Proof as in proof to an absolute certainty? No, that’s not available.
Evidence that he committed an act that would be a crime but for the finding of insanity to the standard of “beyond a reasonable doubt”? That’s the extent to which it had been “proven” he shot her.
But you knew that already.
So sorry to hear that things aren’t going well in your world. Hang in there! {{{Hugs}}}
Take care! I hope things improve for you.
So…no proof he got the gun out of the safe. No proof he brought the gun to the house. No proof he pulled the trigger. No proof he shot Lauren. That’s what I thought.
I’m not disputing what the jury decided, and I don’t see why you need to repeat it 6 or 7 times a day. Everyone knows what the jury’s ruling was. And based on the evidence they were permitted to hear, it wasn’t an unreasonable verdict. However in no way does their verdict constitute proof of what happened that day.
Everyone also knows there were several alternate theories that could not be presented in the criminal trial, but will certainly be addressed in the civil case. Everyone knows the police missed significant opportunities to secure the scene, treat everyone as a suspect, and collect important physical evidence - including videos - which could have provided actual proof of what happened.
Me! Me! May I have it, pretty please?
I like the bunny robe. I chose a Zsa Zsa Gabor style feathery robe because my cats would definately like that. They would have the feathery parts everywhere.
Very pretty! I wonder if it is hard to eat while wearing that beautiful frock?
I don’t know. I bet it would look great with my mud boots trying to go out to feed in the morning!
I think I confused Zsa Zsa with Eva Gabor. I liked her in Green Acres.
A million years ago, one of the kids at the barn had a dad who would go out on the tractor in his suit before work in the morning if he was short on time at their farm. Needless to say, everyone made many, many, many references to Green Acres. Lol.
My brother used to ask me if I had to climb a telephone pole to make a phone call. He is a city boy!
I almost need to do that to get better cell service at my house. Lol.
Does anybody know of a person who has been banned from the USEF since SS came along that did not go through SS?
I’m wondering if the USEF has backed down from other issues because they have SS to do that sort of thing for them.
What SS is doing is important, but not all things are abuse of minor issues.
I certainly know of people who have been suspended by USEF in the last few years for things that had nothing to do with safe sport issues. I don’t know of anyone who has been banned permanently, but that does not mean it has not happened.
My dad looked a lot like Eddie Albert. One day he was on my grandfather’s tractor so I stood at the edge of the field singing the theme to Green Acres. 
So they have a lot to cover in the hearing tomorrow. I wonder if they will get through it all and if any new issues will be discussed.
We had two trucks: One that was newer and kept clean and fancy to haul horses to keurings or shows, and another one that my dad used to pick up a load of hay or drive his succession of Labradors around town. He let that truck go to hell. The paint was worn through on the hood. Alfalfa sticks were wedged into the upholstery. Some of the dogs slobber-stained the windows. So my sister and I nicknamed it “The Mr. Haney Truck.”
That joke got around the local horse show circuit and I dreaded the occasional day when, for whatever reason, we had to use that ratty truck to haul our nice warmbloods to a show. Friends and acquaintances would call out, “Oh, you guys brought the Mr. Haney truck!”
If you require proof to an absolute certainty, no that level of proof is not available.
The self defense theory did not get off the ground because their was no evidence presented to support it. There is considerable evidence Michael Barisone took the gun out of the safe, loaded it and drove to the farmhouse with it, including the defense psychiatrist stating that Barisone told him he remembered taking the gun out of the safe.
Once that fact is established, even if RG momentarily got the upper hand in what Eggbutt calls “the scuffle”, self defense isn’t gonna fly.
No, the forensic treatment of the scene wasn’t up to CSI standards, or Scotland Yard’s, or yours. But it was good enough. It was enough that the jury as fact finders determined that he shot her.
In the civil case, the plaintiff only needs to establish that he shot her by a preponderance of the evidence, a lower standard than was required in the criminal trial. I don’t understand why you think that a different jury will fail to determine that he shot her, based on the lower standard of proof. The civil trial doesn’t require proof to an absolute standard either.
@DreadPirateRoberts Wah wo. I’ve never fought a pirate before. I’m thinking I’ll have to doff my hat to you and go sailing home. Very quickly. 
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