Michael Barisone/Lauren Kanarek Civil Suit

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@lazaret

@CurrentlyHorseless

What I’ve read is that different attorneys have different opinions on whether collateral estoppel can or will be used.

You don’t say.

Ever paused to wonder why a Supreme Court decision is called an opinion?

OK, Lazaret.

In the case of the Supreme Court, they’re referred to as opinions, decisions and rulings, and they become part of the law.

That’s quite different from the meaning of “opinion” on a discussion board.

1. So what do you think I think the term collateral estoppel means?

It is my opinion that it is not clear whether collateral estoppel will successfully be used in the civil case on the specific issue of whether MB shot LK.

2. Is it your position as a lawyer who understands the principle of collateral estoppel that you know for certain that it won’t be used?Or do you have the same position as I do as a non lawyer, that it’s complicated and it’s not clear whether it will apply or not?

3. Even if collateral estoppel does not apply, do you think Barisone’s defense will try to relitigate the issue of whether Jr shot her? I don’t.

I’m very interested in learning your responses to those three questions, Lazaret.

[MHM]

@MorganSercu

Hey - so it’s Lent and Seeker1 is all about religion. Did you know the Vatican has classified capybara, beaver, muskrat and maybe others as fish so the faithful can eat them during Lent?

https://www.foodandwine.com/news/capybara-beaver-muskrat-lent-approved-foods

I haven’t read the article, but eww.

Talk about moving the goalposts in a gross, disgusting way.

So the Catholic Church has decided they get to just ignore the entire field of science that classifies things as mammals, not fish?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Joanne

@Seeker1

Michael admitted to his psychiatrist as per his psychiatrists testimony that he got the loaded gun out of the safe and drove with it down to lauren and robs residence…

Are you referring to Dr. Moustache? The doctor DID NOT say that. Maybe you were deep in prayer at the time.

I think she is referring to Dr. Simring’s testimony, actually.

It would be interesting to go back and watch and see what the PRECISE testimony was…

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Knights_Mom

@MHM

Wait, does he have ears? Or is he supposed to have ears?

I’ve forgotten after the number of posts in the last few hours.

Sea LIONS have ears like real lions have ears.

Seals have no ears as any seal, like a court seal, has no ears. As if the head is sealed shut.

Sea Lion, making annoying noise.

Note the ears.

[MorganSercu]

They did it a long time ago and haven’t removed it (1500’s? 1700’s? It’s foggy).

But back to the Catholic Church situation. Sometime between the 1500s and 1700s, Venezuelan clergymen asked the Vatican to make a special exception. When they found a capybara lived in water, had webbed feet, and even tasted like fish, they felt that it might be an interesting option. The Catholic Church wrote back and even agreed to make an exception and classify it, not as a giant aquatic rodent, but instead as a fish.

But honestly, is anyone surprised? The same Catholic Church that condemned Galileo for heresy for stating that Earth moves around the sun? They didn’t rescind that until 1992.

This was the second time that Galileo was in the hot seat for refusing to accept Church orthodoxy that the Earth was the immovable center of the universe: In 1616, he had been forbidden from holding or defending his beliefs. In the 1633 interrogation, Galileo denied that he “held” belief in the Copernican view but continued to write about the issue and evidence as a means of “discussion” rather than belief. The Church had decided the idea that the sun moved around the Earth was an absolute fact of scripture that could not be disputed, despite the fact that scientists had known for centuries that the Earth was not the center of the universe.

This time, Galileo’s technical argument didn’t win the day. On June 22, 1633, the Church handed down the following order: “We pronounce, judge, and declare, that you, the said Galileo… have rendered yourself vehemently suspected by this Holy Office of heresy, that is, of having believed and held the doctrine (which is false and contrary to the Holy and Divine Scriptures) that the sun is the center of the world, and that it does not move from east to west, and that the earth does move, and is not the center of the world.”

[MHM]

@cutter99

I doubt it would ever be possible to rehabilitate the reputation of Lauren Kanarek in the dressage world, or that of Jonathan and Kirby Kanarek.

I wonder if their apparent inability to grasp that very obvious fact is similar to their apparent inability to grasp the very obvious fact that she needed to just pack up and leave the farm in New Jersey.

[MHM]

@Joanne

So many posts to get caught up on. Not sure if anyone asked KK:

@Seeker1: Do you know Clara Dobson? ever heard that name before?

Asked but not answered. Several times.

[Knights_Mom]

@MHM

@Joanne

So many posts to get caught up on. Not sure if anyone asked KK:

@Seeker1: Do you know Clara Dobson? ever heard that name before?

Asked but not answered. Several times.

Yes because Kanareks always think they’re being clever. IMO

[Joanne]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

‘Clara’ has apparently deleted all the comments she made on the latest YT true crime analysis video about the shooting.

