MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

You’ve really hit a new low with these topics at this point. I thought I couldn’t be more disgusted. I was wrong. SHAME ON YOU!!!

Sorry, Eggbutt, but I really don’t understand the logic of providing us with your “understanding” of some issue, in this case whether MB is on any medications, but then undercutting yourself by saying your “understanding” is based on “absolutely nothing”.

If your understanding is not based on anything, in what sense is it an “understanding” at all? Genuine question, please respond.

Do you mean by this convoluted sentence that you “speculate” that he is not on any medications? Fine. Speculate away. I speculate that he is on whatever medications the initial evaluations indicated would be useful.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

That is a very interesting thought. I’ve also wondered if he can refile against the Police Department, not for rights violations, but blatant incompetence?

Incompetence? Not hardly. Everyone lived.

??? What???

Incompetence doesn’t mean someone died! Holy smoke!!!

??? What???

In potentially fatal situations, incompetence frequently results in death. Holy Moly!!!

[trubandloki]

OK @CurrentlyHorseless, we can talk about something that is a fact. Jonathan Kanerak and Kirby Kanerak have contempt of court charges pending.

We can also discuss the fact that RG does not have anything filed against him.

[ekat]

@erinmeri and @trubandloki you guys are too kind. And yes, I am a she.

Personally, I find there are a lot of great minds in these threads. I’ve learned a lot from @lazaret and @FitzE, and @Knights_Mom for example. And I believe it’s @Warmblood1 and @LilRanger who have given us some great insights into institutions like Ann Klein, and processes involved.

Plus, there’s been cool Star Trek trivia. And @DownYonder and the flow charts!
There’s so much great discussion, often about things I’m learning about, and while it’s very personal to Michael Barisone, his family and others involved in the actual proceedings, it’s educational for those of us willing to learn from what happened.
And for everyone who I didn’t tag, who has contributed worthy discussion - I apologize, it’s unintentional.

Hopefully attempts to derail the thread and get it closed will fail so we can keep sharing.

[Sdel]

@3PonyFarm

https://nj.com/news/2022/08/hackers-infiltrated-patient-records-at-2-state-psychiatric-hospitals.html

I hope MB’s records weren’t affected.
Maybe he wasnt there yet-I don’t remember.

Maybe it was Miss K’s hacker boyfriend?

[3PonyFarm]

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

Remember, you all used to accuse me of having insider information. Remember? I sure do.

I won’t speak for others, but yes, I think you have in the past and likely now receive information from insider(s).

So what?

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

So what?

Are you trying to be obtuse or do you truly not understand the point being made? I ask because I admit I am not the brightest bulb in the bunch and I get it.

The point is, YOU speculate about stuff all the time so why are you acting like anyone else speculating is not allowed?

Do you not want to talk about the contempt thing with Kirby and Jonathan?

[Knights_Mom]

@trubandloki

Does no one have any great ideas why a lawyer would not just answer a subpoena instead of allowing himself (Jonathan Kanarek) and his wife (Kirby Kanarek) end up with contempt charges filed against them?

Something to hide?

[trubandloki]

@Knights_Mom

@trubandloki

Does no one have any great ideas why a lawyer would not just answer a subpoena instead of allowing himself (Jonathan Kanarek) and his wife (Kirby Kanarek) end up with contempt charges filed against them?

Something to hide?

If it was that simple wouldn’t Jonathan Kanerak filed a response that included why he should not have to produce the things being asked for?

[Knights_Mom]

@trubandloki

@Knights_Mom

@trubandloki

Does no one have any great ideas why a lawyer would not just answer a subpoena instead of allowing himself (Jonathan Kanarek) and his wife (Kirby Kanarek) end up with contempt charges filed against them?

Something to hide?

If it was that simple wouldn’t Jonathan Kanerak filed a response that included why he should not have to produce the things being asked for?

Not necessarily. When a person completely blows it off other time consuming actions must be taken. But if you submit your reasons the judge might rule and you’re stuck if it’s not in your favor. By not responding like 3 or 4 more steps - eaters of time and money- needs to be done.

[trubandloki]

@Knights_Mom

Not necessarily. When a person completely blows it off other time consuming actions must be taken. But if you submit your reasons the judge might rule and you’re stuck if it’s not in your favor. By not responding like 3 or 4 more steps - eaters of time and money- needs to be done.

Good points! So not answering at all gives Jonathan and Kirby Kanarek more open doors to not provide the evidence being asked for, even though it risks contempt charges.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

So what?

Are you trying to be obtuse or do you truly not understand the point being made? I ask because I admit I am not the brightest bulb in the bunch and I get it.

The point is, YOU speculate about stuff all the time so why are you acting like anyone else speculating is not allowed?

Do you not want to talk about the contempt thing with Kirby and Jonathan?

Eggbutt asked if I recalled that I, along with others, have in the past accused her of having inside information.

I said that I wouldn’t speak for others, but that yes, I did recall that.

I am not “acting like speculation is not allowed”.

