MB CIVIL SUIT UPDATE #10 K’s Request to Adjourn (delay) DENIED 11/01/22

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

BTW we now see the motive behind this ongoing insistence that the NGRI verdict means MB was found to have shot LK. And that he is still a danger.

That’s clearly being done to assert the SS suspension should not be lifted. It will be used to try and keep MB from ever competing again. It’s a punitive act. A gotcha by grifters.

Will it work? I certainly hope not. What a travesty it would be if it did while the real culprit of this sick twisted drama could go on to compete even though they don’t.

MBs current SS suspension is not a sanction. He is on an interim suspension while they investigate and determine what the final disposition of the case will be.

The interim suspension will be lifted when SS completes its investigation.

I am not advocating that MB be permanently banned, and would have zero influence on SS anyway.

[DownYonder]

Question for the legal eagles - and apologies if this has already been asked.

Do judges hearing civil cases in these types of situations ever review the circumstances surrounding the associated criminal trial?

Is it possible that Sceusi might take a look at the L&C coverage of the criminal trial and/or the evidence or transcript of the criminal proceedings? Or is that verboten?

[Knights_Mom]

He can do whatever he wants though he should use what’s presented.

[eggbutt]

Remember the reality show “America’s Next Dressage Star” or something similar? Dover was the master and JJ Tate, Rebecca Vick and Brendan Curtis were the only three contestants I can remember.

[MHM]

I totally missed that. Is it available to watch online somewhere?

[Angela_Freda]

There was a similar show for Big Eq, Brianne Goutal was on it, maybe? The Maddens were on it, and Norman Della Joia(sp)?

[MHM]

@Angela_Freda

There was a similar show for Big Eq, Brianne Goutal was on it, maybe? The Maddens were on it, and Norman Della Joia(sp)?

Omg. I LOVED that show. I believe it was called Road to the Maclay.

I saw them filming at a bunch of shows, and I knew how it turned out in the end, but it was still fascinating and hilarious to watch the whole thing play out.

When they showed the individual episodes on TV each week that winter, it was always a hot topic of conversation the next day at the horse show. Lol.

I think the episodes are posted on YouTube. Or they were a while ago, anyway.

[Knights_Mom]

There was a jumper one with a gal named Brittany something

[Omgitsme]

I just changed my little avatar to a picture I took of JJ Tate aboard Kynynmont Gunsmoke’s Gideon a few hours ago!

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@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

I’m not aware of anyone who wants MB permanently suspended by SS, not even LK and her parents. I don’t know where y’all come up with this stuff.

So you are asserting that LK and her parents do not want MB permanently suspended from SS? How would you know that?

I don’t know it and neither do you.

[BatCoach]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I meant the permanent or final disposition of his case, whether permanent ineligibility, reinstatement with restrictions, or full reinstatement.

Thank you. That is a far more balanced statement than “SS appears to be considering his permanent sanction.”

[Fat_Dinah]

Nancy Jaffer wrote an article in May when the interim suspension was done. It said: “The not guilty verdict puts a new wrinkle in the SafeSport proceedings. Since opening its doors in 2017, the Center has not dealt with a similar type matter, according to spokesman Dan Hill.”
SS has to determine whether the NGRI is exculpatory like an NG verdict or if it is not, like an Alford plea. This is a matter of law separate from the particulars of Barisone’s individual case. Because Congress did not write that specifically in the law, the SS legal staff has to extrapolate what their intention VS. an NGRI would have been.
Then that finding would be applied to Barisone. If NGRI is exculpatory, that removes the criminal charge misconduct on him. If it is not, the criminal misconduct has been verified by trial.
SS can consider that and other evidence then in a decision. Barisone has the right to appeal directly to SS. His attorneys could also challenge the NGRI interpretation to a legal court.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

I’m not aware of anyone who wants MB permanently suspended by SS, not even LK and her parents. I don’t know where y’all come up with this stuff.

So you are asserting that LK and her parents do not want MB permanently suspended from SS? How would you know that?

I don’t know it and neither do you.

