MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[FitzE]

@Warmblood1

I’d feel like an idiot after reading that if I were her.

Yep, and I’d have one of my SM-famous meltdowns on Nagel and probably fire him.

As I noted above, this is a client for whom substantial public image rehab is required. Nagel does nothing, and I mean nothing, like he makes them look somehow even worse than they make themselves look every time her opens his mouth (slagging off the jury) or drafts something (latest response).

They need someone calm, reasoned, unfailingly professional, prompt, on top of everything served and filed, ahead of the game, not a day late and a dollar short, and smart who fully supports everything he writes and says. Someone with poise, not a show boating loud mouth.

What they got was that show. Hoo boy, the contrast in those filings. As a legal professional myself, all I can say is: Wow.

[Angela_Freda]

@trubandloki

I still can not figure out what posting in the morning could possibly mean that is nefarious, but clearly some people have better imaginations than I do.
Are they trying to imply people have been up all night or something? (Not that working over night is a bad thing.)

I was on here and Facebook the other morning at 3am. Not typical for me, but I had a lot on my mind and couldn’t sleep.
I’m as guilty as anyone of not remembering that we don’t know what others are dealing with and why they might need mindless escape like this.

[Knights_Mom]

I sleep in 3 or 4 hour increments throughout the day and night so I can be here at various times. Am a bit of a night person and I’m retired so I’m free to be nocturnal.

[MorganSercu]

Water seeks its own level.

[Angela_Freda]

[Angela_Freda]

@Joanne

Should have shown something with the results to prove she was actually there. Were those the classes that finally officially got her the bronze? Maybe get the results taken from the USDF database?

[Warmblood1]

I honestly don’t think it matters whether she did or didn’t compete in the class. I also don’t think the judge is going to be questioning whether she did or didn’t complete it like we are. The point is, she felt physically well enough to compete and certainly wasn’t worried about implications of COVID going to a large public event.

[Angela_Freda]

But that’s not who they will hire.
Because they don’t want to do the work, they don’t want to have to actually behave how they need to… They just want the world to continue this pretense, this illusion that they are and do.

@MorganSercu

Water seeks its own level.

[DownYonder]

I can’t get over the difference between Deininger and Nagel as evidenced by these latest filings. Deininger is calm, professional, methodical, competent. Nagel is overly emotional, hasty, and amateurish.

The more I think about Nagel’s notification that he intends to seek a protective order, the more I get the feeling that he may have been under an enormous amount of pressure to get that filing out there, pronto. He could of course have personal reasons for rushing the filing (holiday weekend coming up, other commitments, etc.), but I can’t help but wonder if he is being seriously leaned on by his client.

OTOH, if I was in his shoes, I would be trying to do anything possible to avoid having to sit in a room with LK for hours on end, watching her flail around while being questioned by Deininger. I think I would need a few very stiff drinks before walking into that room.

[trubandloki]

@DownYonder

OTOH, if I was in his shoes, I would be trying to do anything possible to avoid having to sit in a room with LK for hours on end, watching her flail around while being questioned by Deininger. I think I would need a few very stiff drinks before walking into that room.

I would guess that neither side looks forward to that experience.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@hut-ho78

The jury, who was in the room, and had nothing else to do but focus on the trial, believed MB shot her twice but was delusional at the time.

That is why he is about to have a Krol hearing.

Did they? Are you sure? How do you know, did you track them down and ask them personally?

It’s an implication of the NGRI verdict.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

I would guess that neither side looks forward to that experience.

We saw a pic of SGF’s conference room. Bruce wants the hearing at his place. I wonder which one has the better nap room/nap mats?

[erinmeri]

How common is it for an attorney to file something that is so egregiously lacking? Dernninger’s response was essentially “you can’t do that - not how it works, buddy.” Seems to me that if I was Nagel, I would be humiliated at having submitted with no evidence if the evidence is cursory and necessary for such a filing (nevermind the mistruths and typos, etc!). Is this the gross incompetence it appears to be to a layperson? Or are such mistakes commonplace?

[DownYonder]

Another question for the legal peeps.

Nagel has been immortalized on video for referring to the jury in the criminal trial as “insane.”

I assume that fact will not be allowed to be brought up during the civil trial for fear it could prejudice the jury against him.

And I also assume prospective jurors will be asked during selection proceedings if they have any knowledge of Nagel, either personally or via SM posts or otherwise - and excluded from the jury if they answer in the affirmative.

But - can Deininger, Silver, etc., request that Nagel not be allowed (not sure of the correct legal term) to represent LK in the courtroom due to his derogatory comments about the jury in the criminal trial?

[2tempe]

8/30/2020	NCDCTA Labor Of Love II	Fourth	1	Jay-T	A. Head	55.769
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8/15/2020 - 8/16/2020	Made in the Shade I	Third	3	Even Better	S. Osborn	61.125
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6/27/2020	Dressage at the Park I	Second	3	Even Better	K. Poag	63.095

She did not show in Oct 2020 (entries in the filing) but did show three times earlier in 2020. Thanks to USDF Scores.

[ekat]

@erinmeri

How common is it for an attorney to file something that is so egregiously lacking? Dernninger’s response was essentially “you can’t do that - not how it works, buddy.”

I have been mystified by that pleading since it was filed.

@DownYonder

But - can Deininger, Silver, etc., request that Nagel not be allowed (not sure of the correct legal term) to represent LK in the courtroom due to his derogatory comments about the jury in the criminal trial?

No - Lauren gets to pick her attorney, warts, inappropriate comments, and all.

[DownYonder]

@2tempe

8/30/2020	NCDCTA Labor Of Love II	Fourth	1	Jay-T	A. Head	55.769
Show Details
8/15/2020 - 8/16/2020	Made in the Shade I	Third	3	Even Better	S. Osborn	61.125
Show Details
6/27/2020	Dressage at the Park I	Second	3	Even Better	K. Poag	63.095

She did not show in Oct 2020 (entries in the filing) but did show three times earlier in 2020. Thanks to USDF Scores.

I hope that info finds its way into the hands of Deininger.

Also - if she is currently not physically capable of competing, it certainly doesn’t seem that it is because of her injuries from the Aug 2019 shooting. Must be some other factors at play…

[ekat]

@2tempe

She did not show in Oct 2020 (entries in the filing) but did show three times earlier in 2020. Thanks to USDF Scores

So, two definite competitions in 2020 post-shooting when COVID was far more dangerous, and vaccines weren’t everywhere yet in addition to the one she entered in October might make Deininger’s argument a little stronger, possibly.

Very interesting.

Oh, and thank you for posting that!

[DownYonder]

@ekat

@DownYonder

But - can Deininger, Silver, etc., request that Nagel not be allowed (not sure of the correct legal term) to represent LK in the courtroom due to his derogatory comments about the jury in the criminal trial?

No - Lauren gets to pick her attorney, warts, inappropriate comments, and all.

My initial response is “Dang.” But after thinking about it a bit more - it could be very, very amusing to see Deininger vs Nagel in the courtroom. It could be like putting a high school basketball player up against a big-gun NBA pro.

[ekat]

@DownYonder

My initial response is “Dang.” But after thinking about it a bit more - it could be very, very amusing to see Deininger vs Nagel in the courtroom

Don’t forget Mr Bilinkas, coming in off the bench, so to speak.