MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[FitzE]

But how would they square that with LK’s repeated threats/admissions of: we have solid gold, we have the recordings, they will all come out, we will release them, patience, patience?

She has declared she/her team have possession of the recordings and Seeker has declared she transcribed them. How can they now suddenly claim they don’t have possession?

Also, that wouldn’t help shine up the fact that they were non-cooperative and needed threats of contempt to get them off their legally challenged backsides and even give the lame ass response they just gave.

[Warmblood1]

@Knights_Mom

@Warmblood1

@Sdel

@Angela_Freda

@Warmblood1

Do you think they are being noncompliant so that discovery is more difficult?

Why would one do this if they are the ones who have been injured/wronged??

If Seeker’s transcripts are true to the recordings, and say what they say they said, I can’t imagine why they would hesitate to turn them over.

IMO, if the recordings proved that MB had criminal intent and indeed plotted a murder via these recordings, I think they would have been admitted into the criminal trial…

If they were damning to MB and the civil trial, I think they would have been delivered on a silver platter…

However, seems more likely that everything said about the recordings by LK have just been another pathological lie.

Is it possible that admitting illegally obtained recordings into evidence serves as proof positive of having MADE illegal recordings and so are self incriminating?

Yea, there are a lot of issues with the recordings. I would imagine that even if legal, it would be difficult proving the recordings weren’t tampered with in some way. I assume there was also an issue with relevance.

It’s confusing because if the recordings were illegal, I’d assume they couldn’t be admitted into the civil trial, but from what I understand, are still being subpoenaed. I guess they are subpoenaing legal records? Idk.

[Sdel]

@FitzE

But how would they square that with LK’s repeated threats/admissions of: we have solid gold, we have the recordings, they will all come out, we will release them, patience, patience?

She had no problem saying under oath that she lies on SM. More of that?

[LexInVA]

It’s entirely possible the strategy is to delay, delay, delay, delay, delay, and delay until the opposition gives in and forces a settlement or walks away. When HIV-positive Eventer Darren Chiacchia was faced with the criminal charge of failing to disclose his HIV-positive status to his intimate partner, his one and only move was to orchestrate delay after delay after delay on his own behalf, for several years, until the case was dropped. They had his own personal, self-admitted and corroborated admission of guilt, as evidence against him, so he had no real legal defense to use in his favor and played the long game, by switching attorneys multiple times and declaring bankruptcy. Eventually, the case changed hands and was dropped.

[FitzE]

True. Though humiliating for her after all her screeching on here that she never lies, it is a convenient catch-all excuse. Super duper lame, but convenient, I guess.

[Sdel]

So, quick question….the deposition is for SGF. Does Michael get to do his own?

[ekat]

@Warmblood1

It’s confusing because if the recordings were illegal, I’d assume they couldn’t be admitted into the civil trial, but from what I understand, are still being subpoenaed. I guess they are subpoenaing legal records? Idk.

Whatever recordings that were retrieved by the State of NJ in the criminal trial have been disclosed to all the parties. And again, those were specifically prior to Aug 7th.

What they are requesting now are KK’s Transcripts. These are at issue because LK used those transcripts in her complaint to SafeSport, which was part of that whole chain of events designed to drive MB literally insane. And my gut tells me they are trying to see how much KK’s transcripts, that they used against MB before the shooting, match reality.

They are also asking for any recordings/videos etc that weren’t already disclosed, and taking the date out past Aug 7th, 2019.

[Warmblood1]

@LexInVA

@Angela_Freda

@yaya

Because the longer they drag it out, the more likely it is to get a settlement to just make it all go away.

I get that, but last time we heard from LaLa she was wanting it all to be in the open, all exposed for all to see because it was the path to proving her victimhood.

A settlement at this point doesn’t do that.
And a settlement now or feet dragging now, then, begs the question, “what changed?”
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If there were a settlement, the details of it would most likely be kept closed and off-the-public record. Because of that, Lauren would likely just continue to make public statements that everything was favorable to her and they caved from the righteous onslaught of Kanarek might, regardless of whatever is actually in the records, like a heavy financial judgement against the Kanarek family or the seizure and liquidation of assets belonging to Lauren’s parents, to pay such a judgement.

I’m really curious how the assets will work out if MB wins the civil trial.

But in regards to LK’s version of the story, her public image is so bad and her actions so ill perceived that no one is going to take her opinion for much. The real bombshell will be when MB opens his mouth and if he’s willing to disclose detail, his side of the story. There is SO much we haven’t heard.

[Sdel]

So, theory being you don’t ask about something you don’t already know the answer to….

Is it possible that the Lundbergs have communications from the parties that call things into question? Remember, LK stayed there for some time after the shooting, LK’s claims that they begged her to stay afterwards, and they filed formal evictions in Dec ‘19. I assume most of that involved JK.

[eggbutt]

How does the USEF/SS investigation fit into all this, or does it? I wonder if Michael’s team is working on dismissal of the charge against him at this point? I can’t imagine he or MH dropping their request for investigation into LK’s actions.

This is why it is important to me that people don’t forget all that LK & her comrades did to so many over the years and at Hawthorne Hill.

