This is the kicker for me, and honestly, why I started the thread. They had plenty of time, upon receipt of personal service of subpoenas, to either a) hire attorneys or b) file motions to quash on their own. Doing nothing was the choice that boggles my brain.
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Tossing something aside that reminds them of a horrific event that brings pain seems like a normal response even if they knew better.
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It is all strange and suggests a certain amount of debate going on within Kamp K.
As we’ve seen in recent celebrity law suits, the plaintiff and the defendent can be equally on trial, and those around them.
People who say “I’m going to sue!” repeatedly may come to believe all you do is tell a sad story, wave your magic wand, and someone gives you pots of money. But actually running a lawsuit is ugly, frustrating invasive and nasty. Evrn trying to get an insurance settlement is nasty. And the tables can be turned in surprising ways.
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Seeker1, I believe? That individual claims to be Kirby Kanarek on these boards.
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I agree that this is the most likely scenario, and when its personal, professionalism goes out the window
Edited for spelling
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If you are speaking of LK, she hasn’t stopped posting about the event and every single aspect of it since she was released from the hospital, so it seems to me she has very little trauma reliving anything. It almost seems as though she enjoys the notoriety and arguing on YT. Neither she nor RG seemed the slightest bit bothered by anyone when they testified.
As far as Mr & Mrs, avoiding subpoenas as an avoidance is ridiculous for intelligent adults. Plus, at least one of them supposedly read all these threads and posted here…no avoidance there.
Maybe I’m missing your point. It is late here.
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Truth be told it seems she HAS to keep talking talking talking about it in an attempt to sway the world to her version by sheer force of will and repetition.
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Well, in all honesty it’s the one event in her life to garner the attention she totally craves. Why else does she watch the YT videos apparently repeatedly and post on them 3 months after the fact? She’s thoroughly enjoying the attention. Had Michael been found guilty and sentenced to many years in prison, she would have the official title of Victim and wear it with pride. As it is, nothing seems to be going as planned for her at this point. Everyone else involved has totally moved on with their lives, including Michael as best he can while awaiting the initial hearing. Everyone wants to move on.
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Because she is traumatized by being shot twice and flatlining twice. PTSD.
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Wow. Okay. How long will that be your defense for her behavior (a person you admit to not knowing at all)?
Tiny FYI, my husband was shot three times, thankfully he didn’t need resuscitation, sought counseling and was back at work within 6 weeks, putting himself in the same situations. Yes, he dealt with severe PTSD but moved through it with help. Of course everyone deals with trauma differently, but that becomes a choice. In otherwords, trauma and bad events don’t have to define a person unless they insist upon it.
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I was diagnosed with PTSD too. PTSD has nothing to do with making a person vindictive and mean.
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This. I’m also tired of the dramatics.
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I have complex PTSD but I sure as hell don’t make a career out of being a victim nor expect a terrible childhood to be my excuse for being a bad human being.
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I am so tired of these [edit] of Lauren’s on this board. Whether you know her or not, you’re feeding her her narcissistic supply with your obfuscation and purposeful, obtuse, [edit] inability to follow along with the facts. Its like a cult who joiners who have all the excuses in the world why she shouldn’t take responsibility for her behaviour, and who have no problem ignoring what she does and says, and rewriting what she did, all because she suffered trauma.
I’ve had all kinds of emotional and physical trauma, PTSD during parts of my youth and young adulthood, brought about by Lauren Kanarek types I"ve worked with, and by a couple of men, a very abusive husband, neglectful parents, and a r**pe. I’ve gotten therapy about it all at various times. I’ve worked through it, and I don’t carry it with me. I can talk about it, and about the horror of these things, but here’s the key: I don’t perseverate about it. I don’t cater to my emotions about it, I don’t hold onto it into my daily life, I don’t wear it like a designer bag. You sycophants of Lauren’s wear HER trauma like a designer bag! You claim you don’t know her, but you parrot her and her family’s behaviour and re-writing of the facts, sometimes even before they act it out themselves, swirling your capes so everyone sees your banners of her trauma!
Yes, some of my trauma was with me and affected my functioning for many years until I could move it out of my present life, but even when it did affect me, I didn’t put it out front, make it a raison d’etre. I struggled with the PTSD in various ways until I sorted it all out, but not while making the people around me constantly aware of it, and never ever used it as an excuse to abuse other people, or look for vindication or law suits. I havn’t ignored my traumas; I can see red flags in abusive men a mile way, and I can see narcissistic rage in work managers looking for their supply quick enough to find another job and get out of their sphere, but I don’t wear my trauma like a badge and make those around me feel they have to excuse my behaviour because of it. I own my own behaviour and what I make of life.
Its sad and pathetic to watch someone like Lauren take no responsibility for herself in any shape or manner, and even more inexcusable for those strangers on this board to obfuscate for her, and be purposefully obtuse and slow to comprehend the conversation on this board as Lauren’s co-dependent sycophants.
There’s no excuse for using one’s trauma to create drama and bring attention and pity to yourself, and there’s no excuse for abusing other people because of what happened to you. And there’s not one single excuse for you to use Lauren’s trauma as a banner to spread her hate and excuse her and her family’s toxic abuse in the name of her flatlining. Lauren abused people long before anything happened to her. Rewriting her story in your heads to make her out to be a victim is what cult leaders get you to do for them. You sound like zealots who drank the Lauren koolaide, and people are laughing, here, that you just don’t get it.
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Same.
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What a wonderful post. Thank you for sharing your past and speaking out. What doesn’t kill us makes us stronger, right?
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AND, in her (Lauren Kanarek) response during interrogatories her response was (not exact wording) - ask my father.
The person who filed this case told the defense to get their information from her father.
So explain to me again how asking her father is the defense stalking him again?
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You bet. And makes us better people. Not using it as an excuse to display victimhood.
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Great point!!!
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Yes, I suppose they could use a system similar to that used for proctored remote exams, and I wonder if that is what Nagel is pushing for. Although I am not sure anyone in his or her right mind believes for a nanosecond that LK and her minions won’t figure out a way to game even that kind of set up.
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