I wish I knew someone who personally handled Kris S because those are things that I had been told so I dont know if they are true. I was kinda hoping someone on here had handled him to confirm or deny the rumors.
Wasn’t there a stallion who had to wear a muzzle while being handled because he would attack his handlers? I can’t remember who that was but I remember him being called Hannibal Lector. Does this ring a bell to anyone?
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Chachie, Kris S is by Roberto, and is a brother of the aforementioned Dynaformer (and ‘nephew’ to Halo). I’ve had plenty of horses closely bred to him, and never had an issue. (See my post above about Hail to Reason bred horses)[/QUOTE]
Most Roberto breeding stallion sons were infamous for nastitude.
Kris S is turning into one of the best current lines in racing.
From Wikipedia:
Prized (born 1986) - won 1989 Breeders' Cup Turf, Molson Million
Hollywood Wildcat (born 1990) - won1993 Breeders' Cup Distaff, 1993 American Champion Three-Year-Old Filly
Brocco (born 1991) - won 1993 Breeders' Cup Juvenile and 1994 Santa Anita Derby
Soaring Softly (born 1995) won1999 Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Turf, 1999 American Champion Female Turf Horse
Action This Day (born 2001) - won 2003 Breeders' Cup Juvenile, American Champion Two-Year-Old Colt
Kris S. also sired two-time Japanese Horse of the Year Symboli Kris S and the 2003 Epsom Derby winner, Kris Kin. In addition, he sired major stakes winners Rock Hard Ten, Kissin Kris, Machikane Allegro, Dr Fong, Kudos, You and I, Adonis, Class Kris, Evening Kris, Cheval Volant, Stocks Up, and Arch. He also sired Vertigineux, honored by the association of Kentucky Thoroughbred Owners and Breeders (KTOB) as “Broodmare of the Year” in April 2009.[1]
Damsire of Zenyatta, and grandsire through Arch of Blame.
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I’m kind of glad to see Halo was an SOB. I will never work with any of his foals again, and it’s nice to know it’s not my fault they were all batty.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but a few generations back…and I’ve had several very cool sport horses. Fabulous minds, stable, good work ethic and fancy. Both total loves who would follow their people through fire…or follow anyone for a peppermint.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/loveton
http://www.pedigreequery.com/kourages+kelly
I don’t know if Salutely has been mentioned on this thread, but his aggression is mentioned in this one: http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?334370-TB-guru-s-Thoughts-on-this-pedigree&highlight=Salutely
I was told of his savaging his grooms at Boniface Farm and throwing many very aggressive babies when I was shopping for yearlings back in the 80’s. Sure enough, I found a beautiful filly by Salutely, decided to watch her, and soon saw a groom flying out of her stall closely pursued by her teeth. Since then, I’ve noticed positive remarks on Salute the Truth’s temperament, for which I tend to give some credit to his broodmare sire, Sir Raleigh, who was as well known for his sweetness as Salutely was for the opposite. It makes me happy to think that this cross may have solved the temperament problem because both were big beautiful stallions putting many very handsome athletes on the ground.
I met Kris S. back in 2001 when I was on a tour in Kentucky. He was brought out to show us because of his extremely good disposition. He stood there calmly while about 75 people swarmed around with cameras, etc. He certainly didn’t seem to be at all badly behaved.
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Wow. A five-year-old thread bumped up. Have to say I missed this the first time around and it is an interesting read. How did you find it, Dani?[/QUOTE]
It was one of a list of related threads at the bottom of another thread I was reading - maybe it was the meanest thing anyone said to you thread in the eventing forum
I recall seeing Baloubet du Rouet compete in Holland at Jumping Amsterdam in 2005. When he left the ring, he was greeted at the gate with two grooms and a plastic muzzle. I know that he has a reputation for being feisty and a handful.
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I recall seeing Baloubet du Rouet compete in Holland at Jumping Amsterdam in 2005. When he left the ring, he was greeted at the gate with two grooms and a plastic muzzle. I know that he has a reputation for being feisty and a handful.[/QUOTE]
Psh, he looks like a pussycat! :winkgrin:
http://www.noellefloyd.com/tag/baloubet-du-rouet/
My gelding is by Devil His Due (so Halo is three back in his pedigree):
http://www.pedigreequery.com/isleshowthedevil
Best horse I have ever owned in my entire life, and I’ve had horses nearly 30 years. That said, he would not be a good match for everyone. He’s smart, athletic, talented, and a very fast learner. He likes to be right, and he tries to do what he is asked. However, he requires a very confident handler and you best watch out if he thinks you’ve done him wrong.
