Michael Barisone

No, you’re the armchair lawyer. He cannot be charged with a felony without a preliminary hearing which takes place after an arraignment. No facts of the case are considered at a felony arraignment, only the detention status of the defendant. Charges are considered pending until bound over to criminal court on determination of a judge or grand jury at which point the defendant is formally charged with a crime by the magistrate judge or grand jury.

What a journalist publishes is not necessarily legal fact.

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Yes, and I beleive, soloudinhere, love your handle, btw, that the preliminary hearing was supposed to be Nov 4 but somehow never happened? My understanding his charges are in the considered pending phase of things and he hasn’t had the formal charge yet? could be wrong, but I think that’s it.

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Yes, that’s it… I think. I couldn’t remember exactly the goings on, but I knew something was supposed to happen.

I also thought there was chatter about the state of NJ only having 90 days or something like that, hence the early November date.

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Maybe the delay has something to do with the change of his attorney(s).

Hmm, I wonder. Maybe they asked for a bit more time. Or, maybe the prosecutor and detectives are still gathering their data from the people involved, or aware of the situation, so they can be clear, and not surprised by unresearched informtiaon, about what exactly happened. And aren’t all that sure what the charges actually should be. I wouldn’t be surprised if once they spoke with MB’s girlfriend, the barn manager, the social workers from the false child abuse report, the people at Safe Sport (where MB was filing a report on LK), a whole host of horse professionals, and probably LK’s boyfriend, too, all who may have some input on one party or the other party, etc, if the picture isn’t quite as clear cut at they originally thought.

I have no idea. I;m just wondering if there isn’t a reason for the delay in the arraignment.

I mean, you wouldn’t want to make any charges that wouldn’t stick. They have to be the right charges.

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This discussion got me wondering: Justifiable homicide is a thing. Is justifiable attempted homicide a thing? To be clear, I’m not saying that I think it would apply in the situation that is the subject of the thread. It’s just a question that popped into my head.

Mitigating circumstances can always be considered, in many phases of trial. A prosecutor may consider them when deciding what charges to file. A grand jury or magistrate judge might consider them when determining to hold over to trial. A jury may consider them (in particular circumstances, depending on your state) when delivering a verdict or returning a lesser charge. And finally they can be considered in the penalty phase.

Trial is not nearly as simple as it seems on TV. It’s entirely possible this will never go to trial, though it is probably fairly likely to be held over. A plea can be entered at any time on agreement between the district attorney and the defendants counsel.
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Realistically, it could be years before even the criminal complaint is resolved. I would guess that due to change in attorney, a continuation was requested to allow the new attorney time to prepare because anything that is presented as evidence to the grand jury is subject to discovery and witnesses are subject to deposition. The defendant does not present evidence to a grand jury and almost never testifies (because to do so would be to waive the 5th amendment right), so this is critical to the defendants defense because it exposes the prosecution’s case against him.

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Yes, I had been thinking things like this. Nice illumination of processes, thank you.

I wondered what would happen if the prosecution found they didn’t have evidence for outright attempted murder, if they would make a plea. The whole thing appears complicated. This does not look straight forward at all.

Apparently, according to LK, the COTH article “Enough: A SafeSport Perspective From the In-Gate” was mostly about MB and only partly about George Morris. I’m highly confused, I was pretty sure it was mostly about Rob Gage GM and SafeSport.

Link for those who don’t know what I’m talking about:
https://www.chronofhorse.com/article…om-the-in-gate

Well, considering the source, I’m not likely to be convinced.

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What in the hell would that article have to do with MB? LOL.

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A defendant CAN waive his right to speedy trial.

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The prosecution MAY be able to change the charges in light of the arraignment not yet occurring. Were I a betting gal, I’d bet they are working on a plea bargain. But I’m not familiar with how Joisey does their criminal court business.

But in Manhattan, that would be the safe bet.

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From a NJ criminal defense attorney web page. Done very differently from my state’s procedure: [h=2]What Does a New Jersey Grand Jury Do?[/h]
A grand jury seated in New Jersey hears evidence presented by a local prosecutor about alleged crimes in the county where the jury sits. Grand jurors determine whether there is sufficient evidence to move forward with criminal charges against a defendant.

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Grand juries hear evidence about indictable offenses, which are more serious crimes. They are sometimes referred to as felonies, though New Jersey law does not use that term. Indictable offenses are tried in Superior Court. Minor crimes, known as disorderly persons offenses or petty disorderly persons offenses, are heard in municipal courts and do not involve grand juries.

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A grand jury may decide there is sufficient evidence to formally charge the defendant and require him to respond to the charges. This is known as returning a true bill of indictment, or indicting the defendant. An indictment is not a finding of guilt or a conviction.

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A majority of grand jury members–12 or more people–must vote to return a true bill of indictment. [h=2]A Grand Jury Is the Prosecutor’s Indictment Tool[/h]
The problem a grand jury poses for the defendant is that the defendant typically does not appear before a grand jury. The defendant’s attorney is not present, either. Their side of the story is not heard.

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In most cases, the prosecutor has the Grand Jury all to his or herself. The proceedings of a grand jury are kept secret. Members and staff take an oath of secrecy.

The old saying is that a prosecutor can have a ham sandwich indicted if he wants to. In truth, a prosecutor has no reason to take a case to the Grand Jury unless he or she is confident of obtaining an indictment.

If it was up to you what evidence and witness testimony a grand jury heard, do you think you could get jurors to see things your way? [h=2]Hire an Attorney Before a Grand Jury Hears Your Case[/h]
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Remind me not to do anything criminal in New Jersey. Yikes.

But you’re right - I would imagine they are working on a plea of some kind. There are a lot of nebulous areas to this case - not simply he said/she said.

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That was informative, but it’s also an ad for that attorney.

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Isn’t Safe Sport designed mostly to protect minors in all sports, not specifically equine sports? And if it was indeed to protect minors, isn’t LK getting a little long in the tooth to think it has anything at all to do with her?

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I believe it is not exclusively for minors. It could also apply to an adult when there is a power imbalance, for example, between a trainer and an adult working student. But since it does cover all sports, and the safe sport system seems to be swamped, they may be focusing mostly on cases involving minors at the moment.

That is not to say that any part of it has anything to do with LK.

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Safesport in this situation wasn’t about MB except that I thought MB started a case against LK with safesport, and that was why she retaliated by calling in a fake call to Child Services on MB, which created the situation where she was shot. As far as I know, there never was a case with Safe Sport about MB. Lk on the otherhand, had been acting out and wouldn’t leave his property, ergo the eviction process he started and the safesport documentation he was doing.

I wouldn’t believe most of what LK says.

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That’s not correct. It only and exclusively applies to protecting minors. An adult/adult power imbalance situation is never mentioned in the training. I agree it’s an abusive/misconduct situation but safesport is concerned only with protecting youth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Center_for_SafeSport