Mclain Ward: True horsemanship

I swear the thought process displayed by some posters here is amazing to behold.

Facts seem to be annoying little things that can be ignored at will, innuendo is the preferred way to go, say whatever you want and cloak it with some incontrovertible statement like, I can’t understand how people can kill a horse that doesn’t work out."

In the forum who is going to argue that point?

The apparently irresistible urge to talk about other people negatively, to relentlessly impute bad motives and bad actions, to never forgive or forget, and to deny any possibility of redemption or reform depresses me.

Our horses are worthy of better people – on all sides of this commentary.

[QUOTE=YankeeLawyer;3458766]
For those unfamiliar with the insurance fraud scam, comparing the ALLEGED plastic incident with the horse killings can easily be read to insinuate that the same person was involved in both. If that was not your intent, you could have specified that Barney was the one implicated in the fraud. But that was not as fun as being deliberately vague, I suppose.[/QUOTE]

Sorry wasn’t even talking about Barney sadly I had friends that I found out were part of it. Mclain would have been a kid when all that went down.

That was me. Thank you for noticing; no one else wants to consider any possibility other than the guy is guilty, guilty, guilty. Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, don’tcha know. UGH! I suppose we should just have courts throw entire families in jail if one family member runs afoul of the law. I mean, if one did something, they must all be baddies, right? And actually, let’s not bother having trials or anything, because if someone alleges something, it must be true, right? Nevermind if they can prove it, or there is contrary evidence or mitigating circumstances.

[QUOTE=red mare;3458767]
Then you’ve never ridden a mare! Most of them either like you or they don’t. And when they like you, they work their butts off for you. Clearly, Sapphire likes him.

Big congrats to all the members of TEAM GOLD![/QUOTE]

Yea I had a mare and she was a sweetie it was just who she was…

[QUOTE=Madeline;3458760]
Still waiting for Ridgeback to come up with all the other instances when Mclain was in trouble with the FEI. Starting to think that there may not have been any others…[/QUOTE]

Sweatpea you can keep waiting like I said I will ask around the horse show but I will be gone for a few days… If I’m not mistaken I said two times maybe more wasn’t sure. :lol::lol:

I would say some of the people who know him, and the kind of person he is were on that medal podium with him. It was noticed by a Maclain Ward fan that the others celebrated together, while leaving him to himself. They had no clue of any history, but mentioned is casually to me yesterday as it puzzled them. A statement by the rest of the team? Seemed like there was no love lost.

[QUOTE=CoolMeadows;3458661]
Only a great horseman can keep a horse fit, game and soft eyed for the length of time McLain’s kept Sapphire going. There is no faking the attitude a horse has at that level, other stuff maybe but that is one happy mare.[/QUOTE]

Quoted for truth. No warmblood mare is going to be jumping that well at the international level for two Olympic games and the years in between if she’s not being treated right.

Date? Horse? Outcome? Or is this just “I heard this from someone at a horse show…”

ridgeback I think you’ve made your point.

You don’t like McLain Ward. I think we’ve all gotten the message. Beyond that is there anything else to add? Saying it over and over in some quasi debate by challenging everyone who has anything positive to say just seems like overkill. I’m not trying to call you out as plenty of people have cited their views as well but the relentless nature gets tiresome.

If someone says they admire his riding ability it’s not the equivalent of casting a vote for him to be the next Pope.

He was acused of a violation of the FEI and while he denied the charge he did serve a penalty. I don’t think anyone is sweeping that under the rug. However to keep some objectivity a list of riders with FEI violations is long from Jessica Kurten (IRE) to Ludger Beerbaum (GER), et al.

If the USEF suspends a team rider, you can bet THEY believe the evidence is serious against that person. I believe he was suspended for both the pointed chips, and the cocaine drug test drawn from his horse.

This just goes to show how poor American Society is. You can’t prove he did it, but he must have because someone else said he did. It’s not possible that he is nothing like his father, or that if he did spike the boots, that he learned from it and his mistakes and made a change in his life for the better. Nope, he’s just a rotten apple. Good to know everyone else is so perfect here.

So you haven’t a clue and think it’s funny to toss out unsubstantiated allegations? Ha ha???