He was, frankly, pretty terrifying as a 4 year old. It was a little more than the typical 4 year old defiance. He literally reared every single day back then, lol. I really thought I made a mistake buying him at times. Now that he is 9 and we’ve had time to work out our relationship…I’m telling you…he’s just the very best partner I could ever ask for, even if he is a bit of a badass. 
I can’t seem to find the thread … the link goes to the homepage? Anyone know what category it is under? Tried searching on that BB but no luck.
kitsunegari View Post I remember hearing about a stallion that was normally easy to handle turning on his handler on the way to the breeding shed, ripped her throat out and killed her.
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Was he a lion or a pitbull? That’s weird for a horse, a flight animal, to go for the jugular.
All of this is so strange to me. Horses are herbivores, flight animals. I am not saying I don’t believe it - it’s just I’ve only owned the sweetest horses, and cannot picture any of them turning on me.[/QUOTE]
Not strange at all. The first place a stallion goes for when fighting with another stallion is the throat. And when they go to pin them to the ground, they grab the wither. When a horse is intent on seriously savaging you, the first place they head for is the face and throat. Spend enough time around many horses and you will sooner or later run into one who will cross the line.
There was an Arabian stallion, Dyako, long dead now, who was nasty in his stall. He was better outside the stall, but was never not handled without a whip in hand and second person nearby. Many years ago a friend of mine purchased a young WB gelding. She was told by the seller that he had been gelded as a 3-year-old because his temperament became nasty and that as a gelding his temperament was a bit better, and it really was quite a bit better, but he still had his moments where you had to be careful with him. She bought him anyway - she was a very experienced horsewoman and could hold her own with horses. She owned him for 5 years and during that time he attempted to savage a horse who narrowly escaped injury only because it could run faster, and then a few years later, he savaged and mauled a mare, killing her. Just prior to the mare, he had taken a run at my friend and the only thing that saved her was the happenstance of the cattlehands who were in the middle of bringing the cattle through (something that happened regularly, the horse was not spooked by cattle at all). He had her knocked down and his mouth was wide open fully intending on savaging her, and 2 of the guys ran at the horse - smacked him with the whip which merely distracted the horse and the other hit him with the cattle prod which made the horse fly backwards. They probably saved her life that day. I told her that horse needed to be put down. She finally did the day he killed the mare. That was 5 years ago.
Some horses just have screwy temperaments. My friend’s horse had never been abused a day in his life. He lived outside and actually with horses. Why he suddenly chose to turn on one of his own companions is one of those horse mysteries.
My friend has never owned a horse since. The experience with her gelding turned her right off horses completely - and this was a childhood friend who grew up on horseback and raised in a horsie family just like I was.
Man O’ War was known to be savage, as was his son War Relic. And I even think the grandson Relic had his moments.
The Hastings line, which is MOW, is supposed to have gotten the nasty disposition from Hastings’s dam, Cinderella.
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Couple of years ago at an event in Louisiana or Arkansas, a horse turned on his vet owner in the stall and killed her. He was a gelding. I think he kicked her in just the wrong place. I have no idea if he was normally nasty or not, but he did kill her.[/QUOTE]
This is a fascinating thread.
Vineyridge…I think you may be referencing the tragic accident at Holly Hill a few years ago. The horse, Indian Artifact, is a complete sweetheart. I had the pleasure of leasing him for a while. We were at that horse trial. A bad thunderstorm developed. As the owner was opening the stall door, a clap of thunder and a bolt of lightening struck near the stabling. Indy spooked, knocked her down and stepped on her chest. I do not remember if she died on the way to the hospital or later. It was horrible, horrible and a reminder that even the gentlest of horse can kill you.
Anyway, all this to say, Indy is a gentleman and a joy. The family always accepted that it was an accident and in no way due to Indy’s behavior.
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kitsunegari View Post I remember hearing about a stallion that was normally easy to handle turning on his handler on the way to the breeding shed, ripped her throat out and killed her.
Not strange at all. The first place a stallion goes for when fighting with another stallion is the throat. And when they go to pin them to the ground, they grab the wither. When a horse is intent on seriously savaging you, the first place they head for is the face and throat. Spend enough time around many horses and you will sooner or later run into one who will cross the line.
