MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[trubandloki]

@ekat

@cutter99

think LK doth protest too much. And obviously she does, as she puts it, “GF” or she would not be continuously going back and replying to posts that are months old!

Ha! Yes, she clearly does GF. I also love how she just glosses over the two NOT GUILTY verdicts. Poor RG - always an afterthought.

So much of an afterthought that he did not even get on the contempt bandwagon. WTF. Poor guy.

[cutter99]

@trubandloki

@ekat

@cutter99

think LK doth protest too much. And obviously she does, as she puts it, “GF” or she would not be continuously going back and replying to posts that are months old!

Ha! Yes, she clearly does GF. I also love how she just glosses over the two NOT GUILTY verdicts. Poor RG - always an afterthought.

So much of an afterthought that he did not even get on the contempt bandwagon. WTF. Poor guy.

This made me spit my water everywhere! Thanks for the laugh @trubandloki!

[2tempe]

If she did the transcribing BEFORE the shooting, as was pointed out earlier, then the state wasnt even involved at that point. And once they were involved, perhaps it never came up - since that whole topic was not addressed in criminal trial, perhaps no one (ex familiy) knew they were transcribed by her until she came on here talking about it over and over…

[Jealoushe]

@Mersidoats

Even if it is locked, you can request to follow her…and she’ll probably allow it. Stalking would be sending harassing messages (hmmm) or finding a way to get into her social media after being denied as a follower or a friend. If she accepts your follow request…it’s not stalking.

What is cyberstalking?

Cyberstalking is a crime in which someone harasses or stalks a victim using electronic or digital means, such as social media, email, instant messaging (IM), or messages posted to a discussion group or forum. Cyberstalkers take advantage of the anonymity afforded by the internet to stalk or harass their victims, sometimes without being caught, punished or even detected.

https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/definition/cyberstalking#:~:text=Cyberstalking%20is%20a%20crime%20in,a%20discussion%20group%20or%20forum.

• monitor the victim’s online – and, in some cases, offline – activities;
• track the victim’s locations and follow them online or offline;
• annoy the victim;
• intimidate, frighten, control or blackmail the victim;
• reveal private information about the victim, a practice known as doxing ; or
• gather more information about the victim to steal their identity or perpetrate other real-world crimes, like theft or harassment.

Stop pretending what some posters are doing is ok or healthy. It’s not. Don’t gaslight either and say “well LK does that too!”

Think about that. Is that really how ya’ll wanna be? Don’t throw stones in glass houses and all that.

[trubandloki]

@cutter99

@trubandloki, try not to take it personally about no real permanent record. I bet you were not a problem child anyway! But yes, we kinda got screwed because we could have been much worse!

Right!
Silly us for believing them all that time about our permanent record.
Clearly no one in the Kanarek family believed that line when they tried to feed it to them.

[ekat]

@2tempe

If she did the transcribing BEFORE the shooting, as was pointed out earlier, then the state wasnt even involved at that point. And once they were involved, perhaps it never came up - since that whole topic was not addressed in criminal trial, perhaps no one (ex familiy) knew they were transcribed by her until she came on here talking about it over and over…

Yeah you’re right. It probably didn’t come up at all. I just would find it interesting to compare Kirby’s transcripts with any “official” transcripts.

[Mersidoats]

Is it stalking if she posts these things publically? So “following” someone or friending someone on social media is stalking?

[trubandloki]

@Mersidoats

Is it stalking if she posts these things publically? So “following” someone or friending someone on social media is stalking?

I guess I need to tell everyone I am friends with on social media that I have been stalking them all this time.

[cutter99]

@Jealoushe

@Mersidoats

Even if it is locked, you can request to follow her…and she’ll probably allow it. Stalking would be sending harassing messages (hmmm) or finding a way to get into her social media after being denied as a follower or a friend. If she accepts your follow request…it’s not stalking.

What is cyberstalking?

Cyberstalking is a crime in which someone harasses or stalks a victim using electronic or digital means, such as social media, email, instant messaging (IM), or messages posted to a discussion group or forum. Cyberstalkers take advantage of the anonymity afforded by the internet to stalk or harass their victims, sometimes without being caught, punished or even detected.

https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/definition/cyberstalking#:~:text=Cyberstalking%20is%20a%20crime%20in,a%20discussion%20group%20or%20forum.

• monitor the victim’s online – and, in some cases, offline – activities;
• track the victim’s locations and follow them online or offline;
• annoy the victim;
• intimidate, frighten, control or blackmail the victim;
• reveal private information about the victim, a practice known as doxing ; or
• gather more information about the victim to steal their identity or perpetrate other real-world crimes, like theft or harassment.

Stop pretending what some posters are doing is ok or healthy. It’s not. Don’t gaslight either and say “well LK does that too!”