[QUOTE=Fairview Horse Center;3458797]
I would say some of the people who know him, and the kind of person he is were on that medal podium with him. It was noticed by a Maclain Ward fan that the others celebrated together, while leaving him to himself. They had no clue of any history, but mentioned is casually to me yesterday as it puzzled them. A statement by the rest of the team? Seemed like there was no love lost.[/QUOTE]

As I was not in China hanging out in a bar with the Team this week I have no idea who partied with whom. How is it that you have any idea whether they celebrated together or if not, why not? Speculating about that is like the thread analyzing whether McLain demonstrated a sufficient level of patriotism by his demeanor on the podium. It is really absurd.

Just watching the train go by…

And offering a passing observation.

I remember the chips in boots incident and as noted by the link posted above it did earn McClain a sanction from the FEI.

He is by no means the first Olympic caliber rider to get caught up in such shenanigans, only one of the latest. Nevertheless that sort of history gives me pause (in any sport) where the athlete is given the high honor of representing our nation.

I recognize that these days in society all sorts of athletes commit all sorts of crimes (think football and drugs) and often get a faux ‘lifetime ban’ followed by reinstatement within months. That doesn’t mean I like it or have to get comfortable with it.

I’ll root for ‘our team’ whoever is on it. But for me personally, the infamous boot incident, coupled with all that litigation in the late 90s, is the reason I no longer send my tiny financial contribution to the USEF, where I had been a member of the old USET for decades.

Well, this thread is headed the way of the others so before it has to be done away with, I’m adding my CONGRATS TEAM!! And THANK YOU :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=jse;3458771]
How many of you people bashing Mclain can actually prove that he put chips in his horse’s boots?
I don’t think many of you can, I think you’ve only ever heard about it through people at horse shows. Ha! REALLY reliable sources of information don’t ya think!?!?
I will be so glad when I’m not pregnant anymore and this board is no longer my relief from boredom because like some of you have mentioned, there is a lot of hateful venom here. No one can ever be happy. Or let alone just think about themselves for once instead of the mud on everyone elses boots.
I don’t know much about the story, I don’t follow Mclain or any news really about any of those BNT’s that you guys all seem to idolize.
But what I do know after watching this guy is that he is an AMAZING rider and I love to watch him go.
Enough said.[/QUOTE]

Press Release:

The American Horse Shows Association (AHSA), the National Equestrian Federation of the United States, announced Wednesday that following a meeting of its Hearing Committee, two plea agreements entered into by McLain Ward of Brewster, N.Y., were approved, and he has been suspended from all of the AHSA’s recognized competitions in the United States and fined a total of $13,000.

The signed agreements were also entered into by the AHSA’s Executive Director, Kevin Carlon, as specified by the rules regarding plea agreements. They eliminated the necessity of a formal hearing, which had been scheduled for New York on Monday, December 13, 1999. The hearing had been noticed based on formal charges the AHSA issued in the wake of actions by the sport’s international federation, the Federation Equestre Internationale (FEI), to discipline Ward for alleged infractions of FEI rules at a major international event at Aachen, Germany, in June. Although Mr. Ward has denied any knowledge of or involvement in any FEI rule infraction, he acknowledges in the plea that as rider he was “the person responsible” under FEI rules. The AHSA’s charges were based on reciprocity between the AHSA and the FEI in enforcing the sport’s rules, as well as alleged violations of the AHSA/USET (United States Equestrian Team) Code of Conduct, which all athletes representing the USA in international competition are required to sign and observe.

The AHSA’s suspension begins on the date set by the FEI, Sept. 20, 1999, and continues until May 19, 2000, unless it is reduced by the FEI or the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), before which Ward has an appeal pending. Ward has stated that he has not competed in national or international competition after Sept. 20, pending his appeal, and the AHSA accepted that representation. The FEI imposed costs and a fine totaling CHF $7,500 (approximately $4,500 U.S.) and the AHSA’s fine of $10,000 in the reciprocity case is in addition to that amount. Should the CAS overturn the FEI’s action in its entirety, the AHSA has agreed to waive the fine and the suspension. Should the CAS or the FEI reduce the time of the suspension, the AHSA has agreed to end its suspension on the date set by the CAS or FEI, but the fine will not be reduced unless the FEI penalty is overturned in its entirety.

Ward also faced separate charges for a violation of the AHSA’s Drugs and Medications Rules, as trainer of a horse in an Amateur/Owner Jumper class at the American Gold Cup in September 1999 which tested positive for metabolites of a forbidden substance (cocaine). As part of that plea agreement approved by the Hearing Committee, while denying he administered any forbidden substance to the horse under his care, Ward accepted his responsibility under AHSA rules as trainer. He was fined an additional $3,000, and suspended for one additional month, to be served following the conclusion of the pending FEI/AHSA suspension of 8 months. Ward’s fines are payable to the AHSA on or before Feb. 1, 2000.