There was an Arabian stallion, Dyako, long dead now, who was nasty in his stall. He was better outside the stall, but was never not handled without a whip in hand and second person nearby. Many years ago a friend of mine purchased a young WB gelding. She was told by the seller that he had been gelded as a 3-year-old because his temperament became nasty and that as a gelding his temperament was a bit better, and it really was quite a bit better, but he still had his moments where you had to be careful with him. She bought him anyway - she was a very experienced horsewoman and could hold her own with horses. She owned him for 5 years and during that time he attempted to savage a horse who narrowly escaped injury only because it could run faster, and then a few years later, he savaged and mauled a mare, killing her. Just prior to the mare, he had taken a run at my friend and the only thing that saved her was the happenstance of the cattlehands who were in the middle of bringing the cattle through (something that happened regularly, the horse was not spooked by cattle at all). He had her knocked down and his mouth was wide open fully intending on savaging her, and 2 of the guys ran at the horse - smacked him with the whip which merely distracted the horse and the other hit him with the cattle prod which made the horse fly backwards. They probably saved her life that day. I told her that horse needed to be put down. She finally did the day he killed the mare. That was 5 years ago.
Some horses just have screwy temperaments. My friend’s horse had never been abused a day in his life. He lived outside and actually with horses. Why he suddenly chose to turn on one of his own companions is one of those horse mysteries.
My friend has never owned a horse since. The experience with her gelding turned her right off horses completely - and this was a childhood friend who grew up on horseback and raised in a horsie family just like I was.
Man O’ War was known to be savage, as was his son War Relic. And I even think the grandson Relic had his moments.[/QUOTE]
Man o’ War was not savage, although he was difficult when broke to ride. I have read in several accounts that he and his groom had a very good relationship when he was retired.
I had never heard that WA was savage either. http://thevaulthorseracing.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/war-admiral-the-little-horse-who-could-and-did-for-john-shirreffs/
A reference was made to a Canadian jumper stallion who was on the CET. I think they may be referring to Zucarlos, a KWPN stallion, competed by Jay Hayes. While I don’t know well the story of him and can only comment on having seen the set up at a show where he was competing. The stall had barracades in front and warning signs and he gave me the evil eye in passing but he was like a bouncing rubber ball in the ring. Not large but with plenty of courage and jump. He also had a trademark of bucking after completing his rounds. Oddly Hayes had a second jumper named Raven who also liked to buck after completing the course.
Zucarlos also wore a muzzle - a LOT! - that was removed when he went into the ring and put back on again when he came out of the ring …
Have also heard rumors of the temperament of the Olympic jumping stallion Clinton, but know nothing first hand.
From Saddlebredland, there was a good stallion who, whenever shown, was put in a stall boarded up with plywood. I had a horse by him… a bit screwy.
I was also at public auction once where a large breeding farm was dispersing. One older stallion, who had probably never been off the farm because of his bad temper, was boarded into his stall. They sold him essentially “sight unseen” stating he was not safe to bring out.
There was another very successful ASB breeding stallion who was never brought out without two handlers. All his promotional images also showed two handlers or obviously had them photoshopped out (two shanks on the halter). He had gotten loose once and cornered his manager in a pickup truck. The owner had given the farm permission to shoot him if they ever had to. Again, hot blood who threw more hot blood.
Brilliant yet fragile minds. One wonders how many were born that way and how many became that way through their handlers not being able to cope with their temperament.
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Someone I know who was personally acquainted with Halo said he was just awful…wouldn’t you know I’ve got a Halo grandson now who is certainly not the nicest horse in the barn![/QUOTE]
My Halo grandson was SO sweet! He did have a sh*t streak in him, but was submissive enough to correct. Despite his ailments, he was the most forgiving and uncomplicated horse under saddle. Just a peach.
Alleged required two handlers to go back and forth to his paddock. He was a handful. But love him in a pedigree! MOW was never nasty, just opinionated and tough and not one to be manhandled. His sire Fair Play could be nasty and moody about racing. His grandsire, Hastings, was the nasty one.
There was an Arabian stallion that was here in Alabama that had a loose screw. He was being ridden and trained by a professional woman who is a friend of mine and handled and showed stallions alot. This horse got her off him one day and savaged her – coming back at her more than once, getting on his knees to bite her. She had to be hospitalized and he was sold to some cowboy out west who thought he could handle him. I think he was gelded (duh!) but don’t know what became of him. I had a gelding in to start and train that was just ‘checked out’ most of the time and would try to hurt you if you vaccinated him or had any sort of wound to clean, would never work, would try to run away with you or do anything to intimidate you. I never came off him, but he was just dangerous. His owner finally put him down. He was an Appendix and was bad as a foal.
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