Mb civil suit rulings 11/15/2022

[Joanne]

Remind me: what did MB do to LK to bully her?

[Maria]

Indeed. I think there are so many variables in this case. In which, at least to me, there is not a definitive answer to what “exactly” happened at the farm house on August 7, 2019. Had there been proper forensics done at the scene, on the persons involved, had the camera been collected immediately and the download(s) to the cloud, there may be actual concrete evidence as to what really happened. Unfortunately this did not happen. Shameful in my mind. Because of the shoddy investigation, many scenarios can be thought of, of which make absolute perfect sense.

This is not a black and white case. We know certain things as fact, but then other thing are very very fuzzy.

For me, I look at the facts that have been established and then try to fit in the variables that have been proposed. The largest non-variable to me is LK’s history and admitted lying, admitting to wanting to Finish the bastard. That tells me so much.

LK was shot, that much is truth. Who shot her and how it happened is unknown. It may never be known. I have hope and expectations that so much more will be revealed in the criminal trial.

[ekat]

@Joanne

Remind me: what did MB do to LK to bully her?

Per her court testimony there was that one night he yelled at her, and that one time MHG wouldn’t let her use a bridle. That’s how she answered Mr Bilinkas, under oath.

[Joanne]

I figured it was something like “eat a sandwich.”

[jellybean2]

Did she not have her own bridle?

[OntheFnce]

@hut-ho78

@Rubyroo

My apologies, I’m not used to being around people who are so fragile. I’ll keep that in mind from now on.

Well, I see you received the mob welcome. It’s kind of like hazing. It only stops if you tell everyone how smart they are and dump on LK for a while.

Welcome to the Barisone threads!

No one said you had to be here and yet here you are.

[yaya]

@Joanne

I figured it was something like “eat a sandwich.”

That was a post by RG. (Don’t remember if it was Instagram or Facebook)

[Knights_Mom]

@eggbutt

I have a question about Lauren’s zoom deposition, will it be held in an attorney’s office that she will need to pay the standard rate for? Will there be proctor type witnesses to prevent any nefarious issues and will she be responsible for their fees as well? (How sad it is that anyone would suspect someone of cheating on a deposition, but she and her family have proven time and again that the law and ethics don’t apply to them.)

No idea what provisions the parties will want but I did my own Zoom deposition from my house and then my car.

[MorganSercu]

@Maria

I have hope and expectations that so much more will be revealed in the criminal trial.

Small but important detail - now it is the civil trial. I figure the auto fill worked its magic and got it wrong (I k ow YOU know it is now civil cases). It does it to me all the time.

[DownYonder]

@trubandloki

@Warmblood1

Have you ever have sweet potatoes with toasty little marshmallows on them? Melty and gooey but toasted on the outside…

My thought on this is that marshmallows are so wonderful that they can make almost anything delicious, probably even a sweet potato.

Marshmellows, smarshmellows. The Thanksgiving sweet potato casserole that I make has bacon, bourbon and pecans in it. (Oh, I lied. I use George Dickel Tennessee Whisky instead of bourbon).

[MorganSercu]

Yes, but you are not a known, proven liar while under oath on the witness stand.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@DownYonder

@Rubyroo

@DownYonder

Since LK sent the transcripts to SS in an effort to make MB look bad and hopefully get him suspended, my guess is the defense team wants the transcripts to help prove damages to MB’s reputation. My guess is also that the transcripts are not faithful to the content of the recordings and were altered to further LK’s goal of destroying MB (and also altered to minimize her participation in any wrongdoing). I also suspect that the “alterations” are the main reason the K-Klan is being so reticent about turning them over - they very well may prove that LK was weaponizing SS.

I would hope that Safe Sport would not use transcripts sent in by an alleged victim in an investigation without verifying against the actual recording.

I am about 100 posts behind but just wanted to say that I agree that it would be a travesty if SS had used KK’s transcripts as the basis for their investigation without verifying their accuracy.

But the point is not whether SS used those transcripts, but rather the integrity of the transcription. If the narrative as typed up by KK was not a faithful representation of what was actually said on the recordings, then that is evidence that LK was trying to weaponize SS for the purpose of undermining MB’s standing with USEF - and therefore trying to destroy his reputation and career. It seems to me that would be powerful ammunition for MB’s defense team in proving “damages” to MB.

I can’t follow that logic. She field with SafeSport that he was bullying and then he shot her. It validated the SafeSport complaint. If her gut was telling her it was unsafe (yes, she should have left) but she had a wrong perspective on the reason, her gut was still right. Once he shot her, it didn’t matter anymore. He was unsafe. The environment was unsafe. Any children that had been on the premises were in an unsafe environment.

With that logic, his complaints to USEF and SafeSport prior to shooting her could be construed as self justifying his shooting her through the organizations he felt most comfortable. Premeditated.

I don’t think so. I think it was tit for tat cascading bad decisions and a lack of professionalism. He was willing to ruin her dreams of competition but too “nice” to evict her? Then he shot her and and ruined his own life and nearly ended hers. Without a criminal record, he can rebuild but Google says NGRI verdicts stigma can also stay with the defendant.

The 8-9 concussions, his age, the divorce with the added business partner breakup, the cash flow issues, the freeze and living conditions with no one to help him through this, the deluge of hysteria in the information coming in from grudge holders against LK (who were not sued by JK nor at all frightened of him), he was all alone.

Hindsight, maybe he should have evicted MH and RC (along with her gun), calmed LK down and kept RG working to repair the house. At least he was getting some board from LK as compared to none from MH.

The problem with your continuing to obsess on these points is that your insistence of using faulty premise constantly delivers you to faulty conclusion.

