Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[cutter99]

@SierraMist

@smoofox

@SierraMist

. You didn’t see any of his friends in the horse industry jump all in to manage his affairs and his farm.

Ummm… what? Just because YOU did not see any of that, does not mean it did not happen or is not happening.

LO wrote in gofundme: “People that know me know that I am mostly a private person, but I feel like it is time for me to speak. The past 2 and a half years have been the hardest of my life, and I have not had the easiest life prior to that! [vulnerable]
I stepped up to help a friend in need when others ran away.[no one else is stepping up] Over time, that friendship grew into much more. I am proud to say that Michael Barisone is my best friend and my life partner.” [fantasy relationship]

Funny you take that as vulnerable. Many of us take that as strong.

[eggbutt]

By the way, has there been any progress on the law suit against ABC 48 Hours? Is GAS coordinating that effort or is one of the white shoe, black socks, top hat and tails international top two law firms handling that case for the princess bride? Will she get out of her lounge chair to attend a speed dial zoom meeting with appropriate lighting and professional makeup?

Speaking of which, I’d love to see more “how to communicate with horses by Lauren Kanarek”. Those initial tidbits were doosies to say the least. Halt & bow, right? Are there episodes on sit, whinny, nicker, self bridling, etc?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@eggbutt

This is one of the more ludicrous posts ever made on these threads. These new assumptions are fascinating after all these years. There is obviously a tactic to elicit some reaction from insiders, or even LO or MB themselves. Personally, I believe they won’t stoop to any recognition.

Of course, those who are close to and friends of grifters, can only imagine relationships based on taking advantage of others. Quite sad really. Water usually seeks its own level.

Actually, I have in the past questioned the sanity of RG for playing the Kanarek game…for what? Drugs? A small allowance? What? Surely it can’t be sexual. We all realize LK is unable to function independently, whether mentally, physically, or financially so she actually requires a keeper. What a pathetic arrangement. Imagine being satisfied with this life. I speculate the money, and control, is running out.

Very insightful.

Water does indeed seek its own level. One thing is for sure about LK and RG…

Neither of them has any shame. None. Who knows what the relationship is based upon these days… but one thing is for sure… trying to smear and shame them will not have any impact or pry them apart.

MB and LO, on the other hand, are two people who have spent years moving amongst the upper levels of the dressage community, and both have many longstanding friendships and connections with polite society (unlike LK and RG). So I guess team Kanarek feels that this public attempt to push a narrative that LO has mental issues that in some way resemble hybristophilia will prove sufficiently embarrassing and painful, that it will drive a wedge between the two.

Oh well. The crowd here on COTH sees this for what it is, and is calling it out.

Hopefully team Kanarek will regroup, and focus more intensely on how best to:

1. Handle the discovery and all the related outstanding subpoenas
2. Prepare Lollypop for her deposition

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@cutter99

The fact you felt the need to come after LO, and degrade another woman while waving a false flag of caring and concern shows how ugly you are @SierraMist.

I love the smell of desperation in the morning. LK never counted on Michael Barisone having someone stand by him like LO and others, did she???

This. You nailed it.

[Knights_Mom]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

You know… I think the recent turn of conversation on this thread this AM is actually a positive one, and might result in a public service of some kind or another.

In all reality, it probably is a good thing for every single farm and dressage professional in the greater Loxahatchee/Wellington area to know EXACTLY how much insurance and what sort of policies they should have before doing ANY business with LK. After all, you never know when LK might, slip, fall, or engage in other high risk behavior that results in substantial harm to herself… that she then demands financial compensation for.

It’s good for everyone to be well educated and prepared when interacting with this sort of client for any reason. You never know what might happen.

For sure. Because it could be argued that if she were at a farm, and that farm knew she had sustained injuries, then if she should fall that farm could be sued for not taking ADDITIONAL precautions for her knowing she has physical deficits and history.

That farm should have HUGE policies and an ironclad , steel, concrete, plutonium hold harmless inherent risk waiver signed by her.

[Knights_Mom]

@SierraMist

@smoofox

@SierraMist

. You didn’t see any of his friends in the horse industry jump all in to manage his affairs and his farm.

Ummm… what? Just because YOU did not see any of that, does not mean it did not happen or is not happening.

LO wrote in gofundme: “People that know me know that I am mostly a private person, but I feel like it is time for me to speak. The past 2 and a half years have been the hardest of my life, and I have not had the easiest life prior to that! [vulnerable]
I stepped up to help a friend in need when others ran away.[no one else is stepping up] Over time, that friendship grew into much more. I am proud to say that Michael Barisone is my best friend and my life partner.” [fantasy relationship]

This is a very creepy post.

