MB update

[CindyB59]

Mental problems with potential violence? All I remember being mentioned is treatment for depression. I may well be missing something. Has he had previously documented anger issues, over and above what an average person does?

But…this is exactly why there is such a stigma and people are hesitant to seek help. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

[Sdel]

@ekat

@CurrentlyHorseless

LK will try to establish that SGF knew or should have known of his mental problems and potential for violence. I’m not on her legal team, or her, or her family, so it’s not my job to establish it

Well, she hasn’t alleged that (yet) in her suit so…

Yes, because until the conclusion of the trial the LK narrative has been that Michael is faking/not mentally unstable and that he was actually engaging in a purposeful and planned plot.

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The essence of the civil suit is whether SGF is liable because they knew or should have known that MB was suffering from or susceptible to, a mental break that would cause severe injury or death to others.

Damn!! All bases were covered in his life and successful business until that one factor of a person obsessed with total destruction entering his business and life. I guess we must all seek addendums to our insurance policies to protect ourselves from truly evil persons.

[cutter99]

You know what I find just INCREDIBLY ironic?

The veracity of certain posters here to harp on the fact that Michael experienced bouts of mental illness for which he actively sough the appropriate help, but their lack of understanding that a barefoot ninja heroin addict, and her lackey, tagalong, addicted boy toy, were mentally ill enough that they conspired to make someone lose their mind!

[Knights_Mom]

@cutter99

You know what I find just INCREDIBLY ironic?

The veracity of certain posters here to harp on the fact that Michael experienced bouts of mental illness for which he actively sough the appropriate help, but their lack of understanding that a barefoot ninja heroin addict, and her lackey, tagalong addicted boy toy, were mentally ill enough that they conspired to make someone lose their mind!

Especially ironic since suboxone is known to cause violent and volatile behavior.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

LK will try to establish that SGF knew or should have known of his mental problems and potential for violence. I’m not on her legal team, or her, or her family, so it’s not my job to establish it.

I’m just giving my humble opinion on the civil trial.

LK can try to do that. I am expecting it will likely go as well as most things LK has tried to do in this situation. But thank you for the heads up on what to expect moving forward.

[eggbutt]

@cutter99

You know what I find just INCREDIBLY ironic?

The veracity of certain posters here to harp on the fact that Michael experienced bouts of mental illness for which he actively sough the appropriate help, but their lack of understanding that a barefoot ninja heroin addict, and her lackey, tagalong addicted boy toy, were mentally ill enough that they conspired to make someone lose their mind!

AND WERE PROUD OF THEIR ACTIONS!!!

[Sdel]

@Knights_Mom

Especially since suboxone is known to cause violent and volatile behavior.

As are quite a few other illegal drugs.

[ekat]

@Sdel

Yes, because until the conclusion of the trial the LK narrative has been that Michael is faking/not mentally unstable and that he was actually engaging in a purposeful and planned plot.

Oh she’s still alleging that which leads me to my next points.

LK’s suit doesn’t claim he had mental problems or a propensity for violence (where the fruit bat did that come from?)

Also, we know from the suit that at the time of filing, Michael Barisone owned at least 40% of SGF. The LLC wasn’t dissolved and settled until later.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I asked a question: why would the firing pins have been removed from the hand gun/revolvers to render them inoperable?

You state this like it is a fact.
Maybe the fire pin was removed and that happens to make it inoperable. Which is a very different thing than the firing pin being removed to make it inoperable.

[Knights_Mom]

In fact of the three people at the shooting, TWO had multiple arrests in multiple states. One did not. TWO had issues with substance abuse and were both actively using substances which could lead to erratic and violent behavior. One did not.

[smoofox]

Well, having had personal experience with a trainer who was most definitely mentally ill and BSC at times, I guess I must recalibrate those 2 years of hell and realize that surely it was all my fault. Somehow. Some way.

Trying to stay up to date here - somehow firing pins are now the cause celebre that we are all supposed to be fired up about?

