MB CIVIL SUIT UPDATE #10 K’s Request to Adjourn (delay) DENIED 11/01/22

[ekat]

@trubandloki

I truly want to know what one says in a letter to a judge when they know they are not supposed to be writing a letter to the judge.

Fingers crossed that on or after Friday, someone decides to make it part of the public record.

(Just once, ponies, or kitties would be nice)

[ohnoO]

@hut-ho78

They only found 2 shell casings. LK was hit twice. RG could have been mistaken that a round was aimed at him. Something leaving holes like bullets would went through the windows

I’m pretty far behind, but will comment anyway. This is why I think MB was already on his back on the ground and one of the bullets went through LK and then through the door window—the saddle pad drying on the laundry room rack—and out the back window.

[hut-ho78]

@OntheFnce

@hut-ho78

@BatCoach

Hardly a misquote since I didn’t quote you.

Your hubris in saying that you know more about law than people who are lawyers and those who have spent decades in the legal support profession is laughable. Just because you google a few things does not make you an expert.

I love CoTH because I think many people can learn here. Most posters come here looking for help, or advice. However, there is the odd thread where a novice or a teenager saw a few Parelli videos and ran a barrel pattern on their back yard QH starts to buck against the good and well-meaning advice from posters on this forum. Posts made by real horsewomen who are professionals or skilled amateurs with a lifetime of experience that say “hey kid, I’ve been in your shoes, let me tell you what I wish I knew back then.” And the teenager huffs, puffs and claims that they know better.

Just something to think about.

You either have misunderstood me or are deliberately misquoting me. Either way, you are making my point in a backhanded way. Unless someone knows someone personally and who their alter is then anyone can claim to be anything. People who work in a field or don’t or are licensed and practice in the same area or a different area or had a class or a relative who was a witness or lawyer or judge or typed someone else’s notes can all claim to have legal knowledge. Those with legal knowledge are participating as a social activity. No credentials are required.

Here when someone says something even if backup are posted, if it goes against a certain scenario, someone may just say that is wrong or meanings are twisted. They may have originally posted the link and used excerpts but only excerpts that pertain to their position. That is assuming anyone ever looked anything up or spoke from knowledge to begin with.

I said for the purpose of this discussion forum I am overqualified because I look things up and I recommend others so as well. If someone says they have legal knowledge but they can’t look up New Jersey state law with google then that is a red flag. If someone talks about years in law but another field, that is a red flag. If someone repeatedly denies something that is stated again and again in legal articles written by lawyers from that state, that is a red flag.

If someone diagnoses someone over the internet with a mental health label, that is a red flag. If someone diagnoses a horse over the internet, that is a red flag.

What you have complained about, a bunch of no nothings self grandiosity about their knowledge yet arguing about their ignorance is exactly what is going on here.

I have always said I am not a lawyer. There are some posters that make sense and are very good about explaining law issues and procedures. I don’t complain about them. It’s the prevalence of posts by those who mix bias, agenda, and insults in with what little to no knowledge they do have are the ones that I say I and for that matter anyone looking stuff up on their own are over qualified for in any discussion on this forum.

You may look things up, but do you actually look up case law to see how other cases of similar nature have been ruled upon? Do you have access to LexisNexis? Just because you can Google does not mean you necessarily know what you are talking about.

I agree with you.

[McGurk]

@Scribbler

It’s always telling when folks are in a chat here on COTH and are gobsmacked to find out there are posters who are high level competitors, horse pros, real vets, real lawyers, etc. They just assume everyone is an adult beginner with no professional accreditation, like presumably themselves, and don’t have the basic knowledge base to tell when they are chatting to someone who knows their stuff in a given area.

This. So much this. I wish I had a dollar for every COTH smack down that consists of: “What do I know? Well, I’m a (blank) of (blank) years experience with these credentials (blank).” Followed by crickets chirping.

[Warmblood1]

@LexInVA

That’s where I think the notion that RG was a Marine comes from. Robert G. Goodwin was an established officer in the USMC during the time that RG - unsubstantiatedly - claimed to have been one, based on his age and known history with LK, but the two individuals are not one and the same. I noticed that his family members call him “Guy” instead of Robert and that’s likely because there are many men named “Robert Goodwin” in the area and I suspect some of them are family members and one may have been the above mentioned officer in the USMC.

Can I please defend all of the commissioned officers from the Marine Corps I’ve known and say that the likelihood that RG was ever a commissioned officer is highly, highly improbable? Not sure it someone has claimed RG was a USMC officer but he would have had to pursue a 4 year degree and then enlisted for likely at least a 4 year contract to have been one. His criminal record doesn’t have enough gaps in it for that to have happen IIRC. He also would not have qualified for a waiver.

