MB CIVIL SUIT UPDATE #10 K’s Request to Adjourn (delay) DENIED 11/01/22

[DownYonder]

@hut-ho78

I understand that the staff that worked with him daily said not to release.

Not sure who you are getting your info from, but their understanding - and yours - is flawed.

Quotes below are from someone who was at the hearing:

During the [Krol] hearing the State’s witness, Dr. Bajgier testified that her evaluations and interactions with Michael led her to the conclusion that he was not suffering from any mental defect any longer, HE IS NOT A DANGER TO HIMSELF, OTHERS, OR PROPERTY, and her recommendation was that he be released to the community and continue with out-patient treatment…Michael’s entire treatment team which consists of 2 doctors, his social worker, and the unit nurse and program coordinator all came to the joint conclusion that Michael IS NOT A DANGER TO HIMSELF, OTHERS, OR PROPERTY!

Dr. Bajgier [again, the STATE’S WITNESS) was also questioned about the Violence Risk Assessment that was done by the hospital’s psychologist. The VRA is used by the psychiatrist to help form her opinion to be used in her report. The Assessment relayed that Michael was VERY LOW RISK FOR VIOLENCE, and recommended release to the community with outpatient treatment as well. The Assessment is typically confidential and not handed over to the prosecutor, but it was requested in this case by Schellhorn and Michael willingly released it to the court.

There was a footnote that the AKFC committee did not agree with the findings of Michael’s treatment team and recommended he be moved to Greystone for intensive treatment. That committee did NOT meet with Michael, they never spoke with him at all so no one knows how they came to their conclusion.

In all, three doctors testified at the hearing that MB was not a risk to himself or others and should be released, but Taylor decided to ignore their recommendations and instead sentenced MB to Greystone for at least 6 months (also ignoring the Krol directive that there be another hearing in 3 months).

And really, the fact that you and your source got this crucial bit of info so very, very wrong seriously undermines your credibility.

[eggbutt]

@DownYonder

And maybe we can take up a collection and send a stack of those pizzas to MB once he gets moved to Greystone. Surely the staff there would find a way to cook them. And now I’ve made the post germaine to this topic.

What a fantastic idea!!!

[Knights_Mom]

@FitzE

Actually, really authentically good pizza is so different from anything you’d get from most local ‘good Italian restaurants’. It’s so different that a frozen version of it is better than fresh from the best local pizza unless you live near an exceptional place.

I thought food/recipes/pets were germane to every topic on COTH, no?

See this is what happens when you live outside the northeast!!

[FitzE]

I used to live in a large city in Asia where my local pizzeria had a Michelin star!

It wasn’t extra fancy or anything, it was just just an amazing pizza place. The chef had studied in Naples for years and passed some certification there. Then he built a wood-fired oven and made spectacular pizzas.

[DownYonder]

@erinmeri

Numerous troubling things that I read in a very short amount of time. Here’s just one.

Morristown, NJ Patch – 17 Feb 22

Wow. That is a very sobering read.

[Knights_Mom]

@DownYonder

@erinmeri

Numerous troubling things that I read in a very short amount of time. Here’s just one.

Morristown, NJ Patch – 17 Feb 22

Wow. That is a very sobering read.

Hopefully this prompted changes in the facility and with its leadership.

[3PonyFarm]

I believe that contributed to why some thought the judge’s decision was punitive and jerky.

[erinmeri]

@Knights_Mom

Hopefully this prompted changes in the facility and with its leadership.

They have had a new interim CEO for 8 months. Prior, “Greystone has improved “to some extent” since the settlement was signed, Davison said, with the state hiring “quality professionals” and the number of assaults declining, “but they are not low enough.”.

Troubled N.J. psychiatric hospital gets new interim CEO

[EmilyM]

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Could MB not sue or form sort of appeal over this?
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I was thinking about this myself. I am going to guess that whatever process to sue would move at even more of a glacial pace as the process to move him to a facility. I have learned through the years (thanks to this topic and others I’ve followed) that quick in the court system is painfully slow to the average person. I have absolutely zero knowledge but I suspect he’s being advised to wait because filing some type of legal action would delay his move and then also need to go through its long process. I AM PURELY SPECULATING. Also IANAL. Maybe actual attorneys could opine on this speculation.

[Martina]

This is probably the best thing I’ve learned about on COTH! Thank you!

[3PonyFarm]

There was an update on the GFM that MB was moved to Greystone.

[erinmeri]

@3PonyFarm

There was an update on the GFM that MB was moved to Greystone.

I am still getting the “unknown error” message when I click on the link. Anyone care to quote?

[3PonyFarm]

Help Michael Barisone rebuild his life., organized by Lara Hausken Osborne

[3PonyFarm]

Hopefully the GFM posted correctly and you can read the new update.

[SillyHorse]

@3PonyFarm

There was an update on the GFM that MB was moved to Greystone.

This is great news!

[trubandloki]

Thank you for the link @3PonyFarm. It made reading the update much easier.

