Michael Barisone/Lauren Kanarek Civil Suit

[SillyHorse]

You’re not getting through to CH. No one here who sees things clearly will ever get through to CH. So what’s happening is preaching to the choir.

If we must respond, let’s simply write “Newp.”

[eggbutt]

How funny it would be for Michael Barisone to sue Currentlyhorseless for all the times she has posted “facts” that have not been proven regarding specifically how Lauren Kanarek was shot? Hmmm…that pesky video has got to be somewhere!! /s

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Some people can look at their scars and be reminded that that was the surgery that they voluntarily undertook to save their life. Others look at the scar and are reminded that an insane man tried to kill them.

But, definitely, you’re the “brave” one, VHM. (Sarcasm)

Awww. What a friendly and kind marine mammal you are!

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

Meanwhile back to the upcoming civil trial, I am very curious as to where the box of 9mm ammunition came from that was found by the safe. RC testified she did not give her box of ammunition to MB and no other weapons used 9mm ammo so who bought this and when and how did it get in the safe?

I don’t think the tactic of trying to show LK provokes people is going to work. If they say she caused MB to shoot her that sounds too much like abusive spouses telling the abused spouse “you made me do it.” It brings in a whole new aspect that doesn’t help redeem MB. Also, if people come forward to say she harassed them, they didn’t shoot her. Only MB shot her.

I think with the way MB ignored the law such as Building Code, Habitability, Repair and Deduct, Landlord/Tenant Law, Stable Lien law (or is it called Livery Lien law in New Jersey, occupancy for the barn, environmental/health laws for the barn septic system, the farm house basement egress (don’t forget @SierraMist’s excellent summation on those requirements, much more than just the old coal chute door), etc. I think the jury will be sitting there not finding anyone making good decisions but also no one deserving to be shot.

Logic dictates that since there were 2 other guns in the safe that there might be bullets too. As bullets don’t age they may have been there for a long time. Who knows? Maybe someone who owns guns put them there. Someone who discovered they had access to the office. Maybe they were planted. Who knows?

It surprises no one that you think that the fact (not a tactic, it’s a FACT) that the torts and criminal acts performed by LK and RG wouldn’t drive someone insane. Clearly the rest of the world disagrees.

MB was actively making repairs and it wasn’t just the shoddy work RG doing it. We have no idea what credentials RG pretended to have, if any.

As for the tenancy paragraph you wrote it seems to be a bunch of legal terms tossed about to seem authoritative. But it’s not. Its more like a rowdy party spaghetti thrown onto the ceiling. For instance, mentioning a stableman’s lien in this situation is like talking about the different pattern of spots among giraffe. The rest is just gurgling babble.

People who jump and attack other people bashing them in the head and punching them in the face while their dog Kujo mauls them deserve to be shot.

Your issue is that you believe the narrative that the good guy suddenly turned bad, and the people with known histories of being bad suddenly morphed into victim. I believe LK jumped MB in a raging fit and then RG jumped in and somewhere in there the gun discharged accidentally or in self defense.

No one else believes that.

We believe in likely scenarios where the good guy was forced into a situation due to the bad guys and due to the bad guys even worse stuff happened.

There it is again “deserves to be shot.” The jury, who sat there and listened to and watched everyone every day on trial found differently. Once he pulled the gun out and pointed it at her and fired, anything they did to save their own lives was self defense. RG was quite the hero. Stopped a larger man and refrained from killing him even with LK going down from her injuries.

Also, how do you know what kind of work RG did. You were not there. His work may have been excellent.

Yes if someone is trying to kill somebody and has them down on the ground beating them to the point of unconsciousness they deserve to be shot. It’s called self defense and the victim is on the ground and unable to retreat. And that’s in a scenario where MB was in possession of the gun which we do not know if that was the case.

Since Taylor didn’t allow self defense the jury found what they found even despite the evidence and major relevant facts unable to be heard.

RG is a zero and not a hero. There is nothing heroic in his history. He does nothing heroic. He couldn’t even present himself to have respect for the Court, sitting in the witness stand like Slouchy McPunkface.

Taylor allowed self defense as a defense. The defense did not offer any evidence that it was self defense, so that Taylor ruled that Bilinkas could not argue self defense in his summation

I completely see why you are not employed in any way in the field of law.

You said yourself in your reply that self defense was not allowed as an option. I bolded it for you. Then I hilighted it in a screen shot to further assist. You seem to need the help understanding your own words.

