Michael Barisone/Lauren Kanarek Civil Suit

[Warmblood1]

@Inigo-montoya

Yes….the same Ruth Cox who MHG testified at trial slept in the barn outside her horse’s stall way before she ever met LK. The same Ruth Cox about whom Barisone told MHG to tell to stop sleeping in the effing barn.
That Ruth Cox!
Did you miss the trial or are you calling MHG a liar?

Do you or your family members accept a morsel of responsibility in this situation?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

If you have the actual audios, which are the original source, what is the purpose of the unofficial transcripts of the audios?

@CurrentlyHorseless, this is a very sincere question.

Why do you re-ask questions that you have asked so many times and we have answered so many times?
I can not think of a good reason, so I am asking you to clarify it.

If you are being sincere, please respond to my post #1176.

I will bump it for you, @trubandloki

Oh @CurrentlyHorseless, I would not want to interfere in a conversation you were having with someone else. I know how you get when others answer questions not addressed to them.
Thank you for considering me worthy but, sorry, that is between you and another poster.

So please, answer my question now, ya know, the conversation we are having.

Others answering questions not addressed to them doesn’t bother me at all. I’ve never complained about it. It’s a discussion board. Perhaps you are confusing me with @Virginia_Horse_Mom.

The post I bumped for you does answer your question, @trubandloki.

[ohnoO]

@hut-ho78

Stressors. The settlement to the divorce happened in the middle of this. Money loss. Income loss (VK). Business manager loss (VK). He credited VK for making his training and clinics possible because she took care of everything else. Someday, MHG might have been able to fill those shoes but not yet. She did not contribute to income. It was all on MB. Even RC testified to that. 8-9 concussions. Child abuse. Per google, he is very wealthy though the lawyers are eating through that. Cash flow for bills on hand was the challenge. How many clients left with VK? He kept most of the horses but that was an expense. MHG’s horses were an expense.

He had staff, clients, horses, facilities, freeze damage. Stress. Stressors

Seems there are several reasons here that should have been clues to the KKlan to leave him the hell alone!

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

Those of y’all saying $250K is insurance nuisance settlement are not taking into account that insurance companies don’t insure for crimes. Once she violated N J laws when she crossed the state line, coverage likely stopped. Then she willingly gave her gun to a man who then used it within a couple of days to commit an act that would have been a crime except he was insane at the time.

That was likely her money. It would not have been chump change to her.

Add to that what could happen to her license to practice her profession and her legal defense fees. She dedicated her life to helping people and got it so wrong in this instance.

Her testimony made it clear that though she carried the handgun for protection she would not have been able to access and load the weapon in a timely manner while being attacked.

Another tragic outcome.

This kind of disagrees with what @Inigo-montoya (Jonathan Kanarek) said. He said that RC did not pay for any attorney fees for her case, so that leaves either the attorney worked for free, Jonathan Kanarek covered them, or it was paid for by her insurance.

Oh, and the fact that Jonathan Kanarek said outright that it was the insurance paying.

With respect to SGF, I took the position that it was SGFs insurance company that was paying for the SGF defense lawyers, and people seemed to disagree with me.

But apparently with RC, it was her insurance company that was paying her lawyers and paying her settlement.

Do you think RC had liability insurance and SGF did not?

[trubandloki]

Hey @Inigo-montoya (Jonathan Kanarek) since you are here and posting, do you want to discuss the texts from the latest filing? They do not make you look very good. They also do not make your daughter, Lauren Kanarek, look very good.

Also, why did you think it was OK to one by one have the whole family discuss the upcoming trial with someone from the other side (Mr. Tarshis)?

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

Those of y’all saying $250K is insurance nuisance settlement are not taking into account that insurance companies don’t insure for crimes. Once she violated N J laws when she crossed the state line, coverage likely stopped. Then she willingly gave her gun to a man who then used it within a couple of days to commit an act that would have been a crime except he was insane at the time.

That was likely her money. It would not have been chump change to her.

Add to that what could happen to her license to practice her profession and her legal defense fees. She dedicated her life to helping people and got it so wrong in this instance.

Her testimony made it clear that though she carried the handgun for protection she would not have been able to access and load the weapon in a timely manner while being attacked.

Another tragic outcome.

This kind of disagrees with what @Inigo-montoya (Jonathan Kanarek) said. He said that RC did not pay for any attorney fees for her case, so that leaves either the attorney worked for free, Jonathan Kanarek covered them, or it was paid for by her insurance.

Oh, and the fact that Jonathan Kanarek said outright that it was the insurance paying.

With respect to SGF, I took the position that it was SGFs insurance company that was paying for the SGF defense lawyers, and people seemed to disagree with me.

But apparently with RC, it was her insurance company that was paying her lawyers and paying her settlement.

Do you think RC had liability insurance and SGF did not?

I am only going on what idol (I know, you don’t use that word, but it works, it really works) has said.
The court paperwork says that SGF is not using insurance for whatever reason. @Inigo-montoya says that RC used her insurance.

