MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

My understanding is that the defendant in a criminal case is generally shielded from prejudicial information not pertaining directly to the current charge, whether past crimes or being a chronically unemployed alcoholic.

With respect to LKs claim against SGF that they knew or should have known that MB was abusive and mentally unstable makes his past conduct relevant.

I think MBs past will be “relatively more exposed” than LK’s just because he had the protections in the criminal case, and Bilinkas got in stuff about LK and RG as much as he could.

You obviously think one or two clients not getting along with him to be damning and impose culpability on SGF and others for failure to deem him unstable.

You fail to recognize or acknowledge that other than (hypothetically) 2 clients the rest of his customers liked him and had good business relationships with him. There was no reason or expectation upon others to know or that they should have known he was going to be unstable in some future seemingly cataclysmic event.

That fact is that he didn’t get along with LK because her behavior is beyond the norm. And boy will this be shown to the jury!

Meanwhile they’ll also see MB who has composed himself throughout his career to reach the top of his sport. They’ll see Ninja Night and Locker Listen. They’ll be told about rifling through his office, reporting him to various entities etc. AND ALL BECAUSE HE WANTED HER OUT OF A STABLE.

This wasn’t about curing cancer or the clap. This was about a couple of drug using, known to law enforcement in multiple states, jobless grifters who stomped their feet because no one wanted them in that sandbox any more.

And that’s the crux of it. And any jury will see that and will award and punish according to that.

[cutter99]

@eggbutt

@McGurk

And then they’d have to consider her comparative negligence in refusing to leave when asked.

Then I suspect there might be a deep dive into her “income”. It (the trial) appears to be right up Law & Crime Network’s alley!!!

Geez, I do wonder where this woman of “unlimited resources” gets her income from when she has no manner of employment nor has seemed to have any for many, many years?

Day trading? Capital investment? Stock speculation?

Or maybe she got it the old fashioned way- she earned it!

[trubandloki]

@cutter99

@eggbutt

@McGurk

And then they’d have to consider her comparative negligence in refusing to leave when asked.

Then I suspect there might be a deep dive into her “income”. It (the trial) appears to be right up Law & Crime Network’s alley!!!

Geez, I do wonder where this woman of “unlimited resources” get her income from when she has no manner of employment nor has seemed to have any for many, many years? Day trading? Capital investment? Stock speculation?

I assume it will come out at the trial. It has to. If she is claiming lost wages or loss of income they have to discuss how she gets income.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

Think about it. The person Lauren Kanarek has been getting legal advice from, her father, Jonathan Kanarek is someone who has pending contempt charges because he has not bothered to respond to a subpoena

Stunning, isn’t it?

[ekat]

@Joanne

Has there been any response to the Deininger filing from LK’s lawyer?

Not as of about 30 minutes ago.

[Warmblood1]

@trubandloki

@Warmblood1

If she did indeed have a family member that were in a top global firm, why wouldn’t they represent her? I think she is just blowing smoke, as usual.

I thought her brother-in-law did work for a well known law firm. Wasn’t it something like that.

It does make one wonder how they picked THIS lawyer for their civil case. Was Bruce recommended by her top 10 global blue chip law firm? Is he someone that one of her lawyer relatives recommended? Or was Bruce the guy they could get to take their case.

Think about it. The person Lauren Kanarek has been getting legal advice from, her father, Jonathan Kanarek is someone who has pending contempt charges because he has not bothered to respond to a subpoena.

Your line of thinking has been mine… why this lawyer? My gut tells me pickings are slim. If you had a great track record, would you want to screw it up with this case? And how much alcohol would one have to drink to deal with a client like this?

I also was trying to remember the sibling’s jobs, connections, what not… who exactly could have been an option for legal defense within the family outside of JK. If there is a great lawyer in the fam and they won’t take her as a client, that’s quite telling.