In commenting on the resolution of these cases, the President of the AHSA, Alan F. Balch, said that "this has been a very difficult and time-consuming process for all concerned. Under the rules, the Executive Director has the responsibility to issue charges, and then explore plea agreements such as the ones reached here. But the ultimate responsibility of judgment rests with the Hearing Committee, which is composed of volunteers and is entirely independent, which must approve plea agreements before they become effective.

The special five-member hearing panel which approved the settlements included both eligible international athletes and USET trustees, as required by the rules in certain cases involving international competition. Mrs. T.V.W. Cushny (a trustee of USET) chaired the panel, joined by athletes David O’Connor (USET trustee) and Michael Poulin, as well as Jessica Ransehausen (USET trustee) and Linda Zang. The panel was appointed by the co-chairs of the AHSA Hearing Committee, following consultation with both Balch and Finn M.W. Caspersen, Chairman and President of USET, as provided for in the rules.

“The very idea of a settlement instead of a full hearing,” Balch added, “was a concern to many of us, including our Executive Director, who sought advice from our officers and attorneys. However, since the rules specifically provide for the possibility of a settlement in these cases, we agreed that it was necessary and appropriate to consider settlements, provided that the Hearing Committee independently approve any settlement reached, which is also a requirement of the rules. While I can’t speak for any of the members of the panel, and did not participate in its deliberation in these cases, as a long time member of that committee, I am certain that they considered all the facts and all the precedents from every conceivable point of view, and that they felt this was a just outcome. This panel was composed of exceptionally experienced people, and I am entirely confident in their judgment. They take their responsibilities very, very seriously. And from what I know of the lengthy process which led to the agreements, it appears to have been agonizingly difficult for both the AHSA’s representatives and Ward’s.”

[QUOTE=Pokey;3458753]
Every professional and non-professional horse person in the business long enough has done something that some would find offensive. [/QUOTE]

True. The professionals who are in the spotlight get grilled on such things, yet there is probably some backyard owner/wanna-be trainer who treats their horses terribly just to make a buck but no-one sees it so not a big deal.

These Olympians are professionals and in the horse business AND making $$ at it. Does not mean I agree with ‘assumed’ tactics but I do agree that I am jealous that they get to do horse stuff all day long and I have to sit in my office 5 days a week! I think that is what causes some of these threads that say how horrible these professionals are - Jealously that we ourselves are not able to be professionals and in the spotlight! On the other hand, if you are in the spotlight, you should always be aware of people watching so better do your best to behave. Then again, for the professionals, this is their lively hood and clients want results and want to their horse/investment to win.

Personally -Mclain is a nice rider. Never heard about the boot thing so not going to make a judgment. I do have feelings towards some training methods like Anky’s and the rollkur/hyperflexion. I think that truly sucks and is just a way to speed along the training process to get faster results, but then again, I am a Walter Zettl fan. I do not think Amy tyron should have been the US choice for eventing, her riding is stiff and not that great IMO, but the US picked professionals who they thought could get the job done. It is about the medals.

[QUOTE=Glimmerglass;3458809]
ridgeback I think you’ve made your point.

You don’t like McLain Ward. I think we’ve all gotten the message. Beyond that is there anything else to add? Saying it over and over in some quasi debate by challenging everyone who has anything positive to say just seems like overkill. I’m not trying to call you out as plenty of people have cited their views as well but the relentless nature gets tiresome.

If someone says they admire his riding ability it’s not the equivalent of casting a vote for him to be the next Pope.

He was acused of a violation of the FEI and while he denied the charge he did serve a penalty. I don’t think anyone is sweeping that under the rug. However to keep some objectivity a list of riders with FEI violations is long from Jessica Kurten (IRE) to Ludger Beerbaum (GER), et al.[/QUOTE]

You are incorrect I don’t dislike Mclain I dislike things he has done… The debate was if he was a good horseman or not.

So, the evidence is – someone who doesn’t know any of the team members watched them on TV for a few moments, thought that MW was not a friend of the others, mentioned that to you – and therefore we know “the kind of person he is.”

Wow!

Do you make these kinds of judgments about everyone is your life?