Maybe SGF did not want to settle and their insurance said they were going to settle and SGF said they would pay for a defense instead of settling. Who knows. I certainly don’t. I am not going to make a leap like you are.

Maybe your friend Jonathan Kanarek (@Inigo-montoya) , who claims to know everything, can explain that for you since he is here posting.

[BigMama1]

Oh hey @Inigo-montoya since you’re back, would you mind answering some questions?

1. How come Lauren refused to leave the farm when you and Michael and the lawyers went to such trouble arranging a place for her and her horses to train just down the road a ways?

2. Why haven’t you and @Seeker1 instructed your own lawyers to respond properly to your subpoenas, instead of ignoring them / having Lauren’s lawyers respond?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

Those of y’all saying $250K is insurance nuisance settlement are not taking into account that insurance companies don’t insure for crimes. Once she violated N J laws when she crossed the state line, coverage likely stopped. Then she willingly gave her gun to a man who then used it within a couple of days to commit an act that would have been a crime except he was insane at the time.

That was likely her money. It would not have been chump change to her.

Add to that what could happen to her license to practice her profession and her legal defense fees. She dedicated her life to helping people and got it so wrong in this instance.

Her testimony made it clear that though she carried the handgun for protection she would not have been able to access and load the weapon in a timely manner while being attacked.

Another tragic outcome.

This kind of disagrees with what @Inigo-montoya (Jonathan Kanarek) said. He said that RC did not pay for any attorney fees for her case, so that leaves either the attorney worked for free, Jonathan Kanarek covered them, or it was paid for by her insurance.

Oh, and the fact that Jonathan Kanarek said outright that it was the insurance paying.

With respect to SGF, I took the position that it was SGFs insurance company that was paying for the SGF defense lawyers, and people seemed to disagree with me.

But apparently with RC, it was her insurance company that was paying her lawyers and paying her settlement.

Do you think RC had liability insurance and SGF did not?

I am only going on what idol (I know, you don’t use that word, but it works, it really works) has said.
The court paperwork says that SGF is not using insurance for whatever reason. @Inigo-montoya says that RC used her insurance.

Maybe SGF did not want to settle and their insurance said they were going to settle and SGF said they would pay for a defense instead of settling. Who knows. I certainly don’t. I am not going to make a leap like you are.

Maybe your friend Jonathan Kanarek (@Inigo-montoya) , who claims to know everything, can explain that for you since he is here posting.

IM is not my idol. I have no idols.

I think you have interpreted the “court paperwork” incorrectly.

I think it is extremely unlikely that SGF did not have liability insurance. The role of the liability insurance is to defend against the claim, settle, or pay the court ordered award.

[hut-ho78]

Choices for third parties who receive subpoenas from the defense for civil trials include contacting the plaintiff for the plaintiff to squash the motion. The example on that article included professions such as CPA where private data is stored.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

Those of y’all saying $250K is insurance nuisance settlement are not taking into account that insurance companies don’t insure for crimes. Once she violated N J laws when she crossed the state line, coverage likely stopped. Then she willingly gave her gun to a man who then used it within a couple of days to commit an act that would have been a crime except he was insane at the time.

That was likely her money. It would not have been chump change to her.

Add to that what could happen to her license to practice her profession and her legal defense fees. She dedicated her life to helping people and got it so wrong in this instance.

Her testimony made it clear that though she carried the handgun for protection she would not have been able to access and load the weapon in a timely manner while being attacked.

Another tragic outcome.

This kind of disagrees with what @Inigo-montoya (Jonathan Kanarek) said. He said that RC did not pay for any attorney fees for her case, so that leaves either the attorney worked for free, Jonathan Kanarek covered them, or it was paid for by her insurance.

Oh, and the fact that Jonathan Kanarek said outright that it was the insurance paying.

With respect to SGF, I took the position that it was SGFs insurance company that was paying for the SGF defense lawyers, and people seemed to disagree with me.

But apparently with RC, it was her insurance company that was paying her lawyers and paying her settlement.

Do you think RC had liability insurance and SGF did not?

I am only going on what idol (I know, you don’t use that word, but it works, it really works) has said.
The court paperwork says that SGF is not using insurance for whatever reason. @Inigo-montoya says that RC used her insurance.

Maybe SGF did not want to settle and their insurance said they were going to settle and SGF said they would pay for a defense instead of settling. Who knows. I certainly don’t. I am not going to make a leap like you are.

Maybe your friend Jonathan Kanarek (@Inigo-montoya) , who claims to know everything, can explain that for you since he is here posting.

IM is not my idol. I have no idols.

I think you have interpreted the “court paperwork” incorrectly.

I think it is extremely unlikely that SGF did not have liability insurance. The role of the liability insurance is to defend against the claim, settle, or pay the court ordered award.

What “court Paperwork” am I incorrectly interpreting?

This piece where it says there is no insurance involved in the case?

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

Choices for third parties who receive subpoenas from the defense for civil trials include contacting the plaintiff for the plaintiff to squash the motion. The example on that article included professions such as CPA where private data is stored.

