MB CIVIL SUIT UPDATE #10 K’s Request to Adjourn (delay) DENIED 11/01/22

[Einhorn]

@ekat

All of this is just so very weird.

Judge S is probably sitting in chambers cursing the day they called him out of retirement.

But you know what it does do? Makes the possibility of joining jk and kk to the case as cross-defendants a real possibility.

And if they all have Nagel representing them that would be very bad for them. JK and kk have skin in the game then, because I assume their assets are not only larger than lks, but likely not as protectable, like that house in FLA that jk co owns. And their home in NJ, which doesn’t appear to have homestead laws.

Oh, snap!

[trubandloki]

@Einhorn

The regulating associations usually come down hard on the unauthorized practice of law. So JK might want to be clear he’s not representing KK.

Does that lose the whole attorney/client privilege things that Bruce brought up between Lauren and her father in one of his original letters to the court?

I have a question about this (above screen shot) statement in Bruce’s latest filing for the smart legal folks.
I did not realize that was how discovery worked in a criminal case. I did not know that the prosecuting attorney got to say “this is relevant so they can have it, but this here is not relevant so we are not sending this over”. I thought the prosecution had to hand over all discovery to the defense.
Is Bruce implying that the state did not share everything they found?

[Syrynx]

Husband saw me looking at this comment and said he got one the other day asking to identify horses. Finally one we would get!!

edited to imbed image

[eggbutt]

We’ve known for over 3 years JK was part of the conspiracy to Finish the Bastard. That is crystal clear. He probably provided legal advice as well, which we know now is woefully inadequate and ignorant. I hope the entire family goes down in flames with RG and Rosie too.

[ekat]

@Einhorn

But you know what it does do? Makes the possibility of joining jk and kk to the case as cross-defendants a real possibility.

And if they all have Nagel representing them that would be very bad for them. JK and kk have skin in the game then, because I assume their assets are not only larger than lks, but likely not as protectable, like that house in FLA that jk co owns. And their home in NJ, which doesn’t appear to have homestead laws.

Oh, snap!

And that is an absolutely excellent point. That door keeps getting kicked open wider and wider.

Dad didn’t help his cause by emailing the judge. And now we have this - I don’t even know what to call it - opposition in re: someone else Nagel is not on record representing. It’s turning into quite a muck pit here.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

Is Bruce implying that the state did not share everything they found?

That seems to be exactly what he’s implying - that Schellhorn did not disclose everything to Michael.

@trubandloki

Does that lose the whole attorney/client privilege things that Bruce brought up between Lauren and her father in one of his original letters to the court

That privilege Bruce likes to claim but has provided no evidence exists? Yes. I am pretty sure Bruce is taking his cues from LK on the subject of privilege here.

[ekat]

@Syrynx

Finally one we would get!!

I love this!

[trubandloki]

@ekat

@Syrynx

Finally one we would get!!

I love this!

But then there is me, who looks at the center photo and wonders - is that a pony? Does a pony count here? The instructions say horses so the center one should not count.

[Syrynx]

@trubandloki

I did not realize that was how discovery worked in a criminal case. I did not know that the prosecuting attorney got to say “this is relevant so they can have it, but this here is not relevant so we are not sending this over”. I thought the prosecution had to hand over all discovery to the defense.
Is Bruce implying that the state did not share everything they found?

I didn’t think they could pick and choose either what they think is relevant or not.

[Einhorn]

@trubandloki

”. I thought the prosecution had to hand over all discovery to the defense.

I think they may have grounds of not handing over what they aren’t using to make their case?

Everyone gets access to all the records/evidence/witnesses that you’re using against them. But I’m not well versed in criminal procedure to know what can be withheld from discovery. If anything.

[Jenerationx]

Silver can write! Love him.

@ekat

Ok, here’s the other one:

Oooh and so can Deininger!

@Syrynx

Wait, so JK sent an email to the judge completely bypassing both attorneys?

Yep, and the Judge forwarded it to the attorneys.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@Jealoushe

@Sdel

So is there truth to the YT claims about this judge and Taylor?

What are the claims? I avoided YT comments

Taylor gave her the notes he took during the criminal trial for use in the civil trial and Sceusi took ex-parte evidence that proved MB’s attorneys were lying to dismiss the police suit.

So at a minimum, there does appear to be some truth at ex parte contact with both judges by JK.

Re bolded.

What is the basis for this claim?

The civil suit against the police was dismissed before the truth or lack thereof of the allegations was even determined. It was dismissed because, even if one assumed all the allegations were true, the judge determined that MBs civil rights would not have been violated.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@ekat

@Maria

BUT, NEVER have I seen a judge give out their personal notes they took from a hearing. The judges notes are NOT part of the Official Record and normally are destroyed after the judge writes, issues and files his decision.

Here’s one of many times she references Judge T’s notes, and the info therein:

At best, LK is running her mouth and fingertips off for whatever reason motivates LK. At worst, that’s a bad look for Judge T. And again, this is just one example. She said it several times. Probably screenshots exist elsewhere.

Considering that JK has obviously contacted Sceusi ex-parte in this case, I assume he must have also done so in the police suit and the criminal case. The outcomes from those contacts may be fabricated, but it does seem that JK has indeed contacted these judges. And by extension it would seem he also had probably contacted AK’s board and they are the ones who put in that footnote that Judge Taylor used to justify holding Michael.

JK seems to have a lot of power in influencing all the decision makers controlling Barisone’s fate, in your view.

All the judges (in three trials now), plus the administrators at AKC.

[MHM]

@trubandloki

@ekat

@Syrynx

Finally one we would get!!

I love this!

But then there is me, who looks at the center photo and wonders - is that a pony? Does a pony count here? The instructions say horses so the center one should not count.

Same. It would be easy to overthink it. Lol.

[lazaret]

Delays are normal, even more so in the past few years.

Some of the other actions, which admittedly wouldn’t normally be call for attention in a case that’s only interesting to the involved parties, are legally interesting.

Personally I think it’s good for people to see “real life lawyering” as opposed to what’s on Law and Order. I believe that all citizens should have a better understanding of their rights and the legal process.

[lazaret]

So, there’s a little bit of semantics at play here.

In a criminal case, discovery entails the defendant having a right to all the information their accuser has to make a case against them.

This means if the prosecution says that something isn’t relevant and therefore not being used in the case against the defendant, that is technically in bounds.

In a civil case however discovery is a lot more wide ranging and can cover any information that is relevant to a claim or counterclaim.

This is a little more complicated than I’ve explained here but that’s the gist.

[Syrynx]

Thanks for this explanation.

[EADoug]

Thank you. I am getting more and more curious on how weird / unusual / interesting things keep piling up here, and am interested in the legal aspects.

I always believed that real life lawyering is pretty dry, same as crime solving. TV needs to drama things up to keep us going WTF! at every turn.

So yes, as I’m learning along here, I started to question if we were all attempting to make it sound more exciting or interesting just because, and that in real life, nothing worth noting was happening.

[Knights_Mom]

I’d implead RG into the case. There are many reasons for this.

[Angela_Freda]

@Knights_Mom

I’d implead RG into the case.

Explain for us ianal types?