Because not so long ago we were supposed to fixate on MB’s personal relationships and how they were the cause of… >> insert whatever here <<<

So much going on here in real life - that makes it hard to keep up on the current trends in these threads…

[eggbutt]

Goodness…could those firing pins have been removed from those apparently antique guns BEFORE they were given to Barisone? Who knows when or why they were removed but I can promise this absurd line of thought by CH is just that - absurdity.

I hope CH is correct and is laying out Lala’s strategy cause it is definitely close to comical.

[BigMama1]

@Sdel

News flash…people are allowed to have mental health problems. It’s not illegal or negligent to lease property to people with mental health problems. In fact, it is highly illegal to discriminate against people with mental health issues. Or are you suggesting that everyone with mental health issues should be homeless because it’s dangerous to lease property to them?

This 100%. What a weird tack for CH to take. If that’s actually the plan of LK’s legal teams it tells me they have nothing else, but it’s so absurd I can’t imagine that possibility exists anywhere except in CH’s head.

As far as the inoperable guns go, there are a number of reasonable explanations for having firing pins removed, including the fact the guns were defective / collector items / unsafe, or simply for the protection of the children living on property. The idea that somebody snuck in and, unbeknownst to MB, disabled some of the weapons stored in the safe but not others in order to protect him from himself? Even more absurd.

ETA equally absurd is the idea SGF is somehow negligent for not predicting that MB would be at risk for a mental break. Since for decades he had been stable and well and successful, right up until LK and RG began their campaign of terror which prompted his break, I don’t see how anyone could have predicted that.

[Knights_Mom]

@BigMama1

@Sdel

News flash…people are allowed to have mental health problems. It’s not illegal or negligent to lease property to people with mental health problems. In fact, it is highly illegal to discriminate against people with mental health issues. Or are you suggesting that everyone with mental health issues should be homeless because it’s dangerous to lease property to them?

This 100%. What a weird tack for CH to take. If that’s actually the plan of LK’s legal teams it tells me they have nothing else, but it’s so absurd I can’t imagine that possibility exists anywhere except in CH’s head.

As far as the inoperable guns go, there are a number of reasonable explanations for having firing pins removed, including the fact the guns were defective / collector items / unsafe, or simply for the protection of the children living on property. The idea that somebody snuck in and, unbeknownst to MB, disabled some of the weapons stored in the safe but not others in order to protect him from himself? Even more absurd.

ETA equally absurd is the idea SHF is somehow negligent for not predicting that MB would be at risk for a mental break. Since for decades he had been stable and well and successful, right up until LK and RG began their campaign of terror which prompted his break, I don’t see how anyone could have predicted that.

As has been said repeatedly, this Civil case is no where near the slam dunk certain people think it is.

[Sdel]

Speaking of medical bills, I wonder how RG paid for that broken hand? Did LK provide medical insurance?

[BigMama1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The essence of the civil suit is whether SGF is liable because they knew or should have known that MB was suffering from or susceptible to, a mental break that would cause severe injury or death to others.

Perhaps in your head that’s the essence of the suit, but that’s not what’s written in the actual documents filed.

[DownYonder]

@eggbutt

RE the $25,000 hospital claim. I wonder if that amount is the copay against Barisone’s health insurance policy?

Yeah, I am wondering if that is the remaining amount due after insurance paid 80% of the balance that was above his deductible amount.

[Knights_Mom]

@DownYonder

@eggbutt

RE the $25,000 hospital claim. I wonder if that amount is the copay against Barisone’s health insurance policy?

Yeah, I am wondering if that is the remaining amount due after insurance paid 80% of the balance that was above his deductible amount.

Seems highly likely given the cost of medical care nowadays.

[Sdel]

Hey, @ekat, backing up a bit. In light of the argument about liability and leasing to MB…if MIchael was a partner in SGF, wasn’t it impossible for him to be excluded from the property?