are you suggesting the prosecution allowed a fundamental misrepresentation of evidence occur during the trial? Are you suggesting they were honest about the locations of where LK/RG’s phones were found, but not MB’s?

And notice, I managed to not accuse you of just lying and making stuff up to post.

[CanteringCarrot]

Wait, so where was RG standing, exactly, when LK was shot by MB?

[Ghazzu]

@Sdel

The defense would not have stipulated to the phone being on the table if someone other than MB had put it there.

I doubt there was anywat the defense could argue that point, since MB wouldn’t recall what, if anything, he did with the phone during that whole clusterfunction.