MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[iridedressage]

@Angela_Freda

Another thought, sparked by iriedressage’s comment.
MB and his team have a big fight ahead of them wrt the civil trial.
I’m sure that his release would gave been preferred, but each thing they do to him, every online comment, every letter to boards or committees, every additional penalty to a man who was acquitted… is more evidence of his mistreatment.

And if he’s at Greystone, where he’s protected from them, maybe he’s able to laser focus on getting strong and helping build a solid case against them and the rest who are abusing his rights.
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I was thinking the same thing, but I couldn’t express it eloquently. Thank you!

[eggbutt]

@FitzE

It is so sad, not just the outrageous personal comments from the bench (talk about ‘who does that?’), there are such clear and egregious violations of the clearly articulated Krol standards. You don’t need to be a lawyer to read and understand Krol. And you don’t need to be a lawyer to be able to see that MB’s rights with respect to those standards have been not just violated but denied completely.

I’m genuinely shocked that a NJ court would allow this to go on and go on so publicly. If the press, or the attorneys, or 48 Hours breaks this story - especially if there is evidence of undue influence by the Kanareks in any way - I hope there are massive repercussions for Taylor.

As I said above, Taylor’s behaviour here (esp the personal comments disparaging the acquittee) is one major reason why people form an impression of the justice system that it is biased and they won’t get a fair chance in front of a judge like Taylor if Taylor decides not to like them.

As a legal professional, I am disgusted.

This! A hundred times THIS!

[eggbutt]

@Maria

Question for our beloved and appreciated legal eagles, first, is the general public allowed to file complaints against Taylor? Sorry I didn’t have time to go down my own rabbit hole last night. if the general public were to file complaints about Taylor, would they be taken seriously? And do you think an actual investigation would be performed? I am wondering if the general public has a leg to stand on to file complaints. I mean we certainly could flood the review board with letters if nothing else. I would rather make a true impact rather than spitting into the wind.

Sorry, more than one question

Yes, regarding complaints.
Here is the form to use if so inclined:

https://www.njcourts.gov/attorneys/acjc/acjccomplaint.html?lang=eng

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

I really hope that the 48 hours episode will drive more awareness to the case… and MAYBE that will drive more people to the GFM, and result in help with the expenses.

[Angela_Freda]

What I’m flabbergasted about, beyond the treatment of MB, is the freedom Taylor and Shellehorn (1) seem to feel at speaking about an acquitted person like that.

If you were acquitted, ie not guilty, but incarcerated all that time, in those conditions, how well groomed would you look?

I’m seeing it through the eyes of someone who has rehabb’d animals, and seen the miraculous transformation that simple things like good food, care, and most importantly safety can have on restoration. Safety to sleep soundly to restore ones mental and physical self.

Frankly, I pity them, that their experience inside this system has denied them an ounce of compassion, empathy or basic understanding of the harm that they’ve been complicit in.

1- apparently they both made derogatory comments

[MorganSercu]

Well, Taylor is a former prosecutor so I expect no better from Taylor after seeing Schellhorn’s behaviour.

[ekat]

@TBLover

It would be much better if any complaint could rely on a verified accounting of what was actually said

@Angela_Freda

I believe the Prosecutor also made disparaging comments.
That’s why I think seeing the transcript is important.

I’m just going to circle back to this really quick.

Transcripts would be awesome. Also, transcripts are expensive, and aren’t routinely done and available. Maybe one of the reporters will request them.

Eventually, the video may be out there. Maybe 48 Hrs will include that part.

And anyone that wants confirmation by video/transcripts is well within their rights. I wasn’t trying to downplay that at all.

I also think that if someone feels compelled to speak out about what they’ve seen so far through pre-trial hearings, the trial itself, and now the accounts of this hearing by using NJ’s means, that’s cool too.

[DownYonder]

As disgusted as I am with the conduct of the K-Klan and Judge Taylor, I keep trying to look on the bright side of MB being at Greystone.

1. He is protected from the risk of a physical encounter with LK and her pack of coyotes - who are very obviously still out to get him.
2. The public is also protected from the risk of an encounter that may turn volatile.
3. He is being supported (fed and housed) by the taxpayers of NJ - as opposed to having to depend on someone else, or pay for it himself. (Had he been released with a mandate to stay in NJ while undergoing therapy, where would he have stayed? Doesn’t LO live in FL?)
4. He will get the counseling and therapy he needs to continue healing.
5. His therapy will be paid for by the taxpayers of NJ.
6. His legal team can continue working on the civil cases without worrying about the possibility of another MB/LK clash (God knows, Deininger and Bilinkas are under enough strain as it is.)
7. His chances of being reinstated by USEF may increase with proof that he has completed all treatment at Greystone and successfully navigated the levels at Greystone for release.
8. Who knows what may happen in the next 6 months? The two sides may come to a settlement of some sort, the suits may get dropped, Judge Taylor might retire, a drug overdose may occur [edit]

Although I am profoundly sad that MB isn’t yet free, I am immensely relieved that he will be finally getting therapy to help him keep moving toward reclaiming his life.