[smoofox]

@SierraMist

@DownYonder

Every time I think the K-Klan and their minions can’t sink any lower, one of them proves me wrong. Seems everyone affiliated with that bunch is a nasty piece of work.

I’m not affiliated nor a minion. I simply don’t buy into the popular narrative here that MB is faultless. He has a responsibility for things that occurred as well as others there, including LK.

Where has anyone maintained that??? Where?? Kindly find a post in any of these threads that says that.

@SierraMist

@smoofox

@SierraMist

. You didn’t see any of his friends in the horse industry jump all in to manage his affairs and his farm.

Ummm… what? Just because YOU did not see any of that, does not mean it did not happen or is not happening.

LO wrote in gofundme: “People that know me know that I am mostly a private person, but I feel like it is time for me to speak. The past 2 and a half years have been the hardest of my life, and I have not had the easiest life prior to that! [vulnerable]
I stepped up to help a friend in need when others ran away.[no one else is stepping up] Over time, that friendship grew into much more. I am proud to say that Michael Barisone is my best friend and my life partner.” [fantasy relationship]

Your [fancy interpretative] brackets are only showing what you want her to be saying. She said others ran away - it does not say everyone. If you actually think she has not had support and help from others during this mess… well, I will let you [degree in psychiatry] wallow in that particular fantasy.

@eggbutt

Actually, I have in the past questioned the sanity of RG for playing the Kanarek game…for what?

3 hots and a cot? An allowance of some kind? Job security? Love? Only RG knows for sure.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Knights_Mom

For sure. Because it could be argued that if she were at a farm, and that farm knew she had sustained injuries, then if she should fall that farm could be sued for not taking ADDITIONAL precautions for her knowing she has physical deficits and history.

That farm should have HUGE policies and an ironclad , steel, concrete, plutonium hold harmless inherent risk waiver signed by her.

Yes.

Also, it seems like the standard business practice involving trainers setting up LLCs for their businesses, and farms operating as an LLC … well … Lollypop doesn’t consider that adequate coverage, and will indeed try and sue people personally should anything happen to her at a place where she boards, trains, or rents living spaces accommodations.

I hope everyone in the Loxahatchee/Wellington area who is currently (or contemplating) doing business with her takes note of this. Perhaps a way to mitigate the risk posed by a client like this is to charge them an appropriate risk premium that reflects the added expense of all the all the additional liability coverage people Lollypop does business with are expected to have.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@smoofox

3 hots and a cot? An allowance of some kind? Job security? Love? Only RG knows for sure.

Sex drugs and rock and roll.

[Knights_Mom]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@Knights_Mom

For sure. Because it could be argued that if she were at a farm, and that farm knew she had sustained injuries, then if she should fall that farm could be sued for not taking ADDITIONAL precautions for her knowing she has physical deficits and history.

That farm should have HUGE policies and an ironclad , steel, concrete, plutonium hold harmless inherent risk waiver signed by her.

Yes.

Also, it seems like the standard business practice involve trainers setting up LLCs for their businesses, and farms operating as an LLC … well … Lollypop doesn’t consider that adequate coverage, and will indeed try and sue people personally should anything happen to her at a place where she boards, trains, or rents living spaces accommodations.

I hope everyone in the Loxahatchee/Wellington area should is currently (or contemplating) doing business with her takes note of this. Perhaps a way to mitigate the risk posed by a client like this is to charge them an appropriate risk premium that reflects the added expense of all the all the addition liability coverage people Lollypop does business with are expected to have.

To my mind she is just not worth the risk. I wouldn’t even let her on my property. Even if I were hosting a show lest she throw herself down a step so she could sue. Clearly she is one of those people who sues who she can, when she can.

It’s just not worth taking the chance on her, not for $5,000 a month or $50,000 a month. There is no price that makes it worth having her in the same time zone IMHO.

[eggbutt]

If @SierraMist is an attorney (I don’t know or care), it is interesting she is not defending the failure of the Kanareks to respond to perfectly legal, acceptable requests for evidence of the sort the Kanareks themselves bragged of having, but she is attacking Barisone supporters. She apparently naively believes LO is the sole, brave keeper of the faith and defender of all things Barisone. Simply because others don’t feel the need to scream from the barn rafters does not mean he doesn’t have plenty of support of all sorts at his back. Unlike poor Lauren, who most wouldn’t cross the street to assist after all her lies and bullsh!t.

[Maria]

Something is going on behind the scenes. Just my gut rumbling again. I could be wrong. Time will tell.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Completely understand where you are coming from.

But the reality is that many horse professionals who are superb athletes and trainers are not necessarily well versed in doing solid risk mitigation calculations, and pricing their services appropriately.

