MB CIVIL SUIT UPDATE #10 K’s Request to Adjourn (delay) DENIED 11/01/22

[Sdel]

@erinmeri

and we wouldn’t have to see images of torture devices disguised as “bits” threatened upon us by Mod1. Lol.

If they were really serious we would have seen something like this:

Maybe next time……

[erinmeri]

@Sdel

If she were really serious we would have seen something like this:

Fair! Although, that “bit” looks worse to me!!! Ouch.

[Sdel]

@erinmeri

@Sdel

If she were really serious we would have seen something like this:

Fair! Although, that “bit” looks worse to me!!! Ouch.

There was usually a nasty mouthpiece attached to those as well.

[lazaret]

For the purposes of civil litigation, you can’t claim that even though prior to whatever incident you were not earning any money, the incident made it such that you can never earn any money. There’s some exceptions to this - if you were a medical student, it could be reasonably claimed you were derailed from a future high earning career, as an example. It goes to prospect of future advancement.

However if you had clearly no intention of developing a career you cannot claim loss of future earnings on the idea that you could earn that money theoretically, maybe, someday. Factors are the plaintiffs earnings before the incident, health, prospects of advancement, and the length of time the plaintiff would have reasonably been expected to work if not for the incident.

I could also in theory become a lottery winner or a Nobel laureate, however I cannot claim that either of those outcomes are statistically likely.

[Warmblood1]

@erinmeri

it appears that MB was driven insane

Yup.

I believe LK et al are going to try to argue MB was “insane” prior to meeting LK. Depression and insanity are worlds apart. MB was a successful business man with a great deal of wealth and assets who had no criminal history or significant mental health events prior to meeting LK. He has a successful competition record at the highest levels and has a very good history with clients. It was proven MB was insane at the time of the shooting with the criminal trial. While the criminal trial’s verdict holds no bearing on the civil trial, I do think his insanity is significant when comparing MB prior to LK and after LK. It’s quite hard to argue LK did not drive MB insane since she was the only change in MB’s successful life prior to events. I think this all relates to LK’s responsibility to mitigate her circumstances. Fearful victims do not stay and drive their who they are fearful of to insanity. They leave.

Also far fetched is to say SGF should have in any way not entered into any sort of leasing agreement with MB because he had a history of depression. That’s like saying I can’t rent to you an apartment because you have been depressed at some point in your life.

[Warmblood1]

@lazaret

For the purposes of civil litigation, you can’t claim that even though prior to whatever incident you were not earning any money, the incident made it such that you can never earn any money. There’s some exceptions to this - if you were a medical student, it could be reasonably claimed you were derailed from a future high earning career, as an example. It goes to prospect of future advancement.

Thanks for clearing that up - that’s what I’ve been wondering.

But I’m still stumped on what basis LK is claiming loss of wages. Am I hallucinating and loss of wages is not part of the civil suit?

[erinmeri]

@Warmblood1

Yup.

I believe LK et al are going to try to argue MB was “insane” prior to meeting LK. Depression and insanity are worlds apart. MB was a successful business man with a great deal of wealth and assets who had no criminal history or significant mental health events prior to meeting LK. He has a successful competition record at the highest levels and has a very good history with clients. It was proven MB was insane at the time of the shooting with the criminal trial. While the criminal trial’s verdict holds no bearing on the civil trial, I do think his insanity is significant when comparing MB prior to LK and after LK. It’s quite hard to argue LK did not drive MB insane since she was the only change in MB’s successful life prior to events. I think this all relates to LK’s responsibility to mitigate her circumstances. Fearful victims do not stay and drive their who they are fearful of to insanity. They leave.

Also far fetched is to say SGF should have in any way not entered into any sort of leasing agreement with MB because he had a history of depression. That’s like saying I can’t rent to you an apartment because you have been depressed at some point in your life.

You don’t have to convince me! I have a history of anxiety and depression, and even suicidal ideation… but I have never been insane. I have felt borderline irrational after I became the target of a crazy person, but I also was never subjected to the type of targeted abuse he suffered. I recently had a coworker who made me a target… that’s who drove me to be borderline nuts… and I wasn’t eating or sleeping because of her. I was on edge and not entirely rational. She got herself fired because of her antics… but I can see how she might have driven me over the edge. She came close. And she was totally certifiable, but nowhere near as bad as LK.