[lazaret]

@DownYonder

gives every appearance that he was under duress of some sort to rule the way he did. Perhaps he owned JK a favor and was/is terrified of crossing him. (So, covering his ass as stated earlier.)

I’m unwilling to think that this is the case, but rather I think there is significant pressure on the justice system right now as it relates to recidivism and I would expect a judge, in the case where there was gun violence, to err on the side of public safety unless there was an unanimous opinion on release.

If you look at the statistics on involuntary commitments, they’re not encouraging. Many people end up doing more “time” than they would have had they been found guilty, because there’s just so much leeway in the release criteria (which is how Krol came to be).

It takes massive resources on the part of the defendant to continually challenge their situation and defend their rights. Most defendants don’t have those resources meaning the right defendant has to end up in the situation to create law on it.

Maybe Michael is that defendant. Maybe it is ripe for a plucky young lawyer who wants to flex their wings and take it on, but this isn’t a John Grisham novel. I do think there is some law to be made if someone can see this through to the end.

[eggbutt]

Very well stated! I your analogy to coyotes! My visual is hyenas taunting, nipping, harassing, snarling, fighting each other and finally going in for the kill as a pack.

[DownYonder]

@eggbutt

My visual is hyenas taunting, nipping, harassing, snarling, fighting each other and finally going in for the kill as a pack.

Hyenas is an even better description!

[eggbutt]

Wouldn’t that be cool? The Barisone Law (precedent?)!

[lazaret]

[eggbutt]

Hair-Raising Hyena Moments | BBC Earth

[iridedressage]

I agree and think he will come out of this stronger than ever.
What I can’t figure out though is why did Taylor decide not to have the 3 month review? What if in 3 or fewer months, the doctors say he’s in good shape, he is equipped and can handle life and he’s ready to be released - does he stay there three more months and then go to court and hope Taylor releases him?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

I am gratified that so many more people are finally seeing the predator Lauren is and how obsessed she and her family are. They accept zero accountability for anything and gloat at others’ stress.

I don’t understand the “celebration/congratulation” recent post made by one of them excited that Michael is going to Greystone for perhaps six months. Who does that? Why the excitement? Are they excited Michael will receive help for the physical and mental damage three of them did to Michael Barisone? Have any of the four expressed any remorse for everything the predator daughter, Lauren has done, not only to Michael but to others? Just the fact they continue to laugh at Joey as recently as this week is astonishing!!

The truth about the Kanarek family will be told sooner than later, and quite publicly. Personally I can’t wait to watch Karma collect.

This is the recent post I reference above - (it was sent to me by several concerned people)

You can’t understand the “celebration/congratulation” post made by RG saying that he is excited that Michael is going to Greystone for “perhaps” six months?

Shall I explain it to you?

RG and LK believe that MB tried to “violently murder” them. Through the court process, their attacker was excused of all criminal responsibility, as he was found NG on two counts and NGRI on two counts. He was acquitted on all four counts, and the violent attack on them that nearly resulted in LKs death was officially deemed not a crime.

However, NGRI acquittals are only permitted to be released if they are deemed not a danger to the public or themselves, and at the Krol hearing that occurred last Wednesday, the judge ordered that MB be involuntarily committed to a psychiatric hospital for at least six months. The state does not consider this punishment.

I don’t find it surprising at all that LK and RG find some satisfaction in the result that their attacker is still In custody, despite the NGRI acquittal.

I also am unsurprised that Eggbutt is complaining that RG and LK have expressed “no remorse”.

[lazaret]

@iridedressage

does he stay there three more months and then go to court and hope Taylor releases him?

Essentially yes; that’s what I am trying to figure out, how exactly one would file such a challenge in a case that’s ostensibly settled. This is just the legal mechanics, like can the defendant request an emergency hearing on his status? I’m still digging to find out.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@lazaret

Well, my only comment is firstly, it is clear libel to post in writing statements that you know not to be true and are potentially damaging to the individual you are speaking about.

Secondly, I have hoped since the trial that MB’s attorneys are working on an appeal. I imagine they probably started framing one out before the verdict came in, in case they needed it. Since you’d never appeal an acquittal, they had to wait. Now they have 6 months to challenge every area where the precedent was disregarded. What I haven’t had time to research is how exactly one would make a Krol challenge since you aren’t appealing the verdict. Maybe this weekend I will have more time to dig.

How could they appeal a NGRI verdict when NGRI is what he pled?

I think the verdict is 100% water under the bridge.

[eggbutt]

Hyenas - before someone rips me a new one for my hyena analogy, let me provide some info. Hyenas are highly intelligent animals generally led by alpha females. They are intensely family oriented and work together to achieve their goal, which is to reproduce and survive. They are considered an Apex predator due to their ability to plan and work together to kill their prey. They are remarkable animals in the wild. I am reminded of the Kanareks when I think of a hyena.

[ekat]

@lazaret

Essentially yes; that’s what I am trying to figure out, how exactly one would file such a challenge in a case that’s ostensibly settled. This is just the legal mechanics, like can the defendant request an emergency hearing on his status? I’m still digging to find out.

It seems NJ allows for it here?

https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2013/title-2c/section-2c-4-9

https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2013/title-2c/section-2c-4-8