MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[eggbutt]

I get it…when all else fails, just throw all blame and conflict on Eggbutt with nonsense posts.

[Jealoushe]

@Warmblood1

Why do you have an obsession with the contracts and board? People have stated numerous times there are many conditions to contracts.

I don’t. Kind of ironic gaslighting was mentioned cause here it is again

Just trying to get an accurate response. Try and get a real answer and all of a sudden you’re obsessed never mind the thousands of posts posted here from people obsessing over the parties involved…

Obviously I know that. A poster was claiming that 30 days notice clause can require you to pay the month AFTER you are evicted. Which, I asked if that was a thing or not. So far many run around other expenses and what not have been answered and confirmed but not the exact question I asked.

I will form my own conclusion based on the replies. No need to discuss further for me.

You said you believe others are trying to convince posters on the board that JK is not IM? Who?

[Jealoushe]

@eggbutt

Um, who exactly am I related to?

As in you know them. No blame being passed. No need to call me a liar with your little emoji. Would it kill you to post one day without the nasty side commentary.

[trubandloki]

Knowing =/= related to.

But darn, I am going to say it again, Rob/Jim sure does look like Jonathan Kanarek.

[eggbutt]

@Jealoushe

@eggbutt

Um, who exactly am I related to?

As in you know them. No blame being passed. No need to call me a liar. Would it kill you to post one day without the nasty side commentary.

Got it. In my world knowing is not related to.

I seriously doubt I am the only one currently posting on this forum who knows any of the major characters.

As far as who seem to have a problem considering IM is JK, it seem obvious to me perhaps CurrentlyHorseless and/or Hut_ho would be candidates. I honestly don’t care and I’m just stepping up to answer your question.

And perhaps if comments referencing me by name but not directed to me weren’t so condescending, I wouldn’t snark at least once a day.

And, just so you know, my little emoji chain was directed to the daily antagonists in general.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@smoofox

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Jealoushe

@smoofox

Well, I do/did. And that is part of the boarding contract

You’ve seen this also? Specifically, if someone is asked to leave/booted out they have to pay the following months board as part of the 30 days notice?

She claims it’s part of the boarding contract at the barn she manages. I don’t believe it.

I just noticed this… why would you not believe it? It is a normal item in a boarding contract around here - I am guessing that you have never managed a large boarding barn with multiple disciplines and interests represented with a wide range of horses and abilities. I am sure if you do a search on COTH there will be threads about this very thing - maybe you will believe them as for some reason you are calling me out as a liar… based on your expertise and lack of knowledge about how some boarding contracts and boarding barns work? Okay then…

One more time - and LOUDER - for the people in the back. Boarding is not always prorated. I cannot think of a single large barn with great facilities around here where prorating is done… maybe small ones?

The assertion at issue is not whether board is prorated if someone is booted out for cause within a given month.

The issue is whether someone booted out of a barn in, say, mid August, would be responsible for not only the board for all of August, but also for the board for an entire subsequent month (September).

@FitzE stated that she had written s boarding contract with such a clause - that if a boarder is kicked out by the barn for breach of contract in August, they owed not just the current months board, but also the subsequent months board as some sort of liquidated damages.

If you’re simply saying that your standard board contact says that board is not prorated if one leaves without 30 days notice, I agree that’s totally standard.

[jvanrens]

@Jealoushe

@Warmblood1

In my opinion, JK regrets his emotional participation in forums and is now trying to backpedal and have the others attempt to convince the forum JK isn’t IM. That’s precious.

Who are the others doing this? I’m pretty sure everyone participating here aside from EB has said they have no relation to the parties?? Surely you don’t mean EB as that wouldn’t make sense.

Eggbutt was outed a while back when someone when back through about 10 years of her posts and found one where she said who she was. I’m pretty sure she has written that she’s not involved other than knowing MHG & family from way back in the day from dressage shows in the area. So talking about not making sense…

[eggbutt]

Well, full disclosure I did meet Michael Barisone several times and was present when he was awarded the tiara, and of course it is no secret I have had personal experiences with Miss Kanarek.

