Michael Barisone/Lauren Kanarek Civil Suit

[Greys]

How about a Big McCapy?

You wait, it’ll catch on.

greys

[lazaret]

@CurrentlyHorseless

What I’ve read is that different attorneys have different opinions on whether collateral estoppel can or will be used.

You don’t say.

Ever paused to wonder why a Supreme Court decision is called an opinion?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m speculating that the judge delayed the ruling on the subpoenas for another two months so that the depositions allow the Kanareks to state under oath what items exist. If all the recordings that exist have already been turned over, and JKs pertinent text records have been turned over, I’d expect the judge to quash the subpoenas.

But… why do they need to wait for a deposition to state under oath whether they do or don’t have items that are responsive to the respective subpoenas?

They could just… respond to the actual subpoena ms to clarify what they do or don’t have. That’s literally what a normal discovery process involves.

The Kanareks would be wise to be careful with the length of rope the judge has just handed them on this issue.

I thought that’s what Stone said in his motion to quash the subponeas — that what recordings exist have already been produced.

[lazaret]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m speculating that the judge delayed the ruling on the subpoenas for another two months so that the depositions allow the Kanareks to state under oath what items exist.

That is not how this process works and there is zero possibility this is the Judge’s reasoning on this point.

A subpoena must be answered - either with a sworn statement that you do not have the information asked for or you are not of the information to answer as to whether it exists, or with the production of the requested information.

There’s no door #3 where the thing just goes unanswered and someone finds the reason elsewhere.

[Ghazzu]

@Seeker1

Jamie dancer called ally brock.

And your bunch chatted with Mr. Tarshis.

[Angela_Freda]

@MHM

I don’t remember the surgeon in the trial testifying to any such thing.

In the same way I don’t remember MHG testifying to the things that KK was claiming overnight.

Or like those recordings detailing a murder plot that will blow this case wide open

[SpicyPRE]

However there is a huge difference between a medically necessary surgery and an elective surgery.

[BigMama1]

@McGurk

Lots of people saying she deserved to be shot, that she got what was coming to her, that it’s a shame she wasn’t killed.(!) And they have called her names much more insulting than grifter.

That’s just gross

[Knights_Mom]

@Angela_Freda

@MHM

I don’t remember the surgeon in the trial testifying to any such thing.

In the same way I don’t remember MHG testifying to the things that KK was claiming overnight.

Or like those recordings detailing a murder plot that will blow this case wide open

They even knew, noted and posted here MB had a shovel in his truck bed.

If my life depended on it I could not tell what is in my trainers truck bed.

[3PonyFarm]

Very true!

[BigMama1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

So why can’t collateral estoppel be used on the issue of whether MB shot LK? That was determined in the criminal trial.

Asked and answered

[MHM]

@lazaret

If this was baloney made up by Bilinkas, why on earth would someone answer “at one time, yes” to the question “was there a plan to destroy Michael Barisone?”

Like, on the legal record?

She didn’t, according to KK.

The rest of us must have just imagined it in some sort of mass hallucination.

Along with the lawyers, the videographer, and everyone else who watched the trial. /s

[BigMama1]

@Maria

IMO, because COTH, the Dressage forum, Dressage is what LK craves. It is her dream, desire, want, need to be a respected participant in the Dressage world. The need to be recognized. The need to be held in reverence. To wear the crown. Hence the reason she moved to just outside WellyWorld.

COTH is a possible means to an end. Convince us that MB bad, LK good and this will elevate her standing in the Dressage Community. And possibly put her back on track to the Olympics or whatever else she aspires to.

It does not seem to be working by approaching people in WellyWorld, so go on COTH.

I imagine there are some here who have a good standing or an in, in the Dressage Community who are probably big wigs. I also imagine that most of us here are your rank and file ammies, who have a love for horses and dressage, who are ardent readers and want to improve our knowledge of equines and dressage.

If LK wants to improve her standing in the Dressage Community, she needs to make some changes in herself. She needs to look in the mirror with an objective eye. Look inward. Then be willing to see what is real and not imaginary and really desire to make changes. It will be difficult to undue many years of bad behavior.

Yet I’m guessing 90% of us are just average middle aged ammies, no different from her in that regard. She has no need for our approval

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@lazaret

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m speculating that the judge delayed the ruling on the subpoenas for another two months so that the depositions allow the Kanareks to state under oath what items exist.

That is not how this process works and there is zero possibility this is the Judge’s reasoning on this point.

A subpoena must be answered - either with a sworn statement that you do not have the information asked for or you are not of the information to answer as to whether it exists, or with the production of the requested information.

There’s no door #3 where the thing just goes unanswered and someone finds the reason elsewhere.

Exactly.

The K’s seem to be repeatedly trying to create a door #3 that involves their daughter’s attorney answering these subpoenas, but doing so in a sly way that does NOT involve them actually declaring whether they do or don’t have the subpoenaed evidence.

It’s very slippery. Which begs the question, why try such a slippery tactic in response to a subpoena if there is nothing noteworthy to hide?

[Maria]

I agree completely.

But in her world, she needs our approval. She needs to be better than us. We can’t possibly be on the same level as her.

Consider her thoughts that MGH and JH were not up to snuff to instruct her.

[Knights_Mom]

All these answers are obvious and we all already know the answers.

[MHM]

@SoCoPony

Wait, does he have ears? Or is he supposed to have ears?

I’ve forgotten after the number of posts in the last few hours.

[SillyHorse]

It is a seal yelling a warning that there’s a sea lion in the area!

[Knights_Mom]

@MHM

@SoCoPony

Wait, does he have ears? Or is he supposed to have ears?

I’ve forgotten after the number of posts in the last few hours.

Sea LIONS have ears like real lions have ears.

Seals have no ears as any seal, like a court seal, has no ears. As if the head is sealed shut.

[Joanne]

@Seeker1

Michael admitted to his psychiatrist as per his psychiatrists testimony that he got the loaded gun out of the safe and drove with it down to lauren and robs residence…

Are you referring to Dr. Moustache? The doctor DID NOT say that. Maybe you were deep in prayer at the time.