MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[ekat]

@Warmblood1

IMO, if the recordings proved that MB had criminal intent and indeed plotted a murder via these recordings, I think they would have been admitted into the criminal trial…

If they were damning to MB and the civil trial, I think they would have been delivered on a silver platter…

However, seems more likely that everything said about the recordings by LK have just been another pathological lie.

I wonder if the actual legality of the recordings has ever been resolved, in addition to what you noted.

[Angela_Freda]

Exactly my first thought.
I hope Shelly Belly has her seatbelt buckled uple.

[Warmblood1]

I honestly don’t know if the conversation about recordings on FB between LK and Shelley would be enough to subpoena Shelley. As in, I don’t know if they were specific enough about what recordings. Just a general conversation about recordings. I have no idea.

[eggbutt]

I believe there are illegal recordings that indicate normal, frustrated conversations any normal person would believe to be exactly what they are - frustrated people making off the cuff remarks combined with everyday conversations that have been cherry picked to fit a specific narrative.

[Sdel]

@ekat

@Warmblood1

IMO, if the recordings proved that MB had criminal intent and indeed plotted a murder via these recordings, I think they would have been admitted into the criminal trial…

If they were damning to MB and the civil trial, I think they would have been delivered on a silver platter…

However, seems more likely that everything said about the recordings by LK have just been another pathological lie.

I wonder if the actual legality of the recordings has ever been resolved, in addition to what you noted.

If not, well, it would be rather unfortunate for Seeker to have her daughter out there broadcasting to the public about her involvement in a potential crime.

[eggbutt]

Me neither.

[yaya]

@Angela_Freda

@Warmblood1

Do you think they are being noncompliant so that discovery is more difficult?

Why would one do this if they are the ones who have been injured/wronged??

Because the longer they drag it out, the more likely it is to get a settlement to just make it all go away.

Just so you are prepared, there is a Florida case regarding a “simple” horse sale that has been going on since 2018, and is nowhere close to going to trial yet.

[ekat]

@Warmblood1

I honestly don’t know if the conversation about recordings on FB between LK and Shelley would be enough to subpoena Shelley. As in, I don’t know if they were specific enough about what recordings. Just a general conversation about recordings. I have no idea.

I guess that would depend on a) whether or not LK has listed her as a potential witness and b) what other conversations they may have had. For example - LK’s phone records as of Aug 7th were already retrieved and disclosed. Possibly there are more conversations that lead somewhere showing more of what SGF characterized as part of a “ series of actions that literally drove Barisone insane”.

[LexInVA]

Remember what Lauren and Seeker1 said over and over and over about her family’s - mostly Lauren’s - criminal charges over the years?

That’s a good indicator of what the Kanarek strategy could be here.

[Angela_Freda]

@yaya

Because the longer they drag it out, the more likely it is to get a settlement to just make it all go away.

I get that, but last time we heard from LaLa she was wanting it all to be in the open, all exposed for all to see because it was the path to proving her victimhood.

A settlement at this point doesn’t do that.
And a settlement now or feet dragging now, then, begs the question, “what changed?”
.

[Knights_Mom]

@Warmblood1

@Sdel

@Angela_Freda

@Warmblood1

Do you think they are being noncompliant so that discovery is more difficult?

Why would one do this if they are the ones who have been injured/wronged??

If Seeker’s transcripts are true to the recordings, and say what they say they said, I can’t imagine why they would hesitate to turn them over.

IMO, if the recordings proved that MB had criminal intent and indeed plotted a murder via these recordings, I think they would have been admitted into the criminal trial…

If they were damning to MB and the civil trial, I think they would have been delivered on a silver platter…

However, seems more likely that everything said about the recordings by LK have just been another pathological lie.

Is it possible that admitting illegally obtained recordings into evidence serves as proof positive of having MADE illegal recordings and so are self incriminating?

[Horse_Daft]

Thanks!

[cutter99]

@smoofox

@Scribbler

@cutter99

@Unfforgettable

@cutter99

I would bet all day long that Seeker has never been KK. My money is on LK for this!