[MorganSercu]

Recipe, pretty please!

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

I can’t follow that logic. She field with SafeSport that he was bullying and then he shot her. It validated the SafeSport complaint. If her gut was telling her it was unsafe (yes, she should have left) but she had a wrong perspective on the reason, her gut was still right. Once he shot her, it didn’t matter anymore. He was unsafe. The environment was unsafe. Any children that had been on the premises were in an unsafe environment.

With that logic, his complaints to USEF and SafeSport prior to shooting her could be construed as self justifying his shooting her through the organizations he felt most comfortable. Premeditated.

I don’t think so. I think it was tit for tat cascading bad decisions and a lack of professionalism. He was willing to ruin her dreams of competition but too “nice” to evict her? Then he shot her and and ruined his own life and nearly ended hers. Without a criminal record, he can rebuild but Google says NGRI verdicts stigma can also stay with the defendant.

The 8-9 concussions, his age, the divorce with the added business partner breakup, the cash flow issues, the freeze and living conditions with no one to help him through this, the deluge of hysteria in the information coming in from grudge holders against LK (who were not sued by JK nor at all frightened of him), he was all alone.

Hindsight, maybe he should have evicted MH and RC (along with her gun), calmed LK down and kept RG working to repair the house. At least he was getting some board from LK as compared to none from MH.

The problem with your continuing to obsess on these points is that your insistence of using faulty premise constantly delivers you to faulty conclusion.

[Mersidoats]

Yeah, I saw that first clap-back and immediately winced on the behalf of the original poster (they must be new here). I’ve learned a lot from @FitzE, and appreciate the clear way she lays out the legal facts of the situation. Definitely not someone whose intelligence I’d attack.

[DownYonder]

@hut-ho78

I can’t follow that logic.

No surprise there.

[Maria]

Don’t you hate when that happens!? Silly me, for sure I meant civil trial.

[OntheFnce]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@DownYonder

@Rubyroo

@DownYonder

Since LK sent the transcripts to SS in an effort to make MB look bad and hopefully get him suspended, my guess is the defense team wants the transcripts to help prove damages to MB’s reputation. My guess is also that the transcripts are not faithful to the content of the recordings and were altered to further LK’s goal of destroying MB (and also altered to minimize her participation in any wrongdoing). I also suspect that the “alterations” are the main reason the K-Klan is being so reticent about turning them over - they very well may prove that LK was weaponizing SS.

I would hope that Safe Sport would not use transcripts sent in by an alleged victim in an investigation without verifying against the actual recording.

I am about 100 posts behind but just wanted to say that I agree that it would be a travesty if SS had used KK’s transcripts as the basis for their investigation without verifying their accuracy.

But the point is not whether SS used those transcripts, but rather the integrity of the transcription. If the narrative as typed up by KK was not a faithful representation of what was actually said on the recordings, then that is evidence that LK was trying to weaponize SS for the purpose of undermining MB’s standing with USEF - and therefore trying to destroy his reputation and career. It seems to me that would be powerful ammunition for MB’s defense team in proving “damages” to MB.

I can’t follow that logic. She field with SafeSport that he was bullying and then he shot her. It validated the SafeSport complaint. If her gut was telling her it was unsafe (yes, she should have left) but she had a wrong perspective on the reason, her gut was still right. Once he shot her, it didn’t matter anymore. He was unsafe. The environment was unsafe. Any children that had been on the premises were in an unsafe environment.

With that logic, his complaints to USEF and SafeSport prior to shooting her could be construed as self justifying his shooting her through the organizations he felt most comfortable. Premeditated.

I don’t think so. I think it was tit for tat cascading bad decisions and a lack of professionalism. He was willing to ruin her dreams of competition but too “nice” to evict her? Then he shot her and and ruined his own life and nearly ended hers. Without a criminal record, he can rebuild but Google says NGRI verdicts stigma can also stay with the defendant.

The 8-9 concussions, his age, the divorce with the added business partner breakup, the cash flow issues, the freeze and living conditions with no one to help him through this, the deluge of hysteria in the information coming in from grudge holders against LK (who were not sued by JK nor at all frightened of him), he was all alone.

Hindsight, maybe he should have evicted MH and RC (along with her gun), calmed LK down and kept RG working to repair the house. At least he was getting some board from LK as compared to none from MH.

The problem with your continuing to obsess on these points is that your insistence of using faulty premise constantly delivers you to faulty conclusion.

Nailed it.

[DownYonder]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I think you are spot on with this, and your prior comment on the relevance of the transcripts.

I will only add, I think that MBs legal team might be thinking ahead about the SafeSport sanctions… and they might be pursuing the transcripts in the event they have to go to arbitration over SafeSport sanctions.

Multiple other SafeSport bans or sanctions have been overturned or reduced during arbitration proceedings. If SafeSport decides not to lift MBs ban upon his release from Greystone (that’s a possibility), and IF he then pursues arbitration concerning the SafeSport sanctions… these transcripts might prove very relevant.

Think about it.

IF there is a significant deviation of one type or another (an omission or misrepresentation) in the transcripts submitted by LK and KK as part of the original SafeSport complaint vs. the actual recordings they made… that would be VERY helpful evidence to have during an arbitration proceeding.

At this point, after having read many threads on this case and after having watched the trial… I would be willing to bet that the transcripts deviate from the recordings in some way. My guess is that certain conversations, statements, and key context was omitted.

Good point and I think you are spot on with your observations.

[DownYonder]

@Joanne

Remind me: what did MB do to LK to bully her?

@Joanne

I figured it was something like “eat a sandwich.”

Ok, I just spewed coffee on my keyboard.