And I also wonder just how much JK knows about criminal law, self injury lawsuits and the like being a corporate lawyer. Obviously, I think even he knows ignoring subpoenas is bad but I also think he is limited in this realm.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

. If she is claiming lost wages or loss of income they have to discuss how she gets income.

Yet another fascinating thing to watch for, as you have to prove it with wage statements and the like.

[trubandloki]

@Warmblood1

Obviously, I think even he knows ignoring subpoenas is bad but I also think he is limited in this realm.

Clearly he is limited.
I mean…he has so many other options than to ignore the subpoena.
Even the average person with no legal training knows you can not just ignore a subpoena.

[skydy]

I don’t think that these civil suits are going to be pleasant or fruitful for any of the Kanareks involved.

Whatever LK’s motivation, greed, notoriety or both, she is in for a long haul and balking at the first fence doesn’t bode well.

I hope that someone, including her attorney, has advised her that she will not be subjected to the very limited questioning that she was in the criminal trial. She will be raked over the coals this time.

I wonder at the parents ignoring subpoenas. There must be a reason. Derailing the lawsuit comes to mind, but I don’t know enough about it to know if their lack of response could help to turn things in that direction. A seriously peeved judge seems unlikely to help their daughter’s case and from what I understand, it’s unlikely they’ll be jailed for contempt if they refuse to cooperate.

Mrs. Kanarek’s posts in the COTH forums were very strange. Surely her husband won’t want her subjected to the mess that this will become. Perhaps, being a retired attorney, Mr. Kanarek sees noncompliance as a means to an end?

I wish, for the sake of everyone concerned, that the lawsuits stop and that everyone move on with their lives. This can’t be good for MB and it certainly looks as though it won’t be good for the Kanareks either.

I understand why MB is very upset by the actions of LK and RB but I wonder if it is really in his best interests to continue in court, if her lawsuits were to be dismissed.

[trubandloki]

@ekat

@trubandloki

. If she is claiming lost wages or loss of income they have to discuss how she gets income.

Yet another fascinating thing to watch for, as you have to prove it with wage statements and the like.

I suppose it will also come up why Jonathan Kanarek is in charge of all her money too. I mean, it all has to make sense to the jury.

[cutter99]

@Warmblood1

@trubandloki

@Warmblood1

If she did indeed have a family member that were in a top global firm, why wouldn’t they represent her? I think she is just blowing smoke, as usual.

I thought her brother-in-law did work for a well known law firm. Wasn’t it something like that.

It does make one wonder how they picked THIS lawyer for their civil case. Was Bruce recommended by her top 10 global blue chip law firm? Is he someone that one of her lawyer relatives recommended? Or was Bruce the guy they could get to take their case.

Think about it. The person Lauren Kanarek has been getting legal advice from, her father, Jonathan Kanarek is someone who has pending contempt charges because he has not bothered to respond to a subpoena.

And how much alcohol would one have to drink to deal with a client like this?

Enough alcohol to drop a moose, and enough that the three times divorced ugly guy, who is dumber than a box of rocks and hits on every woman in the bar, is looking like an excellent choice to take home for the night!

Or in other words- I ain’t ever been that drunk!

[trubandloki]

@skydy

I wonder at the parents ignoring subpoenas. There must be a reason. Derailing the lawsuit comes to mind, but I don’t know enough about it to know if their lack of response could help to turn things in that direction. A seriously peeved judge seems unlikely to help their daughter’s case and from what I understand, it’s unlikely they’ll be jailed for contempt if they refuse to cooperate.

I do think this is part of it.
Jonathan Kanarek knows that he and his wife Kirby will likely only get a slap on the wrist for not complying. They do not want their information out there because it will incriminate them and to them it is easier to get in trouble for not answering than it is to admit the things they have done.

[ohnoO]

Well, I would just like to say that I do not have words to express my appreciation for what all you legal eagles have contributed to this issue!