So my statement stands and is correct. Again.

1. Barisone was allowed to plead not guilty by reason of self defense.

2. If Bilinkas had any evidence that Barisone shot her in self defense, Taylor would have had to allow it.

3. No evidence of self defense was offered by Bilinkas.

4. Given 3, Taylor did not permit Bilinkas to argue a theory of self defense to the jury in his summation.

Barisone didn’t remember anything so logic dictates he could not prove or testify to self defense.

My words stand.

[clipper]

@Seeker1

My daughter was mutilated

I do empathize with you on your daughter getting shot but this is where I draw the line. If your daughter already had breast implants, IMHO, she was already mutilated.
It is a crying shame when mothers believe their daughters breasts are more important than lungs. Cry me a river already.
Do you understand body shaming?
Why are you not answering your subpoena about the transcribed tapes.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Naaah. They’re mammals. Big, fat smelly noisy nasty aquatic mammals.

I don’t know that any human would want to eat one. They’re kinda nasty.

[hut-ho78]

@lazaret

It doesn’t matter if you’re the Dalai Lama, if you say something provably false that causes harm to another person, that’s actionable.

As far as the “dragging someone into court whose life has been ruined enough” argument don’t you think that maybe now would be a very poor choice of timing to make that argument?

Except the prosecutor met the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the highest standard, that MB shot LK, the act that would have been a crime except the defense met the burden of proof by a preponderance of evidence that he was insane at the time. The shooting was the direct cause of the damage to LK’s breast. The civil trial, even without estoppel, has the lesser standard of preponderance of evidence.

[hut-ho78]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@eggbutt

@DownYonder

So I did a search on the term “mutilated” in this thread, to see how many times KK used it thus far. It sure does seem like someone used that term to describe LK’s condition, and KK pounced on it.

Since MB wasn’t the one that cut off LK’s breast, I wonder if he might have cause for legal action against KK for repeatedly libeling him on SM?

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So, apparently @Seeker1 is trying to convince anyone that her daughter was mutilated? Huh.

I am going to avoid going deep down the mastectomy rabbit hole today because…

That’s some crazy making stuff .

Here’s the thing, in my opinion, about this whole claim with respect to “mutilation.”

WHAT is @Seeker1 actually talking about? Is it the fact that LK now has scars from surgery/ies on her chest and abdomen? The fact that her breasts are a little uneven? Is it that Lauren has a large scar on one breast where a sizable portion of tissue was removed as part of the surgery, and cleaning up the area after the implant ruptured?

I’m guessing she won’t give a specific, factual answer… so I am just laying out the possibilities of what this “mutilation” claim she keeps referencing might involve. In the past, I do SPECIFICALLY remember Lauren saying - either in an interview or during questioning at trial - that she “looked like Frankenstein” after the shooting.

Bluntly… I think using the word “mutilated” or saying that LK “looks like Frankenstein” … well… both are a bit of hyperbole, IMO, if we are talking about chest and abdomen scars.

Did LK have a very serious surgery and almost died? Yes. She definitely did. Does she have scars on her chest and abdomen now? Yes. I’m sure she does.

But let’s pause and consider how many people over the age of 40 have scars on their chest and abdomen. Breast cancer like myself and multiple others on this thread have referenced? Yeah. People have scars after going through it. Breast Cancer is ubiquitous. A huge number of women in our society have faced it. An even larger number of women have been through lumpectomy for benign masses. Lumpectomy can leave really nasty scars. And then, we have to consider all the people in society who have had heart surgery of some kind, and have a scar on their chests afterwards. That’s not a small number either. Heart disease is also an ubiquitous health issue in people over a certain age. And then, we can pause and consider the large number of women out there with a long abdominal scar after delivering a child via c-section. That’s not a small number either.

Of course there are plenty of other health concerns that can result in scars on the breast, chest and abdomen… but those are some of the most common reasons I could think of that people have these sort of scars. Maybe lung conditions and lung cancer should be included as well… I am not knowledgeable on how common lung cancer is in the general population though.

Is it common for people who have been through these issues to harp on how they were “mutilated” and how they “look like Frankenstein?” No. It’s not common. That’s an extreme mindset to take when talking about scars.

Again… I am not trying to say that Lauren didn’t suffer a serious life threatening injury, and that the surgery wasn’t significant. Of course it was! But… this choice to use hyperbole and harp on how upsetting the resulting scars are? It’s… an odd choice.

