MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[LilRanger]

@DownYonder

Really? He has a copy of the SS report? Wow, I thought SS never released that kind of stuff. Would that have taken a subpoena?

Maybe the accused gets a copy as part of the decision making process?

[ekat]

@ohnoO

remember at some point in the criminal trial people (Mr D., maybe) were trying to get a piece of equipment to work to hear some recordings. I believe it was after a recess before the jury came back. Was it those recordings?

That was specifically the surreptitious recording RG made of the meeting with ED, JK, and LK.

[ekat]

@LilRanger

Maybe the accused gets a copy as part of the decision making process?

That was my thought.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@DownYonder

@CurrentlyHorseless

[Nagel] threw in that LK was potentially at higher risk of harm from Covid exposure due to the injury to her lungs (a major impetus for the personal injury suit). I think he threw that in more to get in a dig at Barisone— ‘Look the guy shot her and caused permanent damage to her lungs and now you’re insisting that she undertake avoidable travel during a Covid surge’.

I think he threw it in to try to influence the judge. IOW, he wants to make sure the civil trial judge repeatedly hears or reads that “MB shot LK” - and will therefore develop a negative opinion of MB right from the outset.

Exactly. The whole job of the attorneys is to influence the judge to have a positive opinion of their own client/ negative opinion of the opponent.

Exactly why Barisone’s lawyer chose the picture of LK giving a one finger salute instead of any of the thousands of others he could have chosen to establish that she is living life normally.

I don’t think Nagel really cared if the judge thought she was actually at higher Covid risk due to the gun shot wounds. He just wanted to preach “the defendant caused serious personal injury to my client”.

[ohnoO]

Thank you.

[ekat]

@ohnoO

Thank you.

You’re welcome.

[ohnoO]

Too bad, I would have loved to hear that!

[DownYonder]

@Long_Time_Lurker

@DownYonder

But - can Deininger, Silver, etc., request that Nagel not be allowed (not sure of the correct legal term) to represent LK in the courtroom due to his derogatory comments about the jury in the criminal trial?

Why would they want to do that? Isn’t it to their advantage if the plaintiff is poorly represente

Good point, but as someone mentioned upthread - attorneys often spout off about various verdicts and there aren’t any real repercussions.

And after thinking about it some more, I would be willing to bet that Deininger and Bilinkas are not overly concerned about meeting Nagel in the courtroom.

[BigMama1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Huh? Before the trial, obviously.

In response to the charges, Barisone pled both NGRI and Not Guilty by Reason of Self Defense.

At some point you may find it best to stop arguing with those who actually understand the law and perhaps learn something from them instead.

[ekat]

@ohnoO

Too bad, I would have loved to hear that!

Me too. The one point we got that was allowed in was ED asking if the recording was made at the locker and RG laughing and saying well, that one.

I wanted to hear more!

[SillyHorse]

@BigMama1

At some point you may find it best to stop arguing with those who actually understand the law and perhaps learn something from them instead.

lol

[DownYonder]

@ohnoO

Wasn’t there a “sweeps” technician testifying at the criminal trial that said he found many recording devices? I don’t recall a number.

My recollection from the testimony was that the sweeper found no hidden recording devices.

I do remember LK boasting that they had placed the devices “where no one would ever find them,” which makes me wonder how thorough a job the sweeper did, and what technology he employed to try to locate said devices.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

Huh? Before the trial, obviously.

In response to the charges, Barisone pled both NGRI and Not Guilty by Reason of Self Defense.

At some point you may find it best to stop arguing with those who actually understand the law and perhaps learn something from them instead.

LOL.

LilRanger, a lawyer who I respect, responded to that post with Mea Culpa, admitting that she spaced out on the issue of Barisone’s pleas. Maybe she had read “plea” as “plea deal”. It happens.

At some point you may find it best to actually read the whole exchange before sending off your condescending little missives.

@SillyHorse
@Ambitious_Kate

[ohnoO]

@DownYonder

My recollection from the testimony was that the sweeper found no hidden recording devices.

Rats! I guess I’m revealing my memory skills.

[LilRanger]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I don’t think Nagel really cared if the judge thought she was actually at higher Covid risk due to the gun shot wounds. He just wanted to preach “the defendant caused serious person injury to my client”.

This could be true, but it’s a poor tactic by Nagel if it is what he did. With that basis in mind, the motion reads as basically wasting the court’s time with accusations because you can’t be bothered to do a good job advocating for your client’s position.

[BigMama1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

LOL.

LilRanger, a lawyer who I respect, responded to that post with Mea Culpa, admitting that she spaced out on the issue of Barisone’s pleas. Maybe she had read “plea” as “plea deal”. It happens.