RG may act like a recruit that never made it through boot camp but he certainly doesn’t behave as a commissioned MC officer.

@Rel6

I personally find the theory that he didn’t shoot LK to be absurd.

Not everyone here has the same theory. I believe he shot the gun in self defense. Always have.

@Sammy_the_Saddlebred

I still feel like the trajectory is problematic in terms of thinking the shooting went the way LK and RG said it did. The guy who testified about the ballistics (can’t remember his name or official title) and such explained that the gun could have been fired anywhere from the truck bumper forward and in an upward direction. To me, that seems like it was fired from the ground in a struggle.

And the angle of the entry and exit wounds indicated the same thing, as well as the fact that the bullet track in the door frame and out the window could have hit LK in that upward fashion and continued on upward through the wall/window behind her.

That guy’s testimony made the biggest impression on me. I have been amazed more people haven’t talked about that. The little bit of forensic evidence that does exist doesn’t point to their story at all. Makes the most sense that the gun was fired from the ground.

I just wanted to point that out in defense of the “grassy knoll” theories. It really doesn’t seem like MB was the aggressor or that things happened as the witnesses claimed.

Completely agree with you and also why I believe MB was attacked and used self defense. It sounds as though he was attacked getting out of his vehicle and the altercation brought them to the ground in front of the truck. LK’s story was unbelievable when she explained how MB allegedly shot at her and RG (with two different hands and a third bullet casing never found), but there actually IS forensic evidence to prove LK’s story a lie.

@hut-ho78

@OntheFnce

@eggbutt

Remember the good old days when we had to add a Caveat: no one deserves to be shot?

There are situations when someone may deserve to be shot

And once again, there it is. No.

Self defense in a constitutional right. That means that one is lawfully permitted to use deadly force, IE., shoot someone, if they are at risk of death or serious bodily harm. Therefore, it is entirely within the realm of possibility that MB was lawfully permitted to shoot LK in the case of self defense.

You may not like that fact but it really doesn’t matter. And self defense can not be disproven to have occurred in this case.

Self defense wasn’t allowed to be discussed at the criminal trial but the civil trial is an entirely different story. LK will also be stripped of any victim’s rights she had with the criminal trial.

Edit: typo

[jvanrens]

@ekat

@trubandloki

Have the posted the out of line note that Jonathan Kanarek sent to the judge in the civil case on the online court forum yet?

You just wanted me to click tractors, didn’t you?

Nothing new added today.

Your tractor clicking is appreciated.

[ekat]

@jvanrens

Your tractor clicking is appreciated.

Glad to be of help!

[erinmeri]

I still maintain that nobody deserves to be shot. In this case, I can understand HOW she was shot, and how she contributed to that outcome, which makes me far less sympathetic to her as a victim… But I don’t think she “deserved” it. I just think she willfully contributed to that outcome, whether it happened because he was insane and took aim, or because she got shot during a scuffle, or whatever. She was no innocent bystander, so I find it understandable how it may have happened.

That said, I don’t agree anyone ever “deserves” it, necessarily. I am staunchly against gun violence and believe that it is out of control in this country. Furthermore… Even the worst of criminals deserves a day in court. There are certainly some depraved people who, when assassinated, I don’t feel bad for… primarily those who commit mass murder or genocide… but I would prefer for people to rot in prison if they are unredeemable, than be shot.

Anyways… IANAL still cracks me up as the newer caveat. I still read it as two words. Juvenile, I know. But it makes me giggle.

[Warmblood1]

@erinmeri

I still maintain that nobody deserves to be shot.

So if someone was beating you to death with a baseball bat and you had a firearm, you wouldn’t save your life and discharge it?

[FitzE]

@DownYonder

Hmm, I speak proudly of the military members of my family - especially my WWII fighter pilot / career Air Force father. I do it because I AM proud of them, and so very, very appreciative of their willingness to serve and sacrifice for the rest of us.

Do some folks really consider it a faux pas to be proud of your family’s military service? How very sad.

That’s not it even kind of slightly at all. It’s about family of currently serving members who puff themselves up or whinge about the military life or complain on behalf of their family member. It’s generally a wife of active duty personnel thing. Other wives and family frown on the person who puffing themselves up based upon their husband’s current situation. Like when someone demands preferential treatment at a local business based on the military service of their spouse, not their own status.

I am utterly confused how you twisted it into ‘military families think it’s a faux pas to be proud of military service’. What a weird place to go to.

[erinmeri]

@McGurk

This. So much this. I wish I had a dollar for every COTH smack down that consists of: “Whatj do I know? Well, I’m a (blank) of (blank) years experience with these credentials (blank).” Followed by crickets chirping.