[Knights_Mom]

@cutter99

@smoofox

@Scribbler

@cutter99

@Unfforgettable

@cutter99

I would bet all day long that Seeker has never been KK. My money is on LK for this!

I don’t think so…LolliPoop would never have been able to resist reverting to her usual style when pushed. Seeker just seemed too [edit], with none of the devious or outlandish behavior.

Some of the Seeker posts in the later part of spring/ this summer are pretty darn unhinged. They make for very interesting, if not delusional, reading.

A big part of why I doubt Seeker was the real KK.

If Seeker was LK and not KK as she stated (therefore not our speculation), there would have been more insults, more YELLING and LOLing and paranoia…

Actually, I don’t believe there would be.

How many times has LK said she is playing 3D chess when the rest of us are just playing checkers?

She believes she is smarter than The Elderly Illegal Mob, and what better way to get one by the Mob than an alter claiming to be KK? What better way to elicit sympathy for poor Lauren the Victim than to come here as KK?

There have been little cracks in posts along the way, as I believe LK can only keep up the different personality for so long before she has to get ugly with someone as she cannot stop herself.

Remember she claimed multiple personalities in Facebook post at one point? How better for her to play that out on here with multiple alters?

Just think about it!

I totally agree with you.

[eggbutt]

@Warmblood1

The real bombshell will be when MB opens his mouth and if he’s willing to disclose detail, his side of the story. There is SO much we haven’t heard.

I honestly can’t imagine Michael remembers anything significant of 8/7 and perhaps it is wise he no longer dwell on all that was done prior to that day, at least for now.

[Warmblood1]

@ekat

@Warmblood1

It’s confusing because if the recordings were illegal, I’d assume they couldn’t be admitted into the civil trial, but from what I understand, are still being subpoenaed. I guess they are subpoenaing legal records? Idk.

Whatever recordings that were retrieved by the State of NJ in the criminal trial have been disclosed to all the parties. And again, those were specifically prior to Aug 7th.

What they are requesting now are KK’s Transcripts. These are at issue because LK used those transcripts in her complaint to SafeSport, which was part of that whole chain of events designed to drive MB literally insane. And my gut tells me they are trying to see how much KK’s transcripts, that they used against MB before the shooting, match reality.

They are also asking for any recordings/videos etc that weren’t already disclosed, and taking the date out past Aug 7th, 2019.

Thank you, I appreciate the clarification. That makes much more sense IRT how it connects to SS. I was trying to figure out why they’d need a transcript from KK if the parties have access to the recordings.

So, the recordings submitted to the state that all parties have a copy of… does that imply the recordings were legal? Or would all parties have a copy despite their legality?

[Warmblood1]

@eggbutt

@Warmblood1

The real bombshell will be when MB opens his mouth and if he’s willing to disclose detail, his side of the story. There is SO much we haven’t heard.

I honestly can’t imagine Michael remembers anything significant of 8/7 and perhaps it is wise he no longer dwell on all that was done prior to that day, at least for now.

I think MB will navigate safe waters as he and parties connected to him have, and will take the advice of council.

But I’m more so talking about events leading up to the shooting versus the shooting it self. I imagine he is eager to move on but I do believe more details will eventually be revealed.

[eggbutt]

@Warmblood1

So, the recordings submitted to the state that all parties have a copy of… does that imply the recordings were legal? Or would all parties have a copy despite their legality?

It may be there are questions whether they actually have all the illegal recordings, videos, whatever.

[ekat]

@Warmblood1

So, the recordings submitted to the state that all parties have a copy of… does that imply the recordings were legal? Or would all parties have a copy despite their legality?

As far as I know, it just means they have them. They were obviously excluded from the criminal trial, but we don’t know why they were excluded at this point.

Oh, and you’re welcome.

[MorganSercu]

@FitzE

Though humiliating for her after all her screeching on here that she never lies

You can only be humiliated if you have the emotional capacity for it.

…guilt, shame and remorse are absent yet entitlement, egocentricity and greed reign

[ekat]

@eggbutt

How does the USEF/SS investigation fit into all this, or does it? I wonder if Michael’s team is working on dismissal of the charge against him at this point? I can’t imagine he or MH dropping their request for investigation into LK’s actions.

I say this as someone who has zero knowledge of how USEF/SS works, but I wonder if it’s possible they are waiting to see if he is released to move forward?

[ekat]

@Sdel

Is it possible that the Lundbergs have communications from the parties that call things into question? Remember, LK stayed there for some time after the shooting, LK’s claims that they begged her to stay afterwards, and they filed formal evictions in Dec ‘19. I assume most of that involved JK.

I am guessing they have something there. I mean, part of JK’s subpoena was related to written communications between him and the Lundbergs, and him and Mr Tarshis, both before and after the shooting. That seems like they have an inkling what they are looking for.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Warmblood1

I honestly don’t know if the conversation about recordings on FB between LK and Shelley would be enough to subpoena Shelley. As in, I don’t know if they were specific enough about what recordings. Just a general conversation about recordings. I have no idea.

My guess is that discovery would sort that out. They don’t need a tangible reason for getting a deposition, just a suspicion, or just mere interest in what someone might have to say about something. IANAL, but that’s my take.