Glad to read that Michael has been moved.

Any of the COTHers that work in the mental health field know why new arrivals are not given something that gives them information on how things are done there? That seems like a way to make these things more stressful for people, which I would think is not what they want.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@DownYonder

@hut-ho78

I understand that the staff that worked with him daily said not to release.

Not sure who you are getting your info from, but their understanding - and yours - is flawed.

Quotes below are from someone who was at the hearing:

During the [Krol] hearing the State’s witness, Dr. Bajgier testified that her evaluations and interactions with Michael led her to the conclusion that he was not suffering from any mental defect any longer, HE IS NOT A DANGER TO HIMSELF, OTHERS, OR PROPERTY, and her recommendation was that he be released to the community and continue with out-patient treatment…Michael’s entire treatment team which consists of 2 doctors, his social worker, and the unit nurse and program coordinator all came to the joint conclusion that Michael IS NOT A DANGER TO HIMSELF, OTHERS, OR PROPERTY!

Dr. Bajgier [again, the STATE’S WITNESS) was also questioned about the Violence Risk Assessment that was done by the hospital’s psychologist. The VRA is used by the psychiatrist to help form her opinion to be used in her report. The Assessment relayed that Michael was VERY LOW RISK FOR VIOLENCE, and recommended release to the community with outpatient treatment as well. The Assessment is typically confidential and not handed over to the prosecutor, but it was requested in this case by Schellhorn and Michael willingly released it to the court.

There was a footnote that the AKFC committee did not agree with the findings of Michael’s treatment team and recommended he be moved to Greystone for intensive treatment. That committee did NOT meet with Michael, they never spoke with him at all so no one knows how they came to their conclusion.

In all, three doctors testified at the hearing that MB was not a risk to himself or others and should be released, but Taylor decided to ignore their recommendations and instead sentenced MB to Greystone for at least 6 months (also ignoring the Krol directive that there be another hearing in 3 months).

And really, the fact that you and your source got this crucial bit of info so very, very wrong seriously undermines your credibility.

The quotes you provide from “someone who was at the hearing” are from Lara Osborne, as posted on the GFM page.

Nancy Jaffer was also at the hearing, and her report, from a more impartial viewpoint, was different.

The state’s witness said that MB was not delusional (as the state maintained at the trial) and could be released. Dr Simring, who testified at the trial that MB was delusional, reported that he was still delusional but could be treated with intensive outpatient treatment.

The administrative committee from AKFC that was charged with making the recommendation on release recommended he not be released.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The administrative committee from AKFC that was charged with making the recommendation on release recommended he not be released.

I know you like to add things to facts to make them different than the actual facts but the admin committee is not who makes the decision there. They were a foot note, not who wrote the report. All of the medical staff that had treated Michael said he was not a risk to himself or others.

Good try though…good try.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

The administrative committee from AKFC that was charged with making the recommendation on release recommended he not be released.

I know you like to add things to facts to make them different than the actual facts but the admin committee is not who makes the decision there. They were a foot note, not who wrote the report. All of the medical staff that had treated Michael said he was not a risk to himself or others.

Good try though…good try.

I’m pointing out that the sense of the hearing that I got from reading the report of Nancy Jaffers was quite different from the sense one gets from reading the report by Lara Osborne.

I was pointing out that both the state and the defense experts maintained their assessment from the trial — Simring that he continued to be delusional and the state that he was not delusional.

From Jaffers, I understood that the committee from AKFC that was charged with making a recommendation as to his release recommended no release at this time. I don’t know whether they evaluated him personally, read reports from staff who had evaluated him, and/or were on his routine care team.

You were disputing the summary provided by HH; her summary was consistent with the Nancy Jeffers article, although not consistent with the report of Lara Osborne.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

The administrative committee from AKFC that was charged with making the recommendation on release recommended he not be released.

I know you like to add things to facts to make them different than the actual facts but the admin committee is not who makes the decision there. They were a foot note, not who wrote the report. All of the medical staff that had treated Michael said he was not a risk to himself or others.

Good try though…good try.

I’m pointing out that the sense of the hearing that I got from reading the report of Nancy Jaffers was quite different from the sense one gets from reading the report by Lara Osborne.

I was pointing out that both the state and the defense experts maintained their assessment from the trial — Simring that he continued to be delusional and the state that he was not delusional.

From Jaffers, I understood that the committee from AKFC that was charged with making a recommendation as to his release recommended no release at this time. I don’t know whether they evaluated him personally, read reports from staff who had evaluated him, and/or were on his routine card team.

You were disputing the summary provided by HH; her summary was consistent with the Nancy Jeffers article, although not consistent with the report of Lara Osborne.

You are incorrect.
The committee had no representative at the hearing. They could not be cross examined by anyone.
The committee’s comment was, as has already been said multiple times but you are ignoring it, a footnote.
The doctors from the hospital who testified, and could be cross examined, all said that Michael was not a risk to himself or others.