I don’t think so…LolliPoop would never have been able to resist reverting to her usual style when pushed. Seeker just seemed too [edit], with none of the devious or outlandish behavior.

Some of the Seeker posts in the later part of spring/ this summer are pretty darn unhinged. They make for very interesting, if not delusional, reading.

A big part of why I doubt Seeker was the real KK.

If Seeker was LK and not KK as she stated (therefore not our speculation), there would have been more insults, more YELLING and LOLing and paranoia…

Actually, I don’t believe there would be.

How many times has LK said she is playing 3D chess when the rest of us are just playing checkers?

She believes she is smarter than The Elderly Illegal Mob, and what better way to get one by the Mob than an alter claiming to be KK? What better way to elicit sympathy for poor Lauren the Victim than to come here as KK?

There have been little cracks in posts along the way, as I believe LK can only keep up the different personality for so long before she has to get ugly with someone as she cannot stop herself.

Remember she claimed multiple personalities in Facebook post at one point? How better for her to play that out on here with multiple alters?

Just think about it!

[LexInVA]

@Angela_Freda

@yaya

Because the longer they drag it out, the more likely it is to get a settlement to just make it all go away.

I get that, but last time we heard from LaLa she was wanting it all to be in the open, all exposed for all to see because it was the path to proving her victimhood.

A settlement at this point doesn’t do that.
And a settlement now or feet dragging now, then, begs the question, “what changed?”
.

If there were a settlement, the details of it would most likely be kept closed and off-the-public record. Because of that, Lauren would likely just continue to make public statements that everything was favorable to her and they caved from the righteous onslaught of Kanarek might, regardless of whatever is actually in the records, like a heavy financial judgement against the Kanarek family or the seizure and liquidation of assets belonging to Lauren’s parents, to pay such a judgement.

[Sdel]

@Knights_Mom

Is it possible that admitting illegally obtained recordings into evidence serves as proof positive of having MADE illegal recordings and so are self incriminating?

So, they asked for more time. That probably means a response is coming……giving some excuse or reasoning.

As far as using self incriminating as an excuse, wouldn’t that require them or someone on that side to admit to they were illegally obtained. That would be tricky, considering the nature of this suit. Best play would be to deny their existence like was done with the recording and SM postings. Can’t be produced because they are no longer in “possession”…

[ekat]

@Angela_Freda

I get that, but last time we heard from LaLa she was wanting it all to be in the open, all exposed for all to see because it was the path to proving her victimhood.

A settlement at this point doesn’t do that.
And a settlement now or feet dragging now, then, begs the question, “what changed?

I think that people in her camp are starting to see the uphill climb this suit is, personally. And they are stuck in a position where they can’t withdraw without agreement of the other parties and the court.

I think there is exactly a snowball’s chance in hell MB is going to offer up any settlement. SGF Is being fairly aggressive in pursuit of their defense and they are giving zero indication they are willing to settle. RC has nothing to lose by riding the coattails of those two legal teams.

So - what does that leave them with? Stall and hope to god it gets dismissed?

[KurPlexed]

If LK gets her way and doesn’t need to appear for depos, would someone be in the room to ensure coaching wasn’t happening or to make sure a system failure doesn’t happen during the difficult questions?

[ekat]

@KurPlexed

If LK gets her way and doesn’t need to appear for depos, would someone be in the room to ensure coaching wasn’t happening

That was my first thought. Ordinarily that wouldn’t be a concern. But this is not ordinary.

[KurPlexed]

Right and she’s so, yuck, I can totally see that happening. There needs to be something in place to prevent this or similar.

[Sdel]

@KurPlexed

Right and she’s so, yuck, I can totally see that happening. There needs to be something in place to prevent this or similar.

I wonder is the fact that the Law and Crime Live Chat was shut down because she/family was believed to be posting there, her responding to tweets about the trial, and other claims that she was discussing the trial on FB could be entered as evidence of “concerns”.