MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Ambitious_Kate

Yabbut I don’t think any of the defendents feel there’s any reason to negotiate. Why? Bring it. Wrte ready and we’ll win. Or, just quit. And our bills are paid. Daddy has the money, right?

The thing I worry about for all 3 defendants at this point is their costs. If all of the money directly tied to LK is protected by a spendthrift trust… and if JK or KK are never actual parties to these suits… even if the defendants prevail, they might never be able to recoup their legal fees, much less any judgement against LK.

[Knights_Mom]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@Knights_Mom

The tell, or at least one of them, is when she threatened me to take my farm and homevia a lien. That’s not a threat I’ve heard anyone make to anyone.

And I called her out on it.

A reminder: Whatever you cast out into the universe is returned threefold. This is no different. And I’m in absolute awe watching it.

Whoa. I missed that whole interaction you had with her as well, given that I came late to the MB related discussions on COTH. You had referred to the threats before… but I wasn’t aware of the full content.

That’s nuts. I can certainly understand you watching the way it is unfolding now with a bit of fascination…

Oh that’s just one of multiple posts.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ekat

She had to want one though. If she’s telling Nagel she’s not exiting, he can’t negotiate it for her.

True. I doubt she wants one. But… I wonder if JK and KK want one at this point. I’m sure they would never admit it… but if the whole case got dismissed in the next month, before any discovery got too far… I wouldn’t be surprised if they breathed a sigh of relief.

[ekat]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

The thing I worry about for all 3 defendants at this point is their costs. But f all of the money directly tied to LK is protected by a spendthrift trust… and if JK or KK are never actual parties to these suits… even if the defendants prevail, they might never be able to recoup their legal fees, much less any judgement against LK.

Well, one day she may inherit something outside of a trust, or sell that house and plunk the money into something garnishable, or something.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

The thing I worry about for all 3 defendants at this point is their costs. But f all of the money directly tied to LK is protected by a spendthrift trust… and if JK or KK are never actual parties to these suits… even if the defendants prevail, they might never be able to recoup their legal fees, much less any judgement against LK

I guess it depends on that discovery. I wonder if they “discover” kk and jk had a bigger part to play in it all, then could they bring suit against them?. Does the statute of limitations start when they perpetrated the con, or when it was discovered?

[trubandloki]

@FitzE

@trubandloki

I would assume that if they typically write this poorly that they have someone…anyone…on staff to proof their documents before they go out.
I think the person who cleans the office every evening could have proofed that document and made it better.

Wait a minute - do you think they hired the same three-proofer team used by The Maestro?!

Oh my gosh, that is brilliant!!! That must be it!

[jvanrens]

@trubandloki

@FitzE

But it’s hard to final proof your own writing.

Clearly, Bruce would agree with you!

One would hope anyway!

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Ambitious_Kate

I guess it depends on that discovery. I wonder if they “discover” kk and jk had a bigger part to play in all the and could bring suit against them. Does the statute of limitations start when the perpetrated the con, or when it was discovered?

I’ve wondered about this as well. The primary pathway I see for any of the three defendants to have any chance of recouping their legal fees spent defending themselves is if they can find a way to bring in JK or KK in a counterclaim, or an independent suit.

Also… JK and KK are NJ residents. Their NJ house isn’t protected by a homestead exemption, the way LK’s in Florida is. So there’s that…

[Ambitious_Kate]

Exacatically. How liable are they?

[DownYonder]

@EADoug

this leads to inflated ego and a distorted reality. They really aren’t living in the same reality the rest of us are if their entire circle is feeding their sense of self-worth and importance.

Yes - when their psyche develops around the concept that they are “the chosen one,” they will go through life believing they are in fact “the chosen one.” And it is inconceivable to them that others don’t recognize and pay homage to their “specialness.”

[ekat]

@Ambitious_Kate

Does the statute of limitations start when they perpetrated the con, or when it was discovered?

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I’ve wondered about this as well. The primary pathway I see for any of the three defendants to have any chance of recouping their legal fees spent defending themselves is if they can find a way to bring in JK or KK in a counterclaim, or an independent suit

Here in my neck of the woods, if discovery led you there, you’d add them on to the original suit if it’s still proceeding. Also, the statute of limitations here carves out language re: discovery of the tort.

I have no idea about NJ though.

[Angela_Freda]

@Davignport

It would seem for the very first time, LK is faced with having to answer for all of the horrible things she has done. The trial verdict, I am sure, is the worst that could have happened for the Kanarek family. As long as there were no real legal ramifications for what dear Lauren did along the way, daddy was fine with shelling out money to keep her happy

But this ^ paved the way for…

@Davignport

this turn of events, the world as they know it might well be falling apart and their dirty laundry will be out for all to see.

If she’s had any kind of substance abuse counseling, if they have, they know enabling will Bite you in the end.

[Angela_Freda]

@Ambitious_Kate

Early on, Lauren’s atty filed a request to freeze assets on MB specifically pointing out that the farm in NJ was being sold. The judge laughed. Why? He hasn’t had any judgement against him. He can do whatever he wants wirh his assets. She showed her hand right there. She didn’t mention any investments, or retirement, or bank funds, or offshore accounts. She was squealing about the NJ farm being sold. She had said, too, on SM that she would get that farm. It was her plan.

His antique cars…

[3PonyFarm]

On Daily Record, there is a new article on why insanity defences are so rare in Nj but you have to be a subscriber to read it.
Is anyone here a subscriber that could read it and pass along what it says? I thought maybe it would have info about Krol hearings. Thanks

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ekat

Here in my neck of the woods, if discovery led you there, you’d add them on to the original suit if it’s still proceeding. Also, the statute of limitations here carves out language re: discovery of the tort.

I have no idea about NJ though.

Ahhhhhh. Very interesting. Thank you for explaining this.

So would they be added on to MB’s counterclaims? That seems like it might be straightforward.

But what about SGF and RC? Have they even tried to allege a counterclaim? I can’t recollect. If not, how might they go after JK or KK for any liability?

[Ambitious_Kate]

Yes. I believe I remember they do have a counterclaim.

[SpicyPRE]

Assuming LKs funds are in a trust, would that keep them safe/preserved should she lose? I have to wonder how she is paying her attorneys.

Does anyone have screenshots of her bragging about her unlimited funds?

[Einhorn]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

And think of all the hours all these lawyers are going to rack up during the discovery process, given that they are going through THOUSANDS of social media posts by LK… then preparing for depositions, etc.

Not to mention the costs of enforcing the subpoenas…

[Sdel]

@Ambitious_Kate

She showed her hand right there. She didn’t mention any investments, or retirement, or bank funds, or offshore accounts. She was squealing about the NJ farm being sold.

And horses. She made a big deal about some of those being sold too.

[ekat]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

But what about SGF and RC? Have they even tried to allege a counterclaim? I can’t recollect. If not, how might they go after JK or KK for any liability?

@Ambitious_Kate

Yes. I believe I remember they do have a counterclaim.

Michael is the only one with a counterclaim.

SGF and RC can ask for fees in their defense but honestly I don’t have a clue how they could go after Jonathan and Kirby. But, I’m not privy to all their discovery either.