You have used your expertise, but more so, your patience to help us laymen limp through all of this

I feel like I should be paying tuition, (but I might need to rearrange some things. )

Thank you from the bottom of my heart!

[Warmblood1]

@skydy

Whatever LK’s motivation, greed, notoriety or both, she is in for a long haul and balking at the first fence doesn’t bode well.

I hope that someone, including her attorney, has advised her that she will not be subjected to the very limited questioning that she was in the criminal trial. She will be raked over the coals this time.

I wonder at the parents ignoring subpoenas. There must be a reason.

I love your horseperson point of view IRT balking at the fence in terms of legal moves.

That said, WHY would she proceed with this civil suit? Is it sheer delusion? Ego? The NYT article addressed the negative public reaction regarding her. Was she trying to garner sympathy? Possibly. But it seems she is not happy with the public disliking her. I don’t understand her willingness to air all the bad things that will come with the civil trial.

And I think JK/KK likely ignored subpoenas largely because they know there won’t be huge repercussions… maybe a fine. It certainly doesn’t appear strategic. More so infantile and pouty.

[skydy]

@Warmblood1

That said, WHY would she proceed with this civil suit? Is it sheer delusion? Ego? The NYT article addressed the negative public reaction regarding her. Was she trying to garner sympathy? Possibly. But it seems she is not happy with the public disliking her. I don’t understand her willingness to air all the bad things that will come with the civil trial.

I don’t understand the motivation either. That’s why I hope somebody has explained to her how difficult this will be.

Though her father seems to try to manage what he can in her life, unfortunately he seems to have little influence as far as her behavior is concerned.

[eggbutt]

Everyone is giving too much credit for the choice of Nagel. Keep in mind they all thought it would be a slam dunk with Micheal sentenced to 80 years (obviously Nagel too). Nagel is probably nothing more than a golfing buddy at the country club. They are totally out of their league in every respect.

[Mersidoats]

@Warmblood1

That said, WHY would she proceed with this civil suit? Is it sheer delusion? Ego? (Ding-ding-ding!) The NYT article addressed the negative public reaction regarding her. Was she trying to garner sympathy? Possibly. But it seems she is not happy with the public disliking her. I don’t understand her willingness to air all the bad things that will come with the civil trial.

Emphasis mine.

She was a big fish in a small pond. It’s easy to pick on people and throw your weight around when you are a big, nasty, vocal, fish in a small pond. If you are fish who hates to lose, you develop all sorts of nasty habits and tactics to intimidate everyone who gets in your way. Your ego grows, you start to think you are invincible, untouchable, and deserve to get your way all the time.

Now the fish is in a much bigger pond, and under a much bigger microscope. But that doesn’t mean it’s ego is any smaller. No, egos rarely shrink. They tend to stay perpetually bloated after a certain number of years. The fishy is so used to getting what it wants that it doesn’t see any other possible way forward. It has to win.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@IdahoRider

@CurrentlyHorseless

Huh? Before the trial, obviously.

In response to the charges, Barisone pled both NGRI and Not Guilty by Reason of Self Defense

I think you are confusing a defendant submitting a plea (“I plead not guilty”) before the trial and a plea offer/arrangement/deal made between a pleading (“I plead not guilty”) and the end of trial where a jury starts to deliberate. It is my understanding that a plea deal can be offered and accepted up until the jury gets the case.
Sheilah

No, I’m not confused. I was not talking about accepting a plea offer.

With an affirmative defense such as self defense or insanity the defense has to give the prosecution a heads up well before the start of the trial.

Therefore he submitted pleas of Not Guilty by reason of self defense and Not Guilty by reason in insanity, both affirmative defenses.

If he had not been relying on the affirmative defenses of self defense or insanity, he could have just pled Not Guilty.

[eggbutt]

OMG…the broken record again!

[Ambitious_Kate]

@CurrentlyHorseless

difficult for me to imagine there’s any more dirty laundry on LK that you personally have not aired.

Not much imagination then
You have no idea.