[Knights_Mom]

@Fat_Dinah

Nancy Jaffer wrote an article in May when the interim suspension was done. It said: “The not guilty verdict puts a new wrinkle in the SafeSport proceedings. Since opening its doors in 2017, the Center has not dealt with a similar type matter, according to spokesman Dan Hill.”
SS has to determine whether the NGRI is exculpatory like an NG verdict or if it is not, like an Alford plea. This is a matter of law separate from the particulars of Barisone’s individual case. Because Congress did not write that specifically in the law, the SS legal staff has to extrapolate what their intention VS. an NGRI would have been.
Then that finding would be applied to Barisone. If NGRI is exculpatory, that removes the criminal charge misconduct on him. If it is not, the criminal misconduct has been verified by trial.
SS can consider that and other evidence then in a decision. Barisone has the right to appeal directly to SS. His attorneys could also challenge the NGRI interpretation to a legal court.

What happened isn’t even remotely close to an Alford plea. MB never pled guilty.

It was adjudicated plainly. Not Guilty. No crime, no mens rea. There is no extrapolating it any other way in my opinion and logically speaking.

[Sdel]

@Knights_Mom

It was adjudicated plainly. Not Guilty. No crime, no mens rea. There is no extrapolating it any other way in my opinion and logically speaking.

I suspect once the evidence of all the plotting since April 2019 comes out, SS will have a hard time justifying any kind of suspension. I’d bet that the interview is a formality that has to be completed before a decision can be released by SS.

None of the factors of consideration lend to any kind of suspension. Maybe a few mental health clearances will be required over the next couple of years, but nothing that would significantly impact his participation in the sport.

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@Ambitious_Kate

@hut-ho78

I’m not aware of anyone who wants MB permanently suspended by SS, not even LK and her parents. I don’t know where y’all come up with this stuff.

Why would you be aware of it? Who are her parents to you? You think they would inform you of anything they intend? Or do they? I love these people who try to make themselves seem relevant by insinuating they have an inside scoop on what the K’s personally want.

We have a pretty good idea of what they want and what they are doing based on observation but no one here pretends they actually know the K’s and what they want. That’s pretty bold on your part to insinuate you know them enough to know what they want or don’t want. We come up with our theories, since it perplexes you so much, because that’s what it looks like, we’ve put together their activities, tendencies, personas, and verbalized intents and that’s what we see, a drug addicted 41 year old mediocre rider who taunts people and tries to make herself seem relevant by disrupting people’s lives. She has told us and we know that she has written to SS to ruin MB, and that she wrote to SS to put him in a bad spot, so we have a pretty good idea of what LK and very likely her whole family is trying to do to MB. That’s where WE come up with it. Through paying attention to what they say and do.

But how would you, a nobody who doesn’t know the K’s and who doesn’t pay critical attention to what they do become “aware” of their wants or needs in any manner whatsoever? Unless you have expectation to be informed by them of what they want, you would never know one way or another what they actually want. You don’t pay attention to what they do, you don’t listen to what they say. you wouldn’t have any way to know one way or another anything about them.

Yes, I’m a nobody in a bunch of nobody’s posting on COTH forums. Of course, JK did say on 48 Hours that MB should be in a prison (not an institution) for the rest of his life so I’m wrong there. However, IM said he could see a scenario where LK took lessons from MB again.

I'm Nobody! Who are you? (260) by Emily Dickinson - Poems | poets.org

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@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

No one here has any influence with the judge one way or the other.

Does that mean you, as an uninvolved party, have not been sending letters to the judge asking for things to go a certain way, like Jonathan Kanarek did?

Why would I do that? Why are y’all trying to organize complaints against a judge?

I can see a scared father doing that but nobody posters? Maybe y’all all think you’re somebody.

[DownYonder]

@hut-ho78

a scared father

[eggbutt]

Check online. The name is correct. It’s been a while since it was on. It was filmed at Dover’s facility.

[MHM]

Thanks.

For one split second I wondered why it had been filmed at a Dover tack shop. Lol.