At some point you may find it best to actually read the whole exchange before sending off your condescending little missives.

And yet you have continued to ignore, argue, and misstate the actual law, not just on that point but in many others. To what purpose?

[Ambitious_Kate]

@BigMama1

At some point you may find it best to stop arguing with those who actually understand the law and perhaps le

Lol, yes, please.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@LilRanger

@CurrentlyHorseless

I don’t think Nagel really cared if the judge thought she was actually at higher Covid risk due to the gun shot wounds. He just wanted to preach “the defendant caused serious person injury to my client”.

This could be true, but it’s a poor tactic by Nagel if it is what he did. With that basis in mind, the motion reads as basically wasting the court’s time with accusations because you can’t be bothered to do a good job advocating for your client’s position.

Was it necessary for Nagel to write that due to LK receiving two gunshot wounds to her lungs courtesy of the defendant and that there is some probability or presumption that she may be more at risk if infected with COVID than the general population of 40 year olds if he couldn’t back it up with expert testimony? No, probably not. Even if true, I doubt the scientific evidence to establish that it’s true exists, so attaching the proof is not feasible.

But if you’re representing the plaintiff in a personal injury case, and the gunshot wounds to the lungs are the primary injury, do you omit mentioning it just because you can’t prove it?

I see the rationale for Deininger’s photos of LK partying in NYC and sitting on a horse— more than I understood the rationale for the lone horse. But you don’t think the specific choice of the middle finger shot was to get in an extra dig in while establishing she’s living life normally?

I think I understand what you and the other lawyers have been saying. However, I think Nagel’s primary justification for requesting the remote deposition is the two genetic, universal considerations that have nothing to do with LK specifically— zoom is cheaper, more efficient, and minimizes Covid risk.

[DownYonder]

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@Angela_Freda

@Scribbler

I am genuinely surprised to hear that Seeker1 is verified as Kirby Kanarek. I did not believe that a functional parent of a long time problem adult child would incriminate herself to that extent on SM
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Well, these things are a mystery to me, but how does this get verified?
I mean, I can be anyone on the internet, cant I?

I’m not caught up yet, but this is exactly my question.

Couldn’t I make up a KK email and link to my Seeker1 postings?

Maybe the tech team checked the URL? (Is that the right terminology?)

Not a tech expert, but it is my understanding that everyone’s COTH account is linked to an email address. It is listed under your profile but is not displayed to the public.

I assume that in theory someone could create a pseudo email account - my service provider allows me to create four extra email accounts for free (all linked to my primary account) - and I assume that I could then use one of those aliases to create a new COTH profile to post under.

But the Mods could see that both COTH usernames generally post from the same ISP and they could also probably pretty easily determine via various methods that both usernames are linked to the same individual (even if the various user profiles list different email addresses, they are all linked to the same “base” email account).

So I guess there could be three possibilities:

• The “Seeker1” user account was actually created by KK, using her own actual email address.
• Someone else used KK’s actual email address to create the Seeker1 account
• Someone else created a pseudo email account for KK, based on their own email account, and then used that to create the Seeker1 user account on COTH

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Was it necessary for Nagel to write that due to LK receiving two gunshot wounds to her lungs courtesy of the defendant and that there is some probability or presumption that she may be more at risk if infected with COVID than the general population of 40 year olds of he couldn’t back it up with expert testimony? No, probably not. Even if true, I doubt the scientific evidence to establish that it’s true exists, so attaching the proof is not feasible.

But if you’re representing the plaintiff in a person injury case, and the gunshot wounds to the lungs are the primary injury, do you omit mentioning it just because you can’t prove it?

I see the rationale for Deininger’s photos of LK partying in NYC and sitting on a horse— more than I understood the rationale for the alone horse. But you don’t think the specific choice of the middle finger shot was to get in an extra dig while establishing she’s living life normally?

I think I understand what you and the other lawyers have been saying. However, I think Nagel’s primary justification for requesting the remote deposition is the two genetic, universal considerations that have nothing to do with LK specifically— zoom is cheaper, more efficient and minimizes Covid risk.

I believe Bruce needs to follow the rules and those rules appear to require him to have proof of what he says if what he says is an exception, even more so an exception that the plaintiff is asking for in the personal injury case they filed, ya know, where they are being asked to go for their deposition…again…in the case they filed.

Lauren Kanarek told the defense to go to her social media, she posted that photo on her social media. If she did not want people seeing that photo of her then I would assume she would not put it on her social media.

The lawyers here have explained this to you several times now.