MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

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@DownYonder

@hut-ho78

He should have evicted her. She should have left. He should not have shot her.

He should have evicted her. She should have left. She should not have harassed him, stalked him, tormented him, recorded his private conversations, snooped in his office, filed false accusations against him with SafeSport, reported him to town authorities for code violations resulting from work her manservant had done, hinted that she intended to destroy him, and so on and so on - including the very real possibility that she and/or her manservant instigated the scuffle that led to the discharge of the firearm. She should not have gotten shot. He should not have been beaten so severely he suffered head trauma and amnesia.

There, I fixed it for you.

He should not have bullied her, reported her to USEF, SafeSport, said he was going to fix it so she could never compete, make her life so miserable she would beg to leave, then shot her.

To for tat. Both so wrong. He was last in possession of the firearm used to shoot LK and hearsay from mental health experts say he retrieved it and took it with him.

[Maria]

Wow,just wow. I have a question for you couple who are not lawyers, why you keep goin on and on arguing, debating, disbelieving actual lawyers who are explaining over and over and over and over the, ummmmmmmm law?

And while I’ma throwin out questions, why you rehashin things over and over and over and over from the criminal trial?

By the way, I did go to the barn and had a very nice ride on my pony today.

Cheerio oh.

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@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

It seems completely relevant that he had first asked her to leave that day, Aug 5, as opposed to months or weeks earlier. He referred to them as “squatters” in one of the 911 calls. If he had served a notice to vacate months prior to Aug 5, they would be there in violation of the eviction process. Since he hadn’t served a notice to vacate prior to Aug 5, they were still legal tenants while he was calling 911 and referring to them as squatters. Delusional.

No lease. No contract. Previous verbal mandates to leave.

You keep insisting things that aren’t true. Eviction warning does not have to be just in writing.

But again who stays where they are unwanted? From APRIL. Just take horses and GO with all the multiple offers I saw given her on FB.

As you well know, one can be a legal tenant without a written lease.

In NJ without a lease certain protections are removed.

There is a provision for a 3 day written notice which is probably what was served. Certainly the circumstances fulfill the provisions.

And the civil jury will hear all of this too.

I love when you post this. It took three years for you to read what I’ve been posting since the first thread. Now there was a time frame when it was deleted but then it was put back in. I did repeat that post a lot as y’all complain I tend to do.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If she was served a three day notice to quit on the 5th, it makes it even more tragic and insane that he shot her on the 7th.

The tragedy is that she felt entitled to stay, unwelcome, on someone else’s property while engaging in a never ending engagement of harassment, stalking, illegally recording, ninja-ing, false reporting, threatening, defaming, slandering, libeling, extorting and assaulting and trying to murder MB after knowing for quite some time that she was despised and unwanted and he wanted her gone and that she was asked to leave but decided to assault him - a thing the jury is guaranteed to see, note and it will stick in their craw.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

Either that or he didn’t want to commit perjury.

Most lawyers would claim the earliest believable date and wrap themselves in “by information and belief”.

How would you know what most lawyers would do when you are so (also) clueless about law?

I think CH has shown a significant understanding of the law and ability to question and comprehend complex issues in her correspondence with lawyers here.

And you would be wrong.

[Knights_Mom]

I’m just pointing out what the civil jury will see and come to find out and how they will view that.

[lazaret]

@hut-ho78

make her life so miserable she would beg to leave

This clearly never happened, because she never left, despite absolutely nothing preventing her from doing so to the extent that she retained attorneys to “resolve the matter” when none would have been required if she left, except to sue for any monies she felt she was owed.

Her own attorney admitted on the stand that a “settlement” was being discussed. That sounds like someone who was begging to leave to you?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@CurrentlyHorseless

If she was served a three day notice to quit on the 5th, it makes it even more tragic and insane that he shot her on the 7th

Before anyone says I’m saying anything else, NO I am not saying I think Lauren ending up with bullet wounds was justified or should have happened, or anything of the sort. I agree it’s tragic the situation boiled to this point.

I just want to point out - she wasn’t going anywhere. That’s the point of the timeline. She got the notice on the 5th. And, what was her testimony she was doing on the 7th? Packing? Calling around looking for barns? Putting out a shout out for help moving? (All while her dad had moved out of negotiations and had hired an attorney to represent her in the eviction “matter” as he phrased it.)

Nope, she was lounging on the porch with either a book, a tablet, or her phone, or all three, depending on which LK statement we are referring to, while instructing RG to “Finish The Bastard.”

She wasn’t leaving.

By serving the order to vacate on the fifth, Barisone was then in a position to pursue the legal eviction process, which likely would have taken more than three days.

If she was still there on the eighth, he obviously is not permitted to kill her to “get rid of” her at the end of three days. Just to continue on with the legal eviction process.

[Unfforgettable]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Ah, “temporarily insane”? He’s right as rain by now? Memory has returned?

Wouldn’t that be wonderful! To have his memory return so the real story would be told.

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@lazaret

@hut-ho78

make her life so miserable she would beg to leave

This clearly never happened, because she never left, despite absolutely nothing preventing her from doing so to the extent that she retained attorneys to “resolve the matter” when none would have been required if she left, except to sue for any monies she felt she was owed.

Her own attorney admitted on the stand that a “settlement” was being discussed. That sounds like someone who was begging to leave to you?

He said that in a text to MHG back July when I think LK was still singing his praises on SM. Who broke who? Maybe he made her so miserable she broke first. He may have broken just from the stress he was already under plus prior injuries and it had nothing to do with her.

He never turned down her money and he sold her a horse. If he thought she was so bad why in earth would he sell her a schoolmaster horse worth $40,000?

