Just curious. Other than the alleged plastic chips, what for?
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Just curious. Other than the alleged plastic chips, what for?[/QUOTE]
I don’t remember specifics I will ask around the horse show, do you remember what year he was set down for the chips?
I do not see that I said anything close to that.
But I understand that the opportunity for smug superiority is impossible for many here to resist.
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What are the details concerning the spiked boots? How do you even do that to a pair of boots? Was he charged for doing that to his horse?
Sorry but I have to agree with those that feel he isn’t a very good horseman if those allegations are true. He is a wonderful rider, but how could anyone do that to a horse? :no:[/QUOTE]
Yea I don’t understand how people kill horses just becasue they aren’t working out or the owner overpaid and now the horse isn’t performing and the trainer has to fix the problem they created.
1999
Alleged chips
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Very happy for team USA and was cheering Mclain on but maybe it was a poor choice of words, for some us the word horseman really means something. Mclain is a great rider but he’s no horseman. JMHO[/QUOTE]
Well, you might provide ALL the facts, instead of a select few, when throwing accusations around. The FACT is that the FEI inspectors claim they observed pieces of plastic fall from ONE boot (kind of odd to put plastic only in one, but okay) and could not prove that he had used plastic in the boot or boots. The fact is that McLain and his groom took and passed polygraphs about the incident, and these test results were provided to the FEI. Now, if you also want to dispute the results of polygraphs, fine, but I noticed all of his detractors conveniently leave facts like that out when discussing the incident. And yes, it seriously bugs me to see ill-informed posts from people who clearly have never even met this person, when I and others have known him since he was a little kid and showed against him for many years.
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I’m not going into the past and what he might have done. I don’t know, I’m pretty sure I was way to young to hear about in anyway. I’m just talking about right now. For the past 4 years from what I have seen and heard he has been quite a horseman…I should have thought about it more but I didn’t. Right now this is what I have observed.[/QUOTE]
Being too young is no excuse for not knowing the past history of someone. He is by no means a Horseman. He makes me sick, just as his Dad does…and I used to be a huge fan of his Dad.
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We’ve removed/edited several comments re: unproven accusations about past events related to specific individuals. If you want to discuss how substantiated past events affect opinions of Olympians as horsemen, etc., you’re welcome to do so, though the topic has been addressed at length in previous threads.
Any discussion must be based upon proven facts and be related to the main topic of the thread.
Thanks,
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Thank you
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Yea I don’t understand how people kill horses just becasue they aren’t working out or the owner overpaid and now the horse isn’t performing and the trainer has to fix the problem they created.[/QUOTE]
Do you make a habit of libeling people or are you just incapable of distinguishing between two distinct individuals, one of whom (ML) had nothing to do with the insurance fraud issues? It is very damaging to make vague allusions to a crime; stop insinuating that McLain was involved with that.
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Well, you might provide ALL the facts, instead of a select few, when throwing accusations around. The FACT is that the FEI inspectors claim they onserved pieces of plastic fall from ONE boot (kind of odd to put plastic only in one, but okay) and could not prove that he had used plastic in the boot or boots. The fact is that McLain and his groom took and passed polygraphs about the incident, and these test results were provided to the FEI. Now, if you also want to dispute the results of polygraphs, fine, but I noticed all of his detractors conveniently leave facts like that out when discussing the incident. And yes, it seriously bugs me to see ill-informed posts from people who clearly have never even met this person, when I and others have known him since he was a little kid and showed against him for many years.[/QUOTE]
Don’t make assumptions that I have never met him or have been friends with women he has dated…I’m around the horse shows too:lol:
Once again congratulations to our Team.
It’s especially rewarding when all the ingredients needed to win a Gold medal come together at the right moment.
No doubt these riders, if not good horsemen themselves have someone on their team that is. And I also have no doubt each and every rider and their connections knows “you’re only as good as your auto -MO - bile.” Fortunately for HK 2008 they’ll all drivin’ Ferrari’s.