ETA: like LK, she targeted everyone in shooting range, including her peers, her managers, and her direct reports… and that is how she met her downfall.

[BigMama1]

@Mersidoats

This is me putting a Mikmar in my mouth and listening to the half-halt. Mmmph.

What is that torture device in the picture? Please don’t tell me people actually put that in a horse’s mouth…

[BigMama1]

@Graymaresrule

Her parents can probably claim her on their taxes if she earns less than $4300 per year and they provide more than half her suppot.

Even though she’s in her 40s? I think here you can only claim an adult child as a dependent if they have some serious disability

[ekat]

@Warmblood1

But I’m still stumped on what basis LK is claiming loss of wages. Am I hallucinating and loss of wages is not part of the civil suit?

It’s definitely in there. She’s going to have to prove it though.

LK Civil Suit.pdf (233.1 KB)

[Warmblood1]

I’m sorry you went through that. I had someone drive me nuts in management and try to sabotage my job because they wanted my position. They were nothing like the intensity of LK such as trying to destroy my reputation publicly, or false child abuse accusations etc., but I was absolutely miserable working with them. It’s hard to imagine the tenacity of LK as a predator IRL. People have made me crazy for much less.

[BigMama1]

@Warmblood1

But I’m still stumped on what basis LK is claiming loss of wages. Am I hallucinating and loss of wages is not part of the civil suit?

Me too. The only thing I think she can reasonably claim is pain and suffering. Undoubtedly she has experienced both and likely continues to. However I think her lawyers will have a very tough time convincing a jury that MB / RC / SGF are responsible for it.

[erinmeri]

The lost wages part makes me laugh, and laugh, and laugh. Especially since she herself cannot provide proof of said wages.

[erinmeri]

@Warmblood1

I’m sorry you went through that. I had someone drive me nuts in management and try to sabotage my job because they wanted my position. They were nothing like the intensity of LK such as trying to destroy my reputation publicly, or false child abuse accusations etc., but I was absolutely miserable working with them. It’s hard to imagine the tenacity of LK as a predator IRL. People have made me crazy for much less.

Honestly? The Barisone threads and discussions about Narcissism and other diagnoses helped me, because she was so insane. One day she wanted me to mentor her, the next she wanted to undermine me… the sky was never blue, and I didn’t know which way was up. My boss, his boss, and I all believe she wanted to be me… but it doesn’t explain all of it. She also lobbed false accusations against me… but the people involved were like “what???”

ETA: interestingly, it was her treatment of staff (not me) that did her in.

[ekat]

@erinmeri

The lost wages part makes me laugh, and laugh, and laugh. Especially since she herself cannot provide proof of said wages.

I’m equally interested in this:

[erinmeri]

@ekat

I’m equally interested in this:

This is HER extreme emotional distress? Lol.

[ekat]

Yeah. And again, she has to prove it, with medical records. That should be fascinating.

[Warmblood1]

Question: how can RC be held liable if she did not know MB would use her gun and since MB did not commit a criminal act?

Copied from a legal website:

“However, much depends on whether you deliberately and voluntarily encouraged or assisted the perpetrator or if you knew of his planned criminal activity but did nothing to prevent it.

To prove you guilty of accomplice liability, the prosecutor must be able to prove:

• That someone other than you committed a crime.
• That you either encouraged, counseled, aided or commanded the culprit to do it.
  * That your actions in this regard were both knowing and deliberate.”

[Sdel]

@Warmblood1

However, much depends on whether you deliberately and voluntarily encouraged or assisted the perpetrator or if you knew of his planned criminal activity but did nothing to prevent it.

I assume this is part of how Seeker’s transcripts come in…and their accuracy…and why she might be refusing to comply with her subpoena…

[ekat]

@Warmblood1

Question: how can RC be held liable if she did not know MB would use her gun and since MB did not commit a criminal act

Here’s her claim against Ruth Cox:

Basically LK is saying RC was negligent and should have known what would happen.

That’s also something she has to actually prove.