Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[BrownDerby]

Reminds me of Sarah Stetner. Her videos were awe-inspiring.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Well of course people should be fully covered.

That’s why people have professional insurance, and set up LLCs when doing business.

[Knights_Mom]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Well of course people should be fully covered.

That’s why people have professional insurance, and set up LLCs when doing business.

I get a feeling there’s an attempt to circumvent the LLC in order to sue personally because any award would be more personally destructive.

[Mondo]

@smoofox

And yes, I had to look up hybristophilia .

Me too and couldn’t find a definition. Do share!

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

BTW - welcome back to the active discussions @SierraMist and @Dragonfly90 . Longtime no see.

Wasn’t there another COTH personality who was a steadfast team K member we haven’t heard from in a while… something to do with jumping in the name? Maybe they will come online today to share their perspective as well

[Dragonfly90]

Then we agree. Guess I misunderstood your statement about charging a client for extra coverage based on how how sue crazy they are, since we agree should already be fully covered. Of course I would not want a client that goes around threatening to sue, but just pointing out that even the best clients/their families/insurance company can bring a lawsuit.

[Sdel]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

something to do with jumping in the name?

Banned.

[Dragonfly90]

Thanks for the warm welcome. I read along but try to not say anything that has already been said a million times, someone else already said better or just to be snarky.
This is sincere, not snarky.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Knights_Mom

I get a feeling there’s an attempt to circumvent the LLC in order to sue personally because any award would be more personally destructive

I think they seem to have tried to split the baby, so to speak. And named SGF for the potential of squeezing a settlement from them, as well as MB personally, because they wanted to be destructive… but they skipped MBD LLC, because they didn’t want the good old liability shield set-up to actually work.

I hope that makes sense to you. I suspect it does.

I think the fact that SGF and MBs attorneys appear to be digging in, and coordinating a counter offensive strategy is quite problematic for the Ks. And the Ks are now facing the potential of winning nothing, and owing a lot in terms of other parties legal fees.

And this brings me back to Kenny Rogers, and the melodic refrain from one of his most beloved hits

“ You got to know when to hold ‘em,
Know when to fold ‘em,
Know when to walk away,
And know when to run.
You never count your money
When you’re sittin’ at the table.
There’ll be time enough for countin’
When the dealing’s done.”

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

What a shame.

[Scribbler]

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@Maria

Something is going on behind the scenes. Just my gut rumbling again. I could be wrong. Time will tell.

I wonder if the new attorneys reviewed the case and informed the Kanareks that their odds of obtaining a settlement are low, and the risks of MB succeeding with some of his countersuit arguments are substantial.

That’s my best guess. Someone dumped a bucket of ice water on their heads. And they don’t know how to handle that.

Soooo, what we now are seeing from the unofficial members of team Kanarek who haunt the COTH forums is a deliberate effort to freelance a bit, and engage in the same old same old intimidation, smearing and bullying tactics online… hoping this will influence LO and MB in some way. Because they hope if their official legal reps can find a way to delay everything for long enough, LO will abandon MB, people will stop donating to the GFM account, and MB will be left to rot at Greystone .

And maybe the whole civil case will die a quiet death, without JK ever having to respond to the subpoenas or LK ever sitting for a deposition.

That’s my best guess.

I hope MB and LO hang in there.
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My guess is the Mr Blue chip #1 finally told her the case wasn’t winnable, and certainly not with the delays and deviousness. So she got shunted over to Mr Blue Chip #2. Who is likely saying similar. Recently saw that Trump and his lawyer were fined together for launching frivolous law suits. In other words there is a potential penalty for the lawyer of bsc clients. Lawyers can do a lot of delay and such, but if they are participating in their client doing things that make a mockery of law, there are potential risks.

As far as having no online presence. It’s amazing how often people don’t have any resume history online. I’m in a couple of career areas that had online presence early and are searchable. But lots of people aren’t.

If you were a private investor, there would be no public record. You could be buying and selling things via a brokerage, you could own a slice of Atlantic City via a private holding company (not that that is very profitable now) or whatever caught your fancy, and have no online presence at all. Remember how no one has ever figured out exactly how Epstein made money? I’m sure there are many market players on a much more modest scale who are invisible by choice, and who don’t need a Linked In profile or get posted willy nilly in staff directories, because they are nobody’s employee. If you are benefitting by any of the shady corners of the money world like insider trading or funding online gambling sites or whatever, invisibility is survival strategy.

[ekat]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

And the Ks are now facing the potential of winning nothing, and owing a lot in terms of other parties legal fees.

It would be crazy if, not only did LK lose on her claims, but the jury also awarded MB a judgment based on his, for not just his injuries but also that wiretapping claim.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Mondo

@smoofox

And yes, I had to look up hybristophilia .

Me too and couldn’t find a definition. Do share!

Hybristophilia is a sexual interest in and attraction to those who commit crimes,[1] a paraphilia in which sexual arousal, facilitation, and attainment of orgasm are responsive to and contingent upon being with a partner known to have committed a crime.