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Do you make a habit of libeling people or are you just incapable of distinguishing between two distinct individuals, one of whom (ML) had nothing to do with the insurance fraud issues? It is very damaging to make vague allusions to a crime; stop insinuating that McLain was involved with that.[/QUOTE]
Wasn’t liabling anyone she was saying she couldn’t believe people put plastic in horses boots and I was saying yea and I can’t believe horse people kill their horses for insurance money…Point is putting plastic in the boots isn’t all that shocking when horses have been killed for insurance money…
If I remember correctly, which I may not, at Aachen one of the inspector-type people saw plastic chips on the ground very near where they were taking Ward’s horse’s boots off. I’m not sure it was ever proven definitively that they were in the boots, and that’s the story Mr. Ward stuck to (and his grooms, I believe). Someone earlier on this thread or one of the other McLain train wrecks mentioned he did take a polygraph about the matter and passed, though that’s also not definitive.
Personally, I think he is an amazing, amazing rider, and his partnership with Sapphire nothing short of the stuff dreams are made of. Maybe I’m too willing to give benefit of the doubt, I don’t know.
Oh for the love of pete - really people? Thread after thread after thread of this crap. Why now? MW goes out, does his job, does great, contributes to his team, and the witch hunt begins anew by a bunch of old biddy’s and young know it all know nothings. You could all do well working for the tabloids - it suits you well.
This board must be chock full of angelic perfection with these posters, dismayed at the very whisper of anything they think that somebody may have said or done somewhere. Are you REALLY going to rely on an anonymous BB to supply you with “Facts” about someone you’ve never met, probably never will meet, and don’t even begin to have any first hand knowledge of? Seriously? By people that don’t even provide their real name?
Every professional and non-professional horse person in the business long enough has done something that some would find offensive. There are a few darlings of these Olympics that have done things that some would find offensive. But unless you were there to witness it yourself, or there are court documents that you can provide a direct link to - all this is, is equine tabloid bullshit. And unless you can tell me that you, nor your family, or neighbors, or puppies, or anyone in anyway associated with you, have never, not ever, done a single thing that someone, somewhere, could declare as horrid, what business do you have spewing forth anything at all?
Still waiting for Ridgeback to come up with all the other instances when Mclain was in trouble with the FEI. Starting to think that there may not have been any others…
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Wasn’t liabling anyone she was saying she couldn’t believe people put plastic in horses boots and I was saying yea and I can’t believe horse people kill their horses for insurance money…Point is putting plastic in the boots isn’t all that shocking when horses have been killed for insurance money…[/QUOTE]
For those unfamiliar with the insurance fraud scam, comparing the ALLEGED plastic incident with the horse killings can easily be read to insinuate that the same person was involved in both. If that was not your intent, you could have specified that Barney was the one implicated in the fraud. But that was not as fun as being deliberately vague, I suppose.
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:lol::lol::lol: Some horses are just happier then others and it doesn’t always have anything to do with the rider…[/QUOTE]
Then you’ve never ridden a mare! Most of them either like you or they don’t. And when they like you, they work their butts off for you. Clearly, Sapphire likes him.
Big congrats to all the members of TEAM GOLD!
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I don’t remember specifics I will ask around the horse show, do you remember what year he was set down for the chips?[/QUOTE]
How many of you people bashing Mclain can actually prove that he put chips in his horse’s boots?
I don’t think many of you can, I think you’ve only ever heard about it through people at horse shows. Ha! REALLY reliable sources of information don’t ya think!?!?
I will be so glad when I’m not pregnant anymore and this board is no longer my relief from boredom because like some of you have mentioned, there is a lot of hateful venom here. No one can ever be happy. Or let alone just think about themselves for once instead of the mud on everyone elses boots.
I don’t know much about the story, I don’t follow Mclain or any news really about any of those BNT’s that you guys all seem to idolize.
But what I do know after watching this guy is that he is an AMAZING rider and I love to watch him go.
Enough said.
I believe his horse also tested positive for cocaine several years ago.