I’ve said what I want to say about “the contempt thing”. If KK and JK are not worried about “the contempt thing”, I’m not going to be fretting on their behalf.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@jvanrens

@CurrentlyHorseless

You’re the one who keeps saying things like “the Kanareks thought it was a slam dunk that MB would be found guilty and sentenced to eighty years”.

LK kept on going on about how she had a bombshell that was going to put MB away for life!! We’re still waiting for that to land. By her statements, she did seem to think it was a slam dunk, or was trying to convince herself.

I don’t think of LK as speaking for the Kanarek family. Her posts do tend to be hyperbolic.

[hut-ho78]

@lazaret

An active shooter situation in which any of the three individuals could have been the shooter and yet only one was treated that way despite being on the ground and being actively attacked by someone else. This is not disputed fact everyone agrees on this point.

One was bleeding out. One was following police instructions and had been patted down and was then cuffed when he put the little dog in the door. One had been named as the shooter and was held down by the one following instructions when the police got there. Since MB was not shot and RG had been holding him down during the 911 call until told to stand down by the police then no, it’s not the facts as understood here.

The facts are the jury found beyond a reasonable doubt that he shot her twice while he was too delusional to be held criminally responsible and did not find beyond a reasonable doubt that he shot at RG.

The facts are that he was tue last person to be known to have the handgun that was used to shoot LK and that he told the DCPP employee and MHG to leave the office. Hearsay is that he told mental health experts he retrieved the weapon from the safe and took it with him.

If it wasn’t for RG, if he had reloaded, shot RG as well, he could well have been shot by LE.

No evidence was presented to the court that RG or LK attacked him first or had the weapon in their possession.

LE wasn’t picking on him. They couldn’t do anything prior to that because he never filed an eviction notice. The judge didn’t stop anyone from showing evidence it was self defense on MB’s part because no evidence existed.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’ve said what I want to say about “the contempt thing”. If KK and JK are not worried about “the contempt thing”, I’m not going to be fretting on their behalf.

Do we some how know that they are not worried about it?

It seems like having the lawyer that represents their daughter, Lauren Kanarek, file for an extension seems like they have some worries.

@CurrentlyHorseless

I don’t think of LK as speaking for the Kanarek family.

She is part of the Kanarek family so I do not get how she is not speaking as a Kanerak.

[StB.YM]

Question for the legal peeps. The subpoenas that were sent to JK and KK were directly addressed to them and were directly served to them. The request for LK’s deposition was sent to Bruce’s firm. The response to push back the contempt hearing came back from Bruce’s firm. Does this mean that when the subpoenas were first served and the contempt motion filed, that JK and KK didn’t have hired counsel and now they do via Bruce’s firm? Or can one party’s lawyers handle a witness’s court rulings on their behalf without contractual employment?

[MHM]

@trubandloki

@ekat

Sometimes I wonder if my iPad is accidentally translating my typing to a foreign language. Thank you guys for reassuring me it’s not.

If I understood it then anyone could understand it because this legal stuff confuses me.

I am very thankful for all the legal people here who so nicely take their time to write things so the simple minded can understand it.

I am also thankful that they do not scream when I post a long list of questions.

Edit to add - or maybe they do scream, but thankfully I can not hear them screaming.

Double ditto.

I’m behind on the thread again, since I did not have time to look at it all day, and now there are another 200 posts.

I know it is a gigantic challenge, but if everybody could really, really, really try to refrain from responding to the posters who are just trying to drag the whole thing down and gum up the works, that would be fabulous.

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

Remember, you all used to accuse me of having insider information. Remember? I sure do.

I won’t speak for others, but yes, I think you have in the past and likely now receive information from insider(s).

So what?

It was this comment about my “speculation” that prompted my reminder to you:

If you have “absolutely nothing” to base your “understanding” on, why bequeath your “absolutely baseless” “understanding” to us?

Another complete speculation based on common sense only - as mentioned, Michael is allowed in person visits from friends and supporters. Do you not think he might discuss his daily routine with any of them? It IS interesting that, to my knowledge, not a single one of those visitors expressed fear or concern being with Michael. Imagine that.

How about in the future you ignore my posts of speculation, fact, recipes, whatever. Just scroll on by and you’ll be much more relaxed, I promise.

[ekat]

@StB.YM

Question for the legal peeps. The subpoenas that were sent to JK and KK were directly addressed to them and were directly served to them. The request for LK’s deposition was sent to Bruce’s firm. The response to push back the contempt hearing came back from Bruce’s firm. Does this mean that when the subpoenas were first served and the contempt motion filed, that JK and KK didn’t have hired counsel and now they do via Bruce’s firm? Or can one party’s lawyers handle a witness’s court rulings on their behalf without contractual employment?

I have been wondering if the request to push back the ruling till 09/23 was to afford them an opportunity to hire counsel. I think that may have been a courtesy filing by Bruce, on Jonathan and Kirby’s behalf as he’s not stating he represents them in the matter.

Mr Silver (SGF’s attorney) specifically stated that no one claiming to be Jonathan’s attorney had contacted him regarding the subpoena, so maybe he’s finding an attorney for him and Kirby.