Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[Syrynx]

Even before starting to read this thread I just wanted to say THANK YOU to @ekat for starting a fresh, clean thread with the most recent legal updates. Now back to the top!

[MHM]

Yes, greatly appreciated!!

[MHM]

@Knights_Mom

Maybe he’s told them to go on vacation

Is there any way for the court to verify that they’ve actually gone anywhere, given their extensive track record of extremely inaccurate and misleading statements?

[jvanrens]

@MHM

@CanteringCarrot

LK has “unlimited means” and often bragged about being up early and riding multiple horses, so I don’t know that she is soo weakened.

That jumped out at me as well. How can both of those things be true, I wonder.

You forgot the Pilates, yoga and swimming every day as well.

[MorganSercu]

Does it matter if she ceased now when she was doing it in 2020 & 2021?

[CanteringCarrot]

@Angela_Freda

@CanteringCarrot

LK has “unlimited means” and often bragged about being up early and riding multiple horses

Has she been lately, though?
Has her SM been quiet or has she posted about riding lately? She historically does post quite a bit to SM, iirc.
That said, just because she isn’t posting about it, doesn’t mean she isn’t doing it…
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I have no idea because I don’t follow her. I’m purely going off of what she actually said here, on these forums, previously.

As you said, just because she isn’t posting about it, doesn’t mean she isn’t doing it. So who really knows. If her health does come into question, then they’ll have to investigate that as needed/as is relevant to the case.

[lazaret]

Even if not already drafted, without saying too much (and this is common) the judge has basically told them how to ask for what they want and get it granted.

[lazaret]

It doesn’t matter. They’re not on trial, they’re non party witnesses. The court can’t compel a witness to not go on vacation unless they’ve been given a demand to appear at jury trial.

[Knights_Mom]

@MHM

@Knights_Mom

Maybe he’s told them to go on vacation

Is there any way for the court to verify that they’ve actually gone anywhere, given their extensive track record of extremely inaccurate and misleading statements?

I’m going to assume they have traveled or are traveling because if the docs aren’t produced, the Ks will have to produce that proof themselves if they failed to comply with a judges order.

Remember it’s an order now. So the subpoena will be served in whatever manner and either they comply or they don’t.

In a civil trial there are constant delays. These cases take years.

[MHM]

There was that video that was posted of her riding within the last six months or so, I believe. That seems like it would certainly prove that she was healthy enough to ride following her injuries, especially combined with her show record listed on the USEF website from 2020.

If she elected not to ride after that for whatever reason, it seems like it would prove that was her own choice.

[jvanrens]

@MHM

@Knights_Mom

But it may be why LK isn’t showing right now, or at least the excuse she’s using not to.

Maybe.

She was bragging on line somewhere at how she was riding so many horses at a higher level than she ever did with MB not so long ago, I’m sure there’s a screenshot of that out there somewhere. So showing or not, she says she’s riding.

[avjudge]

@Knights_Mom

The court doesn’t know all this yet.

When the judge finds out that she’s been riding and has shown he may feel like he’s been intentionally deceived. We shall see.

But wasn’t that shown in social media posts that were attached to filings? So the judge should theoretically have seen her riding, unless the filings were reviewed by a rug shampooer who didn’t pass that along, if that is a thing.

[Knights_Mom]

@jvanrens

@MHM

@Knights_Mom

But it may be why LK isn’t showing right now, or at least the excuse she’s using not to.

Maybe.

She was bragging on line somewhere at how she was riding so many horses at a higher level than she ever did with MB not so long ago, I’m sure there’s a screenshot of that out there somewhere. So showing or not, she says she’s riding.

Absolutely. But now the defense has to show that to the Court/jury when the time is right.

[Knights_Mom]

@avjudge

@Knights_Mom

The court doesn’t know all this yet.

When the judge finds out that she’s been riding and has shown he may feel like he’s been intentionally deceived. We shall see.

But wasn’t that shown in social media posts that were attached to filings? So the judge should theoretically have seen her riding, unless the filings were reviewed by a rug shampooer who didn’t pass that along, if that is a thing.

Le gasp!! It is a law clerk - an attorney who serves as a judges assistant who should catch that if this judge has one.

Us vacuumers aren’t lawyers. Odds are the judge, his law clerk or whomever have not familiarized themselves with the criminal case like we have so they took erroneous statements submitted by quack attorneys like Nagel as gospel.

[3PonyFarm]

Off subject-I don’t know if it would happen but wouldn’t it be wonderful if MB was able to spend Thanksgiving with his friends offsite from Greystone? I hope so anyway.

[Sdel]

@lazaret

Typically it is done by requiring the person to pan the camera around the room or by stipulating that the room itself must also be recorded. You can stipulate whatever you want as long as you produce the equipment to facilitate it - so they could request a second computer connected to the meeting with audio muted that is recording the wider view of the room.

Could another way could be to stipulate that the camera face/show the door and the room only have 1 door? Also the cameras were left on the whole time so no one could sneak in during breaks.

I noticed during bankruptcy court that was common. I also attended a hearing where there was someone coaching off camera in the room. It got caught.

[MHM]

@Knights_Mom

Odds are the judge, his law clerk or whomever have not familiarized themselves with the criminal case like we have so they took erroneous statements submitted by quack attorneys like Nagel as gospel.

That’s certainly the way the rulings read.

[avjudge]

@Knights_Mom

Le gasp!! It is a law clerk - an attorney who serves as a judges assistant who should catch that if this judge has one.

I knew it wasn’t a vacuumer! I have seen the various roles discussed in this these threads but just couldn’t remember who it was that assisted the judge in these things. Thanks!

ETA: I would have expected the court to have a better idea of the relative quality of the lawyers than they seem to, at least from our perspective.

[Omgitsme]

Now I’m picturing JK crouched under a desk so he can’t be seen

[DownYonder]

@MHM

@Knights_Mom

Odds are the judge, his law clerk or whomever have not familiarized themselves with the criminal case like we have so they took erroneous statements submitted by quack attorneys like Nagel as gospel.

That’s certainly the way the rulings read.

Or he took the statements in JK’s email as gospel.