Are you referring to an article you posted previously?

[Warmblood1]

So what’s caused HH, CH and IM to have such active participation in this thread over the past day or so? Im having a hard time believing they are merely here to engage in pleasant conversation amongst friends.

[jvanrens]

@I_dratherbe

Judge Sceusi (sp?) did not totally quash the first subpoenas. He said they were overbroad and sent the defendants back to issue new subpoenas that were more narrow, which they did. And he gave LK’s parents 10 days to respond to those new subpoenas, which they did not. Now, way after the deadline to respond to those subpoenas, instead of objecting to any individual request for documents that the plaintiff (not here parents) feels is overbroad and stating why that particular request is overbroad (which in my experience would be the normal way of doing this), the plaintiff is once again trying to quash the entire subpoena and not have anything produced.

Thank you for responding to this! I’m “hours” behind and was waiting for some one to remind certain people of this fact, especially since their remembrances were missing certain facts.

[I_dratherbe]

You are welcome!

[Sdel]

@omare

(I know now everyone is rooting for MB, but how many people have borderline people in our life that could be capable of violence and a possible claim of insanity-how much responsibility do the rest of us have to take for their actions?)

Everyone has the responsibility to refrain from purposely harassing, provoking, taunting, and tortuously interfering with any other member of society’s life, relationships, and livelihoods. If Michael was doing something wrong, the she went about taking action against that the WRONG way. That IS on her and she gets to own the consequences.

[arktos19]

@MHM

Ditto! Lol.

For a change I was aware of the IM temper tantrum and saved screenshots before the edit

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

Those of y’all saying $250K is insurance nuisance settlement are not taking into account that insurance companies don’t insure for crimes. Once she violated N J laws when she crossed the state line, coverage likely stopped. Then she willingly gave her gun to a man who then used it within a couple of days to commit an act that would have been a crime except he was insane at the time.

That was likely her money. It would not have been chump change to her.

Add to that what could happen to her license to practice her profession and her legal defense fees. She dedicated her life to helping people and got it so wrong in this instance.

Her testimony made it clear that though she carried the handgun for protection she would not have been able to access and load the weapon in a timely manner while being attacked.

Another tragic outcome.

It’s a nuisance settlement.

[Sdel]

@Warmblood1

So what’s caused HH, CH and IM to have such active participation in this thread over the past day or so? Im having a hard time believing they are merely here to engage in pleasant conversation amongst friends.

My guess is that GAS saw that response and started digging into the discovery on his own. Before that, he probably wasn’t very independently aware of the facts.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

Those of y’all saying $250K is insurance nuisance settlement are not taking into account that insurance companies don’t insure for crimes. Once she violated N J laws when she crossed the state line, coverage likely stopped. Then she willingly gave her gun to a man who then used it within a couple of days to commit an act that would have been a crime except he was insane at the time.

That was likely her money. It would not have been chump change to her.

Add to that what could happen to her license to practice her profession and her legal defense fees. She dedicated her life to helping people and got it so wrong in this instance.

Her testimony made it clear that though she carried the handgun for protection she would not have been able to access and load the weapon in a timely manner while being attacked.

Another tragic outcome.

This kind of disagrees with what @Inigo-montoya (Jonathan Kanarek) said. He said that RC did not pay for any attorney fees for her case, so that leaves either the attorney worked for free, Jonathan Kanarek covered them, or it was paid for by her insurance.

Oh, and the fact that Jonathan Kanarek said outright that it was the insurance paying.

With respect to SGF, I took the position that it was SGFs insurance company that was paying for the SGF defense lawyers, and people seemed to disagree with me.

But apparently with RC, it was her insurance company that was paying her lawyers and paying her settlement.

Do you think RC had liability insurance and SGF did not?

I am only going on what idol (I know, you don’t use that word, but it works, it really works) has said.
The court paperwork says that SGF is not using insurance for whatever reason. @Inigo-montoya says that RC used her insurance.

Maybe SGF did not want to settle and their insurance said they were going to settle and SGF said they would pay for a defense instead of settling. Who knows. I certainly don’t. I am not going to make a leap like you are.

Maybe your friend Jonathan Kanarek (@Inigo-montoya) , who claims to know everything, can explain that for you since he is here posting.

IM is not my idol. I have no idols.

I think you have interpreted the “court paperwork” incorrectly.

I think it is extremely unlikely that SGF did not have liability insurance. The role of the liability insurance is to defend against the claim, settle, or pay the court ordered award.

What “court Paperwork” am I incorrectly interpreting?

This piece where it says there is no insurance involved in the case?

Yep. That’s the one.

[Unfforgettable]

@Inigo-montoya

Yes….the same Ruth Cox who MHG testified at trial slept in the barn outside her horse’s stall way before she ever met LK. The same Ruth Cox about whom Barisone told MHG to tell to stop sleeping in the effing barn.
That Ruth Cox!
Did you miss the trial or are you calling MHG a liar?

Neither.