As far as the legal case goes… I guess if she had a thriving career as a fashion or swimsuit model, or if she worked in another field where having a “perfect” body was a key professional necessity… she could sue for loss of income related to these scars. But… as best we know… she doesn’t do work like that. So, her scars are upsetting. But not life threatening anymore, nor career limiting.

As others have said… maybe pursuing counseling to deal with this is the most appropriate thing she could do in order to move forward emotionally at this point. I guess that will be investigated as well during the civil litigation process, however, once they get into the discovery phase involving documentation of medical, psychological and emotional harm.

Some people can look at their scars and be reminded that that was the surgery that they voluntarily undertook to save their life. Others look at the scar and are reminded that an insane man tried to kill them.

But, definitely, you’re the “brave” one, VHM. (Sarcasm)

You nailed it.

[jaj]

Crass and, by your measure, classless.

[Graymaresrule]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@eggbutt

@DownYonder

So I did a search on the term “mutilated” in this thread, to see how many times KK used it thus far. It sure does seem like someone used that term to describe LK’s condition, and KK pounced on it.

Since MB wasn’t the one that cut off LK’s breast, I wonder if he might have cause for legal action against KK for repeatedly libeling him on SM?

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So, apparently @Seeker1 is trying to convince anyone that her daughter was mutilated? Huh.

I am going to avoid going deep down the mastectomy rabbit hole today because…

That’s some crazy making stuff .

Here’s the thing, in my opinion, about this whole claim with respect to “mutilation.”

WHAT is @Seeker1 actually talking about? Is it the fact that LK now has scars from surgery/ies on her chest and abdomen? The fact that her breasts are a little uneven? Is it that Lauren has a large scar on one breast where a sizable portion of tissue was removed as part of the surgery, and cleaning up the area after the implant ruptured?

I’m guessing she won’t give a specific, factual answer… so I am just laying out the possibilities of what this “mutilation” claim she keeps referencing might involve. In the past, I do SPECIFICALLY remember Lauren saying - either in an interview or during questioning at trial - that she “looked like Frankenstein” after the shooting.

Bluntly… I think using the word “mutilated” or saying that LK “looks like Frankenstein” … well… both are a bit of hyperbole, IMO, if we are talking about chest and abdomen scars.

Did LK have a very serious surgery and almost died? Yes. She definitely did. Does she have scars on her chest and abdomen now? Yes. I’m sure she does.

But let’s pause and consider how many people over the age of 40 have scars on their chest and abdomen. Breast cancer like myself and multiple others on this thread have referenced? Yeah. People have scars after going through it. Breast Cancer is ubiquitous. A huge number of women in our society have faced it. An even larger number of women have been through lumpectomy for benign masses. Lumpectomy can leave really nasty scars. And then, we have to consider all the people in society who have had heart surgery of some kind, and have a scar on their chests afterwards. That’s not a small number either. Heart disease is also an ubiquitous health issue in people over a certain age. And then, we can pause and consider the large number of women out there with a long abdominal scar after delivering a child via c-section. That’s not a small number either.

Of course there are plenty of other health concerns that can result in scars on the breast, chest and abdomen… but those are some of the most common reasons I could think of that people have these sort of scars. Maybe lung conditions and lung cancer should be included as well… I am not knowledgeable on how common lung cancer is in the general population though.

Is it common for people who have been through these issues to harp on how they were “mutilated” and how they “look like Frankenstein?” No. It’s not common. That’s an extreme mindset to take when talking about scars.

Again… I am not trying to say that Lauren didn’t suffer a serious life threatening injury, and that the surgery wasn’t significant. Of course it was! But… this choice to use hyperbole and harp on how upsetting the resulting scars are? It’s… an odd choice.

As far as the legal case goes… I guess if she had a thriving career as a fashion or swimsuit model, or if she worked in another field where having a “perfect” body was a key professional necessity… she could sue for loss of income related to these scars. But… as best we know… she doesn’t do work like that. So, her scars are upsetting. But not life threatening anymore, nor career limiting.

As others have said… maybe pursuing counseling to deal with this is the most appropriate thing she could do in order to move forward emotionally at this point. I guess that will be investigated as well during the civil litigation process, however, once they get into the discovery phase involving documentation of medical, psychological and emotional harm.