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@CurrentlyHorseless

@ekat

@CurrentlyHorseless

If she was served a three day notice to quit on the 5th, it makes it even more tragic and insane that he shot her on the 7th

Before anyone says I’m saying anything else, NO I am not saying I think Lauren ending up with bullet wounds was justified or should have happened, or anything of the sort. I agree it’s tragic the situation boiled to this point.

I just want to point out - she wasn’t going anywhere. That’s the point of the timeline. She got the notice on the 5th. And, what was her testimony she was doing on the 7th? Packing? Calling around looking for barns? Putting out a shout out for help moving? (All while her dad had moved out of negotiations and had hired an attorney to represent her in the eviction “matter” as he phrased it.)

Nope, she was lounging on the porch with either a book, a tablet, or her phone, or all three, depending on which LK statement we are referring to, while instructing RG to “Finish The Bastard.”

She wasn’t leaving.

By serving the order to vacate on the fifth, Barisone was then in a position to pursue the legal eviction process, which likely would have taken more than three days.

If she was still there on the eighth, he obviously is not permitted to kill her to “get rid of” her at the end of three days. Just to continue on with the legal eviction process.

The police could act with a court order after the three days.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@lazaret

@hut-ho78

make her life so miserable she would beg to leave

This clearly never happened, because she never left, despite absolutely nothing preventing her from doing so to the extent that she retained attorneys to “resolve the matter” when none would have been required if she left, except to sue for any monies she felt she was owed.

Her own attorney admitted on the stand that a “settlement” was being discussed. That sounds like someone who was begging to leave to you?

It sounds like someone who wants to leave, but wants to leave on her own terms rather than caving to being bullied and harassed.

If she had anticipated that he would resort to gun violence, in I think she would have left post haste. But I don’t think she, or MHG, or RC, or Tarshis, anticipated that.

[Scribbler]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@lazaret

@hut-ho78

make her life so miserable she would beg to leave

This clearly never happened, because she never left, despite absolutely nothing preventing her from doing so to the extent that she retained attorneys to “resolve the matter” when none would have been required if she left, except to sue for any monies she felt she was owed.

Her own attorney admitted on the stand that a “settlement” was being discussed. That sounds like someone who was begging to leave to you?

It sounds like someone who wants to leave, but wants to leave on her own terms rather than caving to being bullied and harassed.

If she had anticipated that he would resort to gun violence, in I think she would have left post haste. But I don’t think she, or MHG, or RC, or Tarshis, anticipated that.

Hmm. LK posted on social media before the shooting that there was a murder plot against her. She called the police about the black SUV that turned out to be Hay Dealer Security Guard and said on SM that he was part of a murder plot.

[Sdel]

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@lazaret

@hut-ho78

make her life so miserable she would beg to leave

This clearly never happened, because she never left, despite absolutely nothing preventing her from doing so to the extent that she retained attorneys to “resolve the matter” when none would have been required if she left, except to sue for any monies she felt she was owed.

Her own attorney admitted on the stand that a “settlement” was being discussed. That sounds like someone who was begging to leave to you?

He said that in a text to MHG back July when I think LK was still singing his praises on SM.

While she was recording him. It is clear from her posting that she was recording him for a long time before things “went south”…

I guess the disconnect here is because you feel it is appropriate to record people anytime, anywhere, for any reason, as a matter of rote?

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

By serving the order to vacate on the fifth, Barisone was then in a position to pursue the legal eviction process, which likely would have taken more than three days

Yes. Likely many months, when one has no intention of leaving.

@CurrentlyHorseless

If she was still there on the eighth, he obviously is not permitted to kill her to “get rid of” her at the end of three days. Just to continue on with the legal eviction process.

Good thing no one has ever asserted that.

Again - missed point. My point is this: people have stated he should have evicted her sooner. Or started the process sooner. My point, to make this as clear as I know how - she was not leaving until she was escorted off the premises. The actual notice did nothing to impel her to leave, it simply spurred her to act even more maliciously.

[ekat]

@hut-ho78

The police could act with a court order after the three days.

No they can’t. The landlord gets to go to court, have a hearing, and wait for a judgment, that the tenant can dispute. And by dispute I mean, post judgment, the tenant can ask for up to six more months!

[ekat]

@hut-ho78

He said that in a text to MHG back July when I think LK was still singing his praises on SM. Who broke who? Maybe he made her so miserable she broke first. He may have broken just from the stress he was already under plus prior injuries and it had nothing to do with her

July 13 was the date of that text per MHG’s testimony in the criminal trial.

Let’s look at what Lauren was doing prior to July 13, that we know about.

April 20, 2019 LK FB post that she put up cameras around the property

April 27, 2019, Meeting with MHG, MB, LK, and her dad. MHG told her to leave.

July 10 CPS search on LK’s phone

July 12 FB posts about MHG (king captured, queen killed)

Sounds super friendly and amicable.

[lazaret]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If she had anticipated that he would resort to gun violence, in I think she would have left post haste

She literally bragged about her own weapons on Facebook.

Who brought up gun violence first? It wasn’t MB.

[MorganSercu]

@smoofox

We do not repeatedly brag about comas or flat-lining or anything else that may have happened as a way to show we have suffered more than anyone else and are thus justified in engaging in inappropriate behavior.

What? No Pain Olympics categories or medals? How very adult. Pity it isn’t contagious.

[lazaret]

I also fail to see how a trainer selling a client a horse more than a year prior to the disputed actions has anything to do with anything.

By all accounts I have seen, the relationship had soured by the end of the 2019 Florida season and MB had not wanted her to return to the farm, in April. He informed them they could not live at the farm, at which point, based on filings, he alleges that the Kanarek family intimidated him into permitting her to return to the farm.