I agree. But I also think that there are some who would argue that because Poster X is a (blank) of (blank)… their word is the word of god. And I would disagree.

[trubandloki]

@jvanrens

Your tractor clicking is appreciated.

@ekat is going to be the best tractor IDer there is.

@Warmblood1

So if someone was beating you to death with a baseball bat and you had a firearm, you wouldn’t save your life and discharge it?

I think another/better example is - if someone you love is being beat to death with a baseball bat and you have access to a firearm, you wouldn’t save your loved one’s life and discharge it?

[erinmeri]

@Warmblood1

So if someone was beating you to death with a baseball bat and you had a firearm, you wouldn’t save your life and discharge it?

This would be purely hypothetical as I don’t advocate for gun ownership, but in self-defense, sure. Let me revise: Generally speaking, I don’t believe people deserve to be shot, EXCEPT IN CLEAR CASES OF SELF DEFENSE.

ETA: sorry for the caps, not directed at you. I mean, only when clear.

[erinmeri]

@trubandloki

I think another/better example is - if someone you love is being beat to death with a baseball bat and you have access to a firearm, you wouldn’t save your loved one’s life and discharge it?

Same answer as above. Of course in defense of a life. But not “I thought they had a gun” or “I thought my life was in danger” when I believed the ethical duty is to retreat. I don’t believe in stand your ground and any number of related excuses for shooting people.

[ohnoO]

@Warmblood1

Can I please defend all of the commissioned officers from the Marine Corps I’ve known and say that the likelihood that RG was ever a commissioned officer is highly, highly improbable? Not sure it someone has claimed RG was a USMC officer but he would have had to pursue a 4 year degree and then enlisted for likely at least a 4 year contract to have been one. His criminal record doesn’t have enough gaps in it for that to have happen IIRC. He also would not have qualified for a waiver.

RG may act like a recruit that never made it through boot camp but he certainly doesn’t behave as a commissioned MC officer

No S**t, Sherlock!

I wondered if Lex was talking about a RG relative.

[trubandloki]

@ohnoO

@Warmblood1

Can I please defend all of the commissioned officers from the Marine Corps I’ve known and say that the likelihood that RG was ever a commissioned officer is highly, highly improbable? Not sure it someone has claimed RG was a USMC officer but he would have had to pursue a 4 year degree and then enlisted for likely at least a 4 year contract to have been one. His criminal record doesn’t have enough gaps in it for that to have happen IIRC. He also would not have qualified for a waiver.

RG may act like a recruit that never made it through boot camp but he certainly doesn’t behave as a commissioned MC officer

No S**t, Sherlock!

I wondered if Lex was talking about a RG relative.

I thought that was exactly what Lex was saying in their post that the Robert G Goodwin that was an officer is likely a relative.

[Warmblood1]

I don’t know for sure. I thought maybe LK had said RG was an officer or something like that. I don’t even know how RG’s family member being a USMC CO was brought up.

[LexInVA]

@ohnoO

@Warmblood1

Can I please defend all of the commissioned officers from the Marine Corps I’ve known and say that the likelihood that RG was ever a commissioned officer is highly, highly improbable? Not sure it someone has claimed RG was a USMC officer but he would have had to pursue a 4 year degree and then enlisted for likely at least a 4 year contract to have been one. His criminal record doesn’t have enough gaps in it for that to have happen IIRC. He also would not have qualified for a waiver.

RG may act like a recruit that never made it through boot camp but he certainly doesn’t behave as a commissioned MC officer

No S**t, Sherlock!

I wondered if Lex was talking about a RG relative.

That’s exactly what I said. Robert G. Goodwin was in the USMC as an officer in the late 90’s and probably early 2000’s as well, but that individual absolutely wasn’t LK’s Robert Guy Goodwin, who doesn’t have a college education and is too young to have been that guy. As I said, there are many men named Robert Goodwin living in the same NJ/NY/PA region that RG’s family is from and I suspect that RG isn’t the only Robert G. Goodwin in the family and it’s possible that above USMC officer is a relative of his that he happens to resemble, as RG does share common facial features with his older male relatives. Also, the fact that his close family members call him “Guy” instead of Robert or Rob or some other such name, lends support to the idea that he has one or more relatives that he’s being differentiated from, despite a common name.

[trubandloki]

@LexInVA

and it’s possible that above USMC officer is a relative of his that he happens to resemble, as RG does share common facial features with his older male relatives

Heck Robert Guy Goodwin/Jim E Starks looks a ton like Jonathan Kanarek in that darn 48 hours episode.

[Warmblood1]

What is the relevancy of some other guy named RGG being a Marine?

We know RG has some sort of affiliation with the USMC, even if it’s just being a recruit that never made it through boot camp.