Some people can look at their scars and be reminded that that was the surgery that they voluntarily undertook to save their life. Others look at the scar and are reminded that an insane man tried to kill them.

But, definitely, you’re the “brave” one, VHM. (Sarcasm)

Or we can look at our scars and think “I did what I had to do and I survived”

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@CurrentlyHorseless

Some people can look at their scars and be reminded that that was the surgery that they voluntarily undertook to save their life. Others look at the scar and are reminded that an insane man tried to kill them.

But, definitely, you’re the “brave” one, VHM. (Sarcasm)

You nailed it.

Tell me, oh wise ones…

If a woman has to “choose” to undergo surgery to remove both her breasts in order to have ANY chance of surviving a medical diagnosis…

And she really wants to live, because she has two VERY small children (not even in kindergarten yet) who will be left to grow up without any mother…

Is that surgery really “voluntary” ?

But by all means, continue with the sarcastic comments if you want. You two certainly reveal quite a bit about yourselves in terms of character and intellect with this particular bit of nonsense.

[Davignport]

Just imagine, for a minute. how many less posts this thread would have if there were two less posters here. You probably would not have to catch up on “hundreds” of the same old, same old gibberish regaling how wonderful the K Klan is and how we are all “out to get them”. Why do they not take their bitching and griping over to the discussions on YT or Law and Crime. See how that would go. Lots of new people to regale with the wonderful tales of the K Klan. .

[CanteringCarrot]

One can choose to look at their scars in various ways. One could choose “someone tried to kill me” or one could choose, “wow, look at what I survived, I was shot twice and here I am living a good life, I’m pretty amazing and so is my body for surviving that” it’s all about outlook and perspective…and perhaps what fits your narrative, eh?

As for mocking people re their bravery and what they’ve been through re cancer specifically, well, that’s just trash. [Edit]

My edit: Oh come on, of all things to edit on these threads!

[Maria]

@CurrentlyHorseless

But, definitely, you’re the “brave” one, VHM. (Sarcasm)

That was low.

You do realize that VHM is a cancer survivor, doncha?

[CanteringCarrot]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@hut-ho78

@CurrentlyHorseless

Some people can look at their scars and be reminded that that was the surgery that they voluntarily undertook to save their life. Others look at the scar and are reminded that an insane man tried to kill them.

But, definitely, you’re the “brave” one, VHM. (Sarcasm)

You nailed it.

Tell me, oh wise ones…

If a woman has to “choose” to undergo surgery to remove both her breasts in order to have ANY chance of surviving a medical diagnosis…

And she really wants to live, because she has two VERY small children (not even in kindergarten yet) who will be left to grow up without any mother…

Is that surgery really “voluntary” ?

But by all means, continue with the sarcastic comments if you want. You two certainly reveal quite a bit about yourselves in terms of character and intellect with this particular bit of nonsense.

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Says a lot about their character, eh? I mean, given who they vehemently support, I am not shocked in the least, but this is a bit of a new low, so to speak, but I’ve noticed that, the tone gets more and more nastay, when I do see it.

[eggbutt]

Hmmmm, I recall a time when ear piercing and other body piercings as well as tattoos were considered mutilation. So breast augmentation is not considered mutilation?

I’m so sorry Kirby can’t find any reasonable excuse for her daughter and husband’s behavior other than finding absurd things to ramble on about. She knows her family’s actions can’t be defended anytime or anyplace by anyone. Logic would tell a normal human to keep their head down and stay quiet to not attract attention to their foolishness posting on a public forum!

[Seeker1]

You should feel embarrassment for your own bad behaviour. One day, when you mature, perhaps you will. btw maturity isn’t about age.

[Seeker1]

and you think you are normal?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Honestly… they are both smart enough to be above this sort of stupidity.

Maybe they just really hate all the Lollypop jokes I have made on the forums, and feel like making sarcastic comments about bilateral mastectomy due to breast cancer is an appropriate retort.

[CanteringCarrot]

@Seeker1

You should feel embarrassment for your own bad behaviour. One day, when you mature, perhaps you will. btw maturity isn’t about age.

Can you tell me about my own bad behavior please? Or is this a baseless claim? I’d love to hear more about my own bad behavior or what you determine is “bad behavior” anyway.

I also know maturity isn’t about age. I’m not sure why you think that I don’t know that, especially given what I said in my post. Misunderstandings happen to the best of us