[Jealoushe]

@eggbutt

And perhaps if comments referencing me by name but not directed to me weren’t so condescending, I wouldn’t snark at least once a day.

My comment was not snark at all to you though, at all. Sorry if it came across that way.

CH and HH have confirmed they don’t know them, I thought.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Warmblood1

In my opinion, JK regrets his emotional participation in forums and is now trying to backpedal and have the others attempt to convince the forum JK isn’t IM. That’s precious.

If by “others”, you mean me, I am not trying to “convince the forum that JK is not IM”,

I’m just pointing out that the claim that “IM is JK” has not been established.

[Jealoushe]

@jvanrens

Eggbutt was outed a while back when someone when back through about 10 years of her posts and found one where she said who she was. I’m pretty sure she has written that she’s not involved other than knowing MHG & family from way back in the day from dressage shows in the area. So talking about not making sense

huh? I was just sayin EB was the only person who has confirmed she knew the parties in some form. It’s not that deep.

[eggbutt]

@Jealoushe

@eggbutt

And perhaps if comments referencing me by name but not directed to me weren’t so condescending, I wouldn’t snark at least once a day.

My comment was not snark at all to you though, at all. Sorry if it came across that way.

CH and HH have confirmed they don’t know them, I thought.

Yes that is what they have said and they also continue to maintain they don’t believe IM is JK. That’s okay and certainly their prerogative, but the repetitive posts arguing about whether IM is JK seem to be provoking snark responses from several who are tired of it. No one cares what they think about IM. They certainly have confounded most posters with their embrace and defense of the Kanarek family, which makes some inclined to believe they are related or personally know them regardless of their denials. I came up with this opinion simply by unemotionally reading the responses to the two specific posters.

Peace.

[Omgitsme]

I also know one of the parties, LK. Not like we were besties but we rode together for a very short time. I was also involved in an insane group chat, received several bizarre messages (mostly telling me I’m fat as if I didn’t know), and doxxed. (She posted my home address on her then public FB page)

[Maria]

Can this end?

Answer: if a stable puts that language in their contract and the boarder signs the contract the boarder is obligated to pay. If it is not in the contract the boarder is not obligated to pay.

Every boarding, training and plain old barn has the right to develop and implement any kind of contract they want. If they want all horses in the barn to wear Fuchsia blankets with orange scorpions on them, they can put that in the contract.

Really, why is this even an issue?

Now, find me an emoji with orange scorpions.

[DownYonder]

Dang, when they were throwing shade on EB, I thought they meant Ed Bilinkas.

And I thought HUH? Mr. B is now participating in the forum?

I daresay he is way too smart and principled to participate (esp. under an assumed name) in an internet chat about a case he is directly involved in. Too bad a certain other person involved in it isn’t as smart or principled.

[DownYonder]

@Maria

Now, find me an emoji with orange scorpions.

Ask and you shall receive.

[Maria]

I love you!!! Thank you!

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Maria

Can this end?

Answer: if a stable puts that language in their contract and the boarder signs the contract the boarder is obligated to pay. If it is not in the contract the boarder is not obligated to pay.

Every boarding, training and plain old barn has the right to develop and implement any kind of contract they want. If they want all horses in the barn to wear Fuchsia blankets with orange scorpions on them, they can put that in the contract.

Really, why is this even an issue?

Now, find me an emoji with orange scorpions.

Of course a stable can put whatever language they want in the boarding agreement, and if it’s signed, that’s the contract.

The question is whether any one has seen a board contract of the type FitzE described: such that a boarder being kicked out for cause on Aug 5, tor example, was responsible for not just through board for all of Aug, but also for all of the following month, September as sort of liquidated damages.

I have never seen such a contract.

[Kitty64]

https://youtu.be/EKyHsQl6ZFE
Awhile up the thread a question came up on Fellini’s testimony. It took me forever to find so I thought I’d share it to save others the trouble. It starts a few minutes before the 30 min mark.

[Maria]

I looked I swear I did, and I should follow my own advise, but didn’t Warmblood 1 say she had seen a real live contract with this wording? It may have been particular to a training barn??

Jez oh flip.