I don’t remember who posted Clara Dobson’sYT comments here (plus the address showing Kirby Kanarek), but thankful that they did that now that they have been deleted. Too bad the commenters there didn’t know who it was as they would have loved to interact with her.

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

About that, @ekat

Deininger circled a particular text proposing playing one of the recordings to staff and said that it was part of a conversation between LK and JK. At first I assumed it was from JK and indicated he was proposing the move. But it turns out it was an outgoing text from LK. I believe Deininger that the recipient was JK, since I doubt Deininger would lie about that.

If someone texts to me suggesting whatever, does my phone having received such a text prove my involvement? Why didn’t Deininger submit JKs response to the suggestion? Isn’t it JKs response to that text that would indicate his participation?

It sounds to me that Deininger is reaching to paint JK as being more involved than he was. Is that something lawyers do?

Your question is flawed because it follows paragraphs that demonstrate a fundamental lack of understanding of Mr Deininger’s motion and exhibits, which have noting at all to do with Jonathan Kanarek.

[MHM]

@Knights_Mom

@Angela_Freda

@MHM

I don’t remember the surgeon in the trial testifying to any such thing.

In the same way I don’t remember MHG testifying to the things that KK was claiming overnight.

Or like those recordings detailing a murder plot that will blow this case wide open

They even knew, noted and posted here MB had a shovel in his truck bed.

If my life depended on it I could not tell what is in my trainers truck bed.

I may have posted this story here before. But years and years ago, I stopped to help a turtle across the street in Wellington. He was pretty big, and he was not very appreciative of my help. But I picked him up and moved him across the street anyway.

It was only an hour later that I realized I actually had a shovel in the back of my truck that would have worked perfectly for that task, instead of risking getting my fingers bitten off.

So I didn’t even remember I had a shovel in the back of my own truck! Lol.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@lazaret

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m speculating that the judge delayed the ruling on the subpoenas for another two months so that the depositions allow the Kanareks to state under oath what items exist.

That is not how this process works and there is zero possibility this is the Judge’s reasoning on this point.

A subpoena must be answered - either with a sworn statement that you do not have the information asked for or you are not of the information to answer as to whether it exists, or with the production of the requested information.

There’s no door #3 where the thing just goes unanswered and someone finds the reason elsewhere.

At this point, the judge has ruled that the current subpoenas do not need to be responded to for another two months.

In the meantime, there may be depositions in which the people deposed may be asked, under oath, whether specific items exist but have not been turned over, and whether the despondent(?) has the item.

I can imagine that if these issues are explored in depositions, the various attorneys would file motions updating their position on the subpoenas.

I could not think of an alternative explanation of why the judge would put off ruling on the compel/contempt motions. What is your interpretation of the additional two month delay?

[3PonyFarm]

@ekat, GAS filed a motion today and my phone won’t me post it.

[Kyrabee]

@smoofox

Once again Kanareks decide to post here (or on YouTube) and blow their case up again and apparently do not care. Seeker even denied saying things she is on record as saying - like transcribing those bombshell transcripts from the bombshell recordings.

I don’t get it. I am surprised any lawyer will represent Lauren (or Mom or Dad). This end around, social media scorched earth policy is not going to work. My mind is blown .
Susan

[Ghazzu]

As someone who teaches anatomy and physiology, both seals and eagles have ears.
They do not have external pinnae, though.

[CanteringCarrot]

@Ghazzu

As someone who teaches anatomy and physiology, both seals and eagles have ears.
They do not have external pinnae, though.

Hm. The more you know.

[Knights_Mom]

@Joanne

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

‘Clara’ has apparently deleted all the comments she made on the latest YT true crime analysis video about the shooting.

I don’t remember who posted Clara Dobson’sYT comments here (plus the address showing Kirby Kanarek), but thankful that they did that now that they have been deleted. Too bad the commenters there didn’t know who it was as they would have loved to interact with her.

You mean this one?

[Ghazzu]

@MorganSercu

vehemently suspected

Now there’s a great phrase…

[3PonyFarm]

Hopefully ekat can post motion soon. It looks like GAS wants to bar the defense about asking about provacation since it was asked in the trial.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Joanne

@Seeker1

Michael admitted to his psychiatrist as per his psychiatrists testimony that he got the loaded gun out of the safe and drove with it down to lauren and robs residence…

Are you referring to Dr. Moustache? The doctor DID NOT say that. Maybe you were deep in prayer at the time.

No, it wasn’t the prosecution psychiatrist, who you belittle with the label Dr Moustsche.

It was the defense psychiatrist, Simring, who said that MB got the gun out of the safe and drove with it to the residence.