Hybristophilia

[Knights_Mom]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@Knights_Mom

I get a feeling there’s an attempt to circumvent the LLC in order to sue personally because any award would be more personally destructive

I think they seem to have tried to split the baby, so to speak. And named SGF for the potential of squeezing a settlement from them, as well as MB personally, because they wanted to be destructive… but they skipped MBD LLC, because they didn’t want the good old liability shield set-up to actually work.

I hope that makes sense to you. I suspect it does.

I think the fact that SGF and MBs attorneys appear to be digging in, and coordinating a counter offensive strategy is quite problematic for the Ks. And the Ks are now facing the potential of winning nothing, and owing a lot in terms of other parties legal fees.

And this brings me back to Kenny Rogers, and the melodic refrain from one of his most beloved hits

“ You got to know when to hold ‘em,
Know when to fold ‘em,
Know when to walk away,
And know when to run.
You never count your money
When you’re sittin’ at the table.
There’ll be time enough for countin’
When the dealing’s done.”

I get exactly what you’re saying. And I agree that the Ks might be worried. Or at least, they should be. And that’d because it will be a jury trial. And like the criminal trial, the jury will see.

[BrownDerby]

VHM that refrain brought tears to my eyes. A wise old horseman who coached me eons ago on starting baby dinosaurs would use those words to keep me humble and grounded.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ekat

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

And the Ks are now facing the potential of winning nothing, and owing a lot in terms of other parties legal fees.

It would be crazy if, not only did LK lose on her claims, but the jury also awarded MB a judgment based on his, for not just his injuries but also that wiretapping claim.

I haven’t even speculated yet on the potential for MB to prevail with any of his counterclaims and the wiretapping issues.

I’m just looking at whether or not she gets awarded anything. If she loses on all her claims… she owes him his attorney’s fees, since she was the one who originally brought the suit… correct?

I’m hearing Kenny Rogers singing in my head again as I type this… just saying.

[MHM]

@Knights_Mom

I get exactly what you’re saying. And I agree that the Ks might be worried. Or at least, they should be. And that’d because it will be a jury trial. And like the criminal trial, the jury will see.

Except the civil trial jury will get to see a lot more of the evidence. No wonder the Ks could be concerned.

[Jealoushe]

Homeowners/farm owners insurance actually does in fact come into play when someone shoots someone, however it depends the situation surrounding the shooting. Like whether it was accidental and the wordings of the policy.

But liability insurance paying legal fees and paying out on shootings is a thing.

[ekat]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I’m just looking at whether or not she gets awarded anything. If she loses on all her claims… she owes him his attorney’s fees, since she was the one who originally brought the suit… correct?

Generally speaking, each party is stuck with their own fees. NJ has some exceptions to this, that would make it up to the court to decide an award based on fees, and I have no idea whether or not any of that would apply here.

[Angela_Freda]

@SierraMist

My personal curiosity about MB’s insurance coverage is whether or not, as a professional, he even carried any insurance. He has shown, through the evidence at the criminal trial and some beginning to come out in this civil case, that he lacked in professional and business conduct. For instance, crude leases, verbal contracts, bartering. It’s possible he didn’t even bother to carry professional liability and the only insurance available is general liability through SGF.

And if he does have insurance coverage and the insurance company is allowing his criminal attorneys to represent him in the civil matter for which his insurance will pay the attorney fees, then why is MB having Lara Osborn beg for money for attorney fees? I think gofundme and other crowd sourcing to raise funds can be so helpful for many people in dire situations, but it’s a little offensive to me when someone who many people claim was a brilliant businessman worth millions of dollars is begging for money to fund his lifestyle and pay his attorney fees and costs for a legal matter that he is responsible for (or at least responsible for in part) - i.e. allowing crazy to occur over a period of weeks/months and then he ends up shooting LK. It would appear that MB wants other people to fork out their hard earned money rather than MB using his own funds or liquidating some assets to fund his legal woes.

I also feel a little sorry for LO as it’s possible she’s been manipulated to take care of MB and all his issues, take care of his farm in his absence, pay all his bills, etc. She even mentioned that she is paying for things out of her own funds. She sold her farm in order to move into MB’s farm and manage it while trying to keep her own business afloat. She didn’t have a prior personal relationship with MB. That only developed while he was in jail. So many gullible women have fallen for some guy in jail or prison and end up losing everything they have taking care of some other guy’s problems. It’s a psychological phenomenon featured in books, tv interviews and documentaries - why some women are attracted to men behind bars.

If MB has insurance, he should be grateful for the NGRI verdict as that is the only way any insurance coverage will pay in a settlement or verdict. Otherwise the insurance companies could flat out deny any coverage at all. Some insurance companies have tried to exclude coverage in NGRI cases, but case law has seen reversal on appeal. NGRI will allow insurance coverage but NGRI will not allow a disregard for liability to a victim as case law has shown in the past.