Think about that. Is that really how ya’ll wanna be? Don’t throw stones in glass houses and all that.

As much as we appreciate your attempts to gaslight us here with your reminders about stalking, gaslighting, etc., we are adults and fully understand what both those behaviors are.

I am not sure why you feel the need to defend someone who has used both those behaviors here, to the point where many of us contacted attorneys.

I personally did not appreciate her attempt to out me as someone employed by COTH, which I am not, and/or someone who works for someone who advertises with COTH, which I am not.

The crime she stalked me for? I dared to make the suggestion very early on that she not post publicly about the case because, well, we see how that works out!

While your public service announcements are lovely, you are in fact preaching to more victims here.

[ekat]

@Mersidoats

Is it stalking if she posts these things publically? So “following” someone or friending someone on social media is stalking?

Someone should let Mr Deininger know that using her Insta posts in a public filing is stalking. Or is it stalking when we read and ponder the court filing? I am confused.

[eggbutt]

What’s another term for grasping at straws?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Mersidoats

Is it stalking if she posts these things publically? So “following” someone or friending someone on social media is stalking?

I personally avoid sharing anything on the forums from anyone who doesn’t have their accounts set to 100% public.

I don’t follow LK on Insta, nor on Twitter, and I am not FB friends with her. I certainly am curious about what she might be sharing… but, my mind is already made up about her case, and I think it would be kind of wrong g to follow her and take information gathered, and then discuss it on these forums in an effort to make the case that she’s in the wrong on this whole matter.

However. if she (or anyone else controversial) posts something that is 100% public for anyone to see? I think it’s completely fair game to add it to the discussion, and analyze or criticize it.

If people don’t want others to look at and criticize their postings on social media… they should keep their accounts private, and screen their friends and followers.

[trubandloki]

What is not stalking is mentioning that more than one defense lawyer in the case that Lauren Kanarek filed has filed asking the court to consider contempt charges against Lauren and her parents Jonathon and Kirby Kanarek for totally ignoring court subpoenas regarding that very same case that again, Lauren filed.

I never imagined a lawyer (Jonathon Kanarek) would ignore a subpoena completely or let his wife (Kirby Kanarek) or daughter (Lauren Kanarek) also ignore a subpoena.

I am impressed how easy the lawyers for the various defense parties are trying to make it for her (Lauren Kanarek) to do her deposition all at once, though clearly still in the same state where she filed this case.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

I am impressed how easy the lawyers for the various defense parties are trying to make it for her (Lauren Kanarek) to do her deposition all at once, though clearly still in the same state where she filed this case.

Speaking of…I keep going back to Lauren’s attorney filing a request for adjournment on the motions for Jonathan and Kirby Kanarek (presumably not his clients), but as of this morning has not filed anything in response to the motion to compel his client, the plaintiff. I’ll give him some slack on the motion Mr Deininger filed yesterday, but the SGF motion was filed at the same time as the Jonathan and Kirby ones.

Maybe he’s waiting for RC’s attorney to chime in? Or maybe…I don’t know.

[trubandloki]

@ekat

Speaking of…I keep going back to Lauren’s attorney filing a request for adjournment on the motions for Jonathan and Kirby Kanarek (presumably not his clients), but as of this morning has not filed anything in response to the motion to compel his client, the plaintiff.

One has to assume he has a plan, that involves waiting until the last minute to announce what that plan is.

[trubandloki]

@ekat

Speaking of…I keep going back to Lauren’s attorney filing a request for adjournment on the motions for Jonathan and Kirby Kanarek (presumably not his clients), but as of this morning has not filed anything in response to the motion to compel his client, the plaintiff.

Just a thought that came to me - Do you suppose this is related to the fact that RG has no filings about not responding?

[eggbutt]

I’m curious how much of Lauren’s medical history will be allowed? Will it include physical and mental health history? How far can they go back for history?

[Sdel]

@Fiesta01

@Sdel

So, your saying that LK’s pronouncement on YT of impending perjury charges might actually come true?

Where is this pronouncement? I must have missed it.

YT. I can put it up, or I can PM it.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

Just a thought that came to me - Do you suppose this is related to the fact that RG has no filings about not responding?

I am so, probably needlessly, intrigued by RG. Maybe they haven’t gotten to him yet, or maybe he’s already cooperated. It’s an interesting thing I keep wondering about.

[Sdel]

@eggbutt

I’m curious how much of Lauren’s medical history will be allowed? Will it include physical and mental health history? How far can they go back for history?

Probably a lot. Her mother says she testified to having mental health issues that impacted her ability to deal with Michael. That will need to be explored in order to decide if she has less responsibility in creating the events of the shooting.

Plus her claims for damages based on emotional injury…