[QUOTE=ridgeback;3458828]
Press Release:

The American Horse Shows Association (AHSA), the National Equestrian Federation of the United States, announced Wednesday that following a meeting of its Hearing Committee, two plea agreements entered into by McLain Ward of Brewster, N.Y., were approved, and he has been suspended from all of the AHSA’s recognized competitions in the United States and fined a total of $13,000.

The signed agreements were also entered into by the AHSA’s Executive Director, Kevin Carlon, as specified by the rules regarding plea agreements. They eliminated the necessity of a formal hearing, which had been scheduled for New York on Monday, December 13, 1999. The hearing had been noticed based on formal charges the AHSA issued in the wake of actions by the sport’s international federation, the Federation Equestre Internationale (FEI), to discipline Ward for alleged infractions of FEI rules at a major international event at Aachen, Germany, in June. Although Mr. Ward has denied any knowledge of or involvement in any FEI rule infraction, he acknowledges in the plea that as rider he was “the person responsible” under FEI rules. The AHSA’s charges were based on reciprocity between the AHSA and the FEI in enforcing the sport’s rules, as well as alleged violations of the AHSA/USET (United States Equestrian Team) Code of Conduct, which all athletes representing the USA in international competition are required to sign and observe.

The AHSA’s suspension begins on the date set by the FEI, Sept. 20, 1999, and continues until May 19, 2000, unless it is reduced by the FEI or the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), before which Ward has an appeal pending. Ward has stated that he has not competed in national or international competition after Sept. 20, pending his appeal, and the AHSA accepted that representation. The FEI imposed costs and a fine totaling CHF $7,500 (approximately $4,500 U.S.) and the AHSA’s fine of $10,000 in the reciprocity case is in addition to that amount. Should the CAS overturn the FEI’s action in its entirety, the AHSA has agreed to waive the fine and the suspension. Should the CAS or the FEI reduce the time of the suspension, the AHSA has agreed to end its suspension on the date set by the CAS or FEI, but the fine will not be reduced unless the FEI penalty is overturned in its entirety.

Ward also faced separate charges for a violation of the AHSA’s Drugs and Medications Rules, as trainer of a horse in an Amateur/Owner Jumper class at the American Gold Cup in September 1999 which tested positive for metabolites of a forbidden substance (cocaine). As part of that plea agreement approved by the Hearing Committee, while denying he administered any forbidden substance to the horse under his care, Ward accepted his responsibility under AHSA rules as trainer. He was fined an additional $3,000, and suspended for one additional month, to be served following the conclusion of the pending FEI/AHSA suspension of 8 months. Ward’s fines are payable to the AHSA on or before Feb. 1, 2000.

In commenting on the resolution of these cases, the President of the AHSA, Alan F. Balch, said that "this has been a very difficult and time-consuming process for all concerned. Under the rules, the Executive Director has the responsibility to issue charges, and then explore plea agreements such as the ones reached here. But the ultimate responsibility of judgment rests with the Hearing Committee, which is composed of volunteers and is entirely independent, which must approve plea agreements before they become effective.

The special five-member hearing panel which approved the settlements included both eligible international athletes and USET trustees, as required by the rules in certain cases involving international competition. Mrs. T.V.W. Cushny (a trustee of USET) chaired the panel, joined by athletes David O’Connor (USET trustee) and Michael Poulin, as well as Jessica Ransehausen (USET trustee) and Linda Zang. The panel was appointed by the co-chairs of the AHSA Hearing Committee, following consultation with both Balch and Finn M.W. Caspersen, Chairman and President of USET, as provided for in the rules.

“The very idea of a settlement instead of a full hearing,” Balch added, “was a concern to many of us, including our Executive Director, who sought advice from our officers and attorneys. However, since the rules specifically provide for the possibility of a settlement in these cases, we agreed that it was necessary and appropriate to consider settlements, provided that the Hearing Committee independently approve any settlement reached, which is also a requirement of the rules. While I can’t speak for any of the members of the panel, and did not participate in its deliberation in these cases, as a long time member of that committee, I am certain that they considered all the facts and all the precedents from every conceivable point of view, and that they felt this was a just outcome. This panel was composed of exceptionally experienced people, and I am entirely confident in their judgment. They take their responsibilities very, very seriously. And from what I know of the lengthy process which led to the agreements, it appears to have been agonizingly difficult for both the AHSA’s representatives and Ward’s.”[/QUOTE]

Do you know what the world “allegedly” means?
Here dictionary.com is wonderful:
alleged - adj. Represented as existing or as being as described but not so proved; supposed.