MB CIVIL SUIT UPDATE #10 K’s Request to Adjourn (delay) DENIED 11/01/22

[Knights_Mom]

@MHM

The horse world is full of people who show, but there are also people who don’t show.

True. But I think LK has made it clear her plans center on competition.

[MHM]

@Knights_Mom

@MHM

The horse world is full of people who show, but there are also people who don’t show.

True. But I think LK has made it clear her plans center on competition.

Meh. Maybe.

According to the USEF website, she has not shown for more than two years. And she’s not eligible to show right now since she has not completed her safe sport training. Which is a pretty easy thing to do, if you were actually planning to compete.

I was just pointing out that there are people in that part of Florida who spend lots of time there with their horses without ever setting foot in the show ring.

[Knights_Mom]

I totally get what you are saying. I just don’t think she’s one of those people. She was probably told not to show because of the case. Or she’s using that as her reason.

I imagine that if you’re self conscience (like say a narcissist would be as an example), riding in a show with a bunch of eyes on you when you know those eyes want you to crash and burn test wise, doesn’t fill you with warm fuzzy feelings. It might even be triggering.

[lazaret]

@Fat_Dinah

But, the fact that she is there is something the mental health board and Taylor have to acknowledge. I imagine the last thing they would want would be a new round of court filings over orders of protection.

Just a note, this cannot and should not be a factor in determining whether an NGRI acquittee can be released. Protecting society at large is a factor. Avoiding more paperwork is not a factor.

[MHM]

@Knights_Mom

I totally get what you are saying. I just don’t think she’s one of those people. She was probably told not to show because of the case. Or she’s using that as her reason.

I imagine that if you’re self conscience (like say a narcissist would be as an example), riding in a show with a bunch of eyes on you when you know those eyes want you to crash and burn test wise, doesn’t fill you with warm fuzzy feelings. It might even be triggering.

Anything is possible.

From the USEF website competition record, it does look like there’s a long history of not showing up at competitions that were already entered. Like, maybe one actual score out of every five or six opportunities to receive a score over a few years. And no shows entered at all since 2020.

So not showing appears to be a pretty long-standing habit. Not a very new development.

[lazaret]

I feel there’s a little mischaracterization of the Wellington/Loxahatchee area here. While yes, someone can be miles apart from someone else - even in season, you don’t run into people 40 times a day. It can be a 40 minute drive from the south end of Wellington to White Fences, which is a gated community. Whole parts of Loxahatchee are literally on dirt canal roads.

While I agree there’s a whole wide world out there to choose from, it’s also true that the Wellington area is still, for the moment, the mecca in season and while some BNTs are branching out to Tryon or Ocala, if you want to make a team, you’re going to be showing in a Wellington CDI in a major championship year. So if you’re someone who wants to be bragging about training and competing with the best, it’s still the place if that’s a claim you want to make.

[LilRanger]

@MHM

I will say there are people who choose to be in Wellington or Loxahatchee without any plans to compete. They just want to be in the thick of things, or spend the winters in a warm location, or have access to good training, etc., etc.

The horse world is full of people who show, but there are also people who don’t show.

This could absolutely be the case, but moving within 5 miles of the property owner by the person who was tried for shooting you -almost immediately after the shooting, no less- is not common or ordinary

[MHM]

Oh, for sure.

I was just pointing out that there are people in that area who do not compete. It’s not a requirement in order to live there.

[hut-ho78]

I withdrew a post because it did not follow moderator guidance.

[lazaret]

Oh, I would say most of the people I know there don’t do a ton of showing. However, one of the reasons to go is because it’s so damn convenient to show - a 20 minute trailer ride, show off the trailer in front of S and 5* judges, and be home within 2 hours, for the cost of a schooling show locally. The same for the training - I can pop out and ride with any of 5 olympic team members on a tuesday, show up on a thursday to put some pieces together for showing, have my trainer pop out from their farm to warm me up, and then take next tuesday’s lesson to pick apart what needs working on. It certainly is efficient.

[Omgitsme]

Technically RG did physically assault MB. Technically. I’m not here to argue about self defense etc

[lazaret]

I think it’s clear to me that all parties involved would have restraining orders against each other, regardless of the disposition of the case.

[MHM]

@lazaret

I think it’s clear to me that all parties involved would have restraining orders against each other, regardless of the disposition of the case.

How does that work in the real world? What if they both happen to be shopping for groceries in the Loxahatchee Publix at the same time?

I always seem to run into people I know at Publix. Lol.

[LilRanger]

I’d think one turns and leaves if they see the other, or just order groceries online to avoid that completely. Or have someone else do the public shopping. I’d highly recommend keeping the video button handy on the phone in areas that may be used by the other party, to show your actions in case there’s a complaint…

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Omgitsme

Do any of us know what SS rules are? Sometimes I’m not sure they know their rules.

I’ve stated the SS policy as I remember it. However, it’s likely that SS has never dealt with a NGRI verdict before, so this is uncharted territory for them. I think it is very uncertain as to that the outcome of his current interim suspension will be.

I remember that this verdict has never before been addressed. Previously addressed are straight Guilty and Not Guilty.

As MBs verdict was NG, once released from the mental defect hold they have ZERO grounds to continue the suspension to my thinking.

We shall see.

I agree with the first part. I believe SS has not previously dealt with a NGRI verdict on something as serious as attempted murder.

His verdict was NGRI, not NG. It’s not clear to me how SS will handle it.

[arktos19]

Just Mr. and Mrs. Neener, if I recall correctly…. . I will check next time we’re in that part of the cemetery. 🪦

Spooky season aside…. We also went past several vintage hearses parked along one section of roadway decked out in Halloween decor. I asked what was going on and was told “we’re having a picnic!” Of course… silly me

[hut-ho78]

@Omgitsme

Technically RG did physically assault MB. Technically. I’m not here to argue about self defense etc

But it was self defense and not assault.

[Fat_Dinah]

I don’t think its OK. As I said, I don’t think she should have done that. But that is the reality. And while the judge might want to tell her to relocate, he doesn’t have any legal authority to do that. He does have legal authority to hold or release Barisone. So if he sees the need to keep them separate, his only option is with Barisone.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Omgitsme

Technically RG did physically assault MB. Technically. I’m not here to argue about self defense etc

But it was self defense and not assault.

No proof that it was. Certainly the majority of people believe it was assault.

[Knights_Mom]

@Fat_Dinah

I don’t think its OK. As I said, I don’t think she should have done that. But that is the reality. And while the judge might want to tell her to relocate, he doesn’t have any legal authority to do that. He does have legal authority to hold or release Barisone. So if he sees the need to keep them separate, his only option is with Barisone.

This is completely incorrect.