So… after all of @CurrentlyHorseless ‘s posts insisting MB should have had extra personal liability coverage, in addition to professional policies carried by MBD LLC and SGF LLC…

I thought I would spell it out for anyone reading this thread. Because this whole two levels of LLCs thing is such an incredibly common set up these days for trainers operating small businesses on farms that they either own or rent.

It seems quite clear that LK wants to reserve the right to sue the snot out of anyone who crosses her, and to take what they have. And CH supports that, and thinks people really should carry extra personal liability coverage to deal with this. And that’s fine. It’s a specific perspective. I just think that if this is the case, LK should have to pay higher rates than anyone else at the same facility does, given other clients do not pose the same lawsuit risks.

In the end, it shouldn’t really matter… because she has “unlimited means” - right? And we all know when it comes to equine professionals, many highly skilled people who are a little down on their luck financially, who need clients that can (and will) pay top dollar. Soooo… if they want to, they can do business was with her. They should simply charge her an appropriate premium rate that reflects all the risks involved.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Maria

Something is going on behind the scenes. Just my gut rumbling again. I could be wrong. Time will tell.

I wonder if the new attorneys reviewed the case and informed the Kanareks that their odds of obtaining a settlement are low, and the risks of MB succeeding with some of his countersuit arguments are substantial.

That’s my best guess. Someone dumped a bucket of ice water on their heads. And they don’t know how to handle that.

Soooo, what we now are seeing from the unofficial members of team Kanarek who haunt the COTH forums is a deliberate effort to freelance a bit, and engage in the same old same old intimidation, smearing and bullying tactics online… hoping this will influence LO and MB in some way. Because they hope if their official legal reps can find a way to delay everything for long enough, LO will abandon MB, people will stop donating to the GFM account, and MB will be left to rot at Greystone .

And maybe the whole civil case will die a quiet death, without JK ever having to respond to the subpoenas or LK ever sitting for a deposition.

That’s my best guess.

I hope MB and LO hang in there.

[Knights_Mom]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Completely understand where you are coming from.

But the reality is that many horse professionals who are superb athletes and trainers are not necessarily well versed in doing solid risk mitigation calculations, and pricing their services appropriately.

So… after all of @CurrentlyHorseless ‘s posts insisting MB should have had extra personal liability coverage, in addition to professional policies carried by MBD LLC and SGF LLC…

I thought I would spell it out for anyone reading this thread. Because this whole two levels of LLCs thing is such an incredibly common set up these days for trainers operating small businesses on farms that they either own or rent.

It seems quite clear that LK wants to reserve the right to sue the snot out of anyone who crosses her, and to take what they have. And CH supports that, and thinks people really should carry extra personal liability coverage to deal with this. And that’s fine. It’s a specific perspective. I just think that if this is the case, LK should have to pay higher rates than anyone else at the same facility does, given other clients do not pose the same lawsuit risks.

In the end, it shouldn’t really matter… because she has “unlimited means” - right? And we all know when it comes to equine professionals, many highly skilled people who are a little down on their luck financially, who need clients that can (and will) pay top dollar. Soooo… if they want to, they can do business was with her. They should simply charge her an appropriate premium rate that reflects all the risks involved.

I completely agree. And I cannot stress enough that someone who is sue happy like this shouldn’t be around your car, home, barn, horse, property. And forget about instructing someone like that.

[Joanne]

Inigo is in the house now.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Joanne

Inigo is in the house now.

I think we should officially welcome him with a song today. This one came to mind.

Kenny Rogers - The Gambler

[MHM]

@eggbutt

Are there episodes on sit, whinny, nicker, self bridling, etc?

This reminded me of the video that I can’t find right now, but I’ve seen in the past, of a horse that hitches itself to a little cart. If she has an episode about teaching a horse to do that, I would watch it. From a very safe distance.

[Dragonfly90]

You never know whether or not someone will sue you, no matter how good of a person or friend they are. If not them maybe a family member of the person that died/severely injured on your property, maybe even the insurance company that had a health or life insurance policy on the person that was injured or died on your property.
Doesn’t matter what you think a clients sue happy level is……be fully covered.

[Knights_Mom]

@Dragonfly90

You never know whether or not someone will sue you, no matter how good of a person or friend they are. If not them maybe a family member of the person that died/severely injured on your property, maybe even the insurance company that had a health or life insurance policy on the person that was injured or died on your property.
Doesn’t matter what you think a clients sue happy level is……be fully covered.

It’s even worse when that person goes around threatening everyone and their mother that they’re going to sue because they